Discussion in 'Economy' started by Avatar4321, Jun 28, 2010.
I guess part of that is how do we define poverty. Id like to see the ideas people come up with.
There will always be those who choose to be without wealth and those unwilling to work cooperatively or competitively to acquire and create wealth.
Eat the bankers
Work ethics and self reliance have to be taught in the home as well as in schools.
Defining poverty ain't easy to do, Avatar. I am a HGTV slut and have a fascination with "House Hunters International". It is beyond shocking to me to see the teeny-weeny apartments in Japan and elsewhere that are considered desirable, presumably by upper middle class folks.
It isn't that I think the Japanese are wrong to "accept" such small living quarters; its the contrast to American standards. This same network has dozens of shows in which the "suitable" bathroom is as big as a bowling alley and full of acroutrements such as tvs, waterfalls and fireplaces.
When I was a kid, air conditioning was very uncommon. I think I probably only experienced it in movie theaters. Now I can't face a summer without it, and I fret over my older neighbors who don't have it. We "need" stuff we never did before, and we see those who don't have these things as poor...but is that true?
It's so easy to say poverty begins where hunger starts....but is the abandoned wife with three kids in a million dollar house but no food actually "poor"? We can use the federal guidelines, but as of 2010, for a family of four that figure is $22,050. I know people in exactly that situation and I wouldn't call them "poor". You can't be middle class one month and "poor" the next.
It seems to me that poverty has to have a hopelessness to it. Not just $22,050 this year, but last year and no hope of doing better next year. Not just insecure about housing, but also about food.
Whatever it might actually be, "poverty" ain't about a lack of air conditioners -- or big bathrooms.
Easy. Just change the numbers.
And I'm with you Madeline. It's difficult to say what "poor" looks like. Every year I argue with my colleagues who insist that the dept. buy notebooks, calculators, and other school supplies for the students. They not only want to provide them to the "poor" kids; they want to provide them for all - so the "poor kids" aren't recognized. It costs thousands of dollars.
My argument is 99% of these kids have cell phones. A calculator costs 10 bucks; a notebook is a dollar. Sorry. The taxpayers should not have to pick up the cost of this so the student can spend class time texting their friends.
There is only one way to get rid of poverty:
Get rid of people.
That isn't a joke. As long as there are people on this planet, there will be poverty.
The root cause of entrenched poverty is a lack on money in the first place.
Now before you start telling me to get serious consider the fact that:
IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY in a society based on the system we call CAPITALISM.
Note that we do not call our system WORKISM, or PRODUCTIVISM, or LABORISM?
That's kinda a CLUE about what bullshit walks and what bullshit talks in this society, is it not?
Of course, there will always be the cases of the po' boy who through luck and pluck made it big, but those are the exceptions to the normal human condition, not the rule.
Remember, if we could ALL be Bill Gates or Warren Buffet there would be no Bill Gates or Warren Buffets.
and remember they were taught good habits, working hard, getting an education etc....they are self made men who started out with nothing but an idea.
Absolutely no doubt, PP. And they deserve their great wealth without doubt.
But as to those bromides you offer?
Tens of millions of people follow that regiment you proscribe who are NOT wealthy, nor will they ever be wealthy.
When it comes to making great wealth in this nation?
Many are called to great wealth, but few are chosen.
Good work habits, working hard, and getting an education is sound policy under every circumstance.
But those good habits do NOT NECESSARILY lead to great wealth, and all to often, they don't even lead the poor out of poverty.
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