How do people survive on minimum wage?

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    Just talked to my neighbor and thought about this thread. He was laid off from a 60K job about a year ago and now is working for a little over the MW at $8.50 an hour with no benefits. He is 58 years old.
    SO WHAT DOES HE DO?
    He went to every HVAC and plumbing company within a 20 mile radius looking for weekend work.
    And guess what happened after about 30 visits to different companies?
    He was just hired to work Saturdays from 8-6, 10 hours, at $12.50 an hour crawling under houses, doing the dirty work and manual labor with a shovel, etc.
    And get this!!! They are willing to train him to do the other work and state that within 12-18 months he will be able to make $20 an hour.
    No cry babies.
     
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    I have a friend that's been in construction for more than 30 years. He can't get a job. They say he's too old, that if he were younger they'd higher him. He's 55. He doesn't have enough to retire and he can't get a job. Worse, they're are paying less for construction workers now than they were when he got hired right after high school and I'm not talking about "adjusting for inflation". They were paying 15-30 bucks and hour in the mid 70's and now they're paying 10-15 bucks and hour.
     
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    I don't care how big of a font you put this in, I don't believe it. The first thing Reagan did to reduce the increase in the cost of living was take housing out of the figures. Then he changed the food they'd always used to determine cost of living. They also changed the questions on the unemployment survey, anything to make things "look" better. That's why our unemployment seems so much lower today than it REALLY is....
     
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    "does not have enough to retire" is bad planning on his part.
    They were not paying 15-30 bucks in the 70s. I was around then and they were not.
    Your friend must have no skills. Man laying tile right now in my house gets $300 a day for his labor.
    No skills = low pay. Something about personal responsibility.
     
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    He has plenty of skills. He painted my house last summer and did a damn good job. I got a deal at $100 a day for labor and the cost of the paint. My sister paid a whole lot more to get her house painted and then when she found out who'd painted mine she wished she'd hired him too. He's not bonded, but he's darn good, and he's a friend for life. How many of those do you ever get?

    Oh, and it's easy to plan for retirement when you make a lot of money, not so easy when you live paycheck to paycheck.
     
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    So YOU FUCKED HIM and do not have any clue that YOU, THE MARKET SET THE PRICE!
    How come you did not pay him what you believe he is worth?
    Take a look in the mirror. YOU decided to pay what YOU thought he was worth.
    And you want government to tell YOU what to do.
    Damn girl, wake the hell up. YOU are the market and set the price at what YOU wanted to pay. NO ONE forced you not to pay him the $30 an hour YOU want OTHER people to pay.
    Typical liberal. "Do as I say, not as I do."
    You need to practice what you preach.
     
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    Why did they do this and what program was she under? Do they do that for all cancer patients? Or just second time cancer patients? Or just your sister.

    Were you really REALLY pissed at her for accepting all that money. Or did she need it?

    Just curious.
     
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    Please, he worked for us under the table. I couldn't afford a professional and he needed the work, it was a win win. We could have painted ourselves, but I wanted him to have some money and so I gave him a job, only you would turn it into me taking advantage of him. BTW, $100 a day is MORE than minimum wage.
     
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    You seem to think he is living the dream, as they say. I say it is amazing what the threat of losing everything you ever worked for will make you do.

    I am about the same age, work construction and would hate to HAVE to be doing what a 20 year old should do.

    And of course, your neighbor has no health insurance and has to hope that, IF injured on the job that the company has workers comp.

    Don't get me wrong. I think that survival is more important than chasing a dream, but I ain't gonna celebrate it. And I wouldn't tell anyone that after 58 years I had to work for minimum wage.

    It says a lot about us as a society that we have people that worked all their lives trying to do the right thing for themselves and theirs and now find that working for survival wages is what they have come to.

    But by the Grace of God and all that stuff. It is what it is.
     
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    On the other hand. HVAC is a good profession and he can probably work till he is 70 - 75.
    Good for your neighbor.
     

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