How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

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    Do describe the "work" that you believe is being done in order to move energy from the 41 degree object to the 50 degree object.

    In simple terms, this is the work being done to move energy from cool to warm in a refrigerator

    1. The compressor constricts the refrigerant vapor, raising its pressure, and pushes it into the coils on the outside of the refrigerator.

    2. When the hot gas in the coils meets the cooler air temperature of the kitchen, it becomes a liquid.

    3. Now in liquid form at high pressure, the refrigerant cools down as it flows into the coils inside the freezer and the fridge.

    4. The refrigerant absorbs the heat inside the fridge, cooling down the air.

    5. Last, the refrigerant evaporates to a gas, then flows back to the compressor, where the cycle starts all over.

    So do describe the work being done to move energy from your 41 degree object to a 50 degree object.
     
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    Do describe the "work" that you believe is being done in order to move energy from the 41 degree object to the 50 degree object.

    The work that warmed the 40C object up to 41C.

    Like the work done to heat a flashlight filament to 3000C allows those photons to travel towards the Sun's
    5500C surface.

    Unless that's not allowed under your physics regime?

    Like the work done to make the Sun's surface 5500C allows those photons to non-spnotaneously travel into the much hotter corona.
     
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    Humans can evolve to embrace climate change, global warming too
     
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    So you can't describe any such work...figures.

    And what sort of evidence do you have that photons from a flashlight ever reach the sun? It may come as a surprise to you..but simply imagining a thing doesn't make it so....evidence...it is all about evidence which is why I ask for it so often...you might take time to wonder why you guys never seem to be able to produce any.
     
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    So you can't describe any such work...figures.

    Energy can't move from cooler to hotter, unless work is done.
    The work done at the Sun's core (fusion) travels to the Sun's surface and then through the hotter corona.
    I did work (chemical battery) to get the 40C object up to 41C. Work which allows the 41C object to radiate toward the 50C object.

    Unless you're claiming I need to do work to make the cooler 40C object hotter than the 50C object?

    Is that your claim?

    And what sort of evidence do you have that photons from a flashlight ever reach the sun?

    I breathlessly await your proof that my flashlight photons are prohibited from hitting the Sun.
     
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    Actually, that isn't at all what science thinks...alfen waves have been pointed out to you before, but since that doesn't jibe with your beliefs, you tend to forget.

    Not sure what sort of work you are claiming, but OK...you did some work to get the temperarature up to 41C

    Describe the work that moved energy from a cooler object to a warmer object...

    Who needs to claim that...it is obvious through observation and measurement. Energy doesn't move spontaneously from cool to warm...if you want energy to move to a 50 degree object from an object that is 41 degrees, then you are going to need to raise the temperature..

    Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

    It is becoming clear that you don't really grasp the concept of work...what it is....what constitutes it....etc. You continue to think like a 5 year old.
     
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    alfen waves have been pointed out to you before

    Nobody cares about alfen waves. Just about cooler surface photons moving toward hotter corona.

    Not sure what sort of work you are claiming, but OK...you did some work to get the temperarature up to 41C

    The work in the Sun's core allows the cooler surface to non-spontaneously radiate through the hotter corona.
    The work to heat to 41C allows the cooler body to non-spontaneously radiate to the hotter body.
    The work done to heat the flashlight filament allows the photons from the flashlight to hitter the hotter surface of the sun.

    You have early onset dementia? You forget your old claims?

    Who needs to claim that...it is obvious through observation and measurement.


    Only to you. By yourself. All alone. Weird.

    Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.
    Yup. Flashlight has a battery. Makes the photons non-spontaneous, remember?​
    You continue to think like a 5 year old.
    A 5 year old thinking circles around you. Sad.​
    Maybe you should email Dr. Raeder, ask him about flashlight photons being prohibited from hitting the sun?​
    He could probably use another laugh.​
     
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    you think he wouldn't believe in the 2nd Law? hmmmm you know him?
     
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    and the 2nd Law is still the 2nd Law. you provide the law that contradicts that, we'll read it. Until then, you can blabber about all you want on here, you still haven't refuted the 2nd Law.


    What Causes the Sun to Give off Heat?
     
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    I think Dr. Raeder actually understands the 2nd Law, unlike your buddy.

    You should email him.
     

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