How do catholics justify all the pedophilia the church overlooked?

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Originally posted by OCA
What! Listen pedophile or not once you decide, want and commit the act of sticking your schlong in a male's ass you are queer, whether it happens once or a thousand times, whether it was a 5 year old boy or a 50 year old man. This notion that he's not homosexual because of the age of the victim is ludicrous. Ever heard of NAMBLA? Check them out, they will openly tell ya that alot of homos support underage rape, maybe not to the extreme of 5 but certainly teenagers.

This notion of availability of victim is insane, intellectually bankrupt. These homo freaks search out little boys much the same way a hetero freak seeks out little girls because that is what turns em on. You think they are just looking for any hole and that simply isn't true.

I think availability has something to do with it. There are those who molest both. I think you can put these sickos in many different catagories, but the overall point is that it's sick and demented. Each and every priestcaught should have been charged & people should have been told. Gay, straight, bi-sexual, who gives a shit, having sex with innocent children is FUCKEN SICK. I don't know what makes these perverts tick, nor do I care about their sexual prefereces - they need to be stopped.
 
You are all misreading me. I am not pinning the sexuality on the victim. I am saying that a child has no sexuality. I am not making excuses for wrong-doing, and you are really misreading me if you think that at all. I am saying that the perpetrator of pedophilia is attracted to the youth of the victim, not to sexuality, and therefore I don't see a man who wants to have sex with little boys as a homosexual and a man who wants to have sex with little girls as a heterosexual. Heterosexuals want to have sex with adults. Homosexuals, and this may be the area of disagreement, also want to have sex with adults, according to my definition. Pedophiles want to have sex with children. That is rape, and differs from heterosexual or homosexual activity. This is the distinction I am drawing. You may disagree with my definitions, but don't think to slander me or impugn my motives. I am saying that these priests were RAPISTS. I hate when people twist other peoples' words because they DISAGREE.
 
Originally posted by walwor
You are all misreading me. I am not pinning the sexuality on the victim. I am saying that a child has no sexuality. I am not making excuses for wrong-doing, and you are really misreading me if you think that at all. I am saying that the perpetrator of pedophilia is attracted to the youth of the victim, not to sexuality, and therefore I don't see a man who wants to have sex with little boys as a homosexual and a man who wants to have sex with little girls as a heterosexual. Heterosexuals want to have sex with adults. Homosexuals, and this may be the area of disagreement, also want to have sex with adults, according to my definition. Pedophiles want to have sex with children. That is rape, and differs from heterosexual or homosexual activity. This is the distinction I am drawing. You may disagree with my definitions, but don't think to slander me or impugn my motives. I am saying that these priests were RAPISTS. I hate when people twist other peoples' words because they DISAGREE.

What you are describing, though, cannot be construed as equal terms.

Pedophilia and homosexual and heterosexual are NOT EQUAL.

Categorically, Pedophilia is higher level than the homo and hetero sexual preferences.

THAT is the issue. You appear to put all 3 on the same level and they are not.

As such, 2 of the 3 choices are STILL wrong.
 
What you are describing, though, cannot be construed as equal terms.

Pedophilia and homosexual and heterosexual are NOT EQUAL.

Categorically, Pedophilia is higher level than the homo and hetero sexual preferences.

THAT is the issue. You appear to put all 3 on the same level and they are not.

As such, 2 of the 3 choices are STILL wrong.

No, by saying that you are laying moral equivalence to homosexuality and pedophilia. They are not the same. Two adults who want to put their "shlongs" in each other are not as morally base as anyone who molests a child. Look, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, yes it does. But Jesus says if I look at a woman with lust then I have committed the sin of adultery. I can't stand up to that kind of scrutiny, so I am forgiving of sin. But pedophilia is a crime, it's a rape, it's different than homosexual activity between adults.
 
Originally posted by walwor
No, by saying that you are laying moral equivalence to homosexuality and pedophilia.

Correct. The same as murder or theft, Biblically.

They ARE still different levels of behavioral choice.

They are not the same. Two adults who want to put their "shlongs" in each other are not as morally base as anyone who molests a child.

Agreed. That is what I said. 2 levels of choices. Once the choice is made as to age, then gender or vice versa.

These are not equal decisions.

Look, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, yes it does. But Jesus says if I look at a woman with lust then I have committed the sin of adultery. I can't stand up to that kind of scrutiny, so I am forgiving of sin. But pedophilia is a crime, it's a rape, it's different than homosexual activity between adults.

I said that.

Not just a crime, but:
Luke chapter 17

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
 
I am saying that the perpetrator of pedophilia is attracted to the youth of the victim, not to sexuality, and therefore I don't see a man who wants to have sex with little boys as a homosexual and a man who wants to have sex with little girls as a heterosexual.

...you make this claim based on what? Priests, and other men, who want to have sex with little boys and do so committ homosexual acts - by their acts they are showing their sexual 'preference'. They are gay. Gay is as Gay does. A man who has one sexual encounter w/ another man is homosexual until he stops. When he realizes how destructive the lifestyle is, and focuses his efforts on women he's 'not' gay anymore.

Gays have sex because they like the sex - not because they are 'drawn to youth'.

It's like saying "Rape isn't about the SEX, it's about the CONTROL." - that's a bullshit, blanket statement. Adult OR Child-rape is often about the thrill of sex; nothing more.
 
Not just a crime, but:
Luke chapter 17

1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Amen. We agree on that. The other thing is becoming hair-splitting. Christians shouldn't engage in divisive debate.
 
It's like saying "Rape isn't about the SEX, it's about the CONTROL." - that's a bullshit, blanket statement. Adult OR Child-rape is often about the thrill of sex; nothing more.

Rape is about the thrill of sex, nothing more? Come on, stop and consider the import of that. Rape is an act of violence, and of course it's about more than sex. How is child-rape about the thrill of sex? It's about violation of trust, misuse of authority, it's shameful, it requires the collusion of the child to keep it hidden, it's an abomination. I'm getting off this topic, it sickens me, but the final thing I want to say is that it is wrong to use these crimes as a means to target homosexuals or as an excuse for gay-bashing. If you want to parse out definitions to say that someone who preys on young boys is homosexual, then fine, but turning it around and saying that all or most or even a significant percentage of homosexuals prey on young boys is just flat out wrong and needs to be seen as such.
 
Originally posted by walwor

You are all misreading me. I am not pinning the sexuality on the victim. I am saying that a child has no sexuality.

Actually foetus have sexuality even in utero. Live images inside the uterus with a growing fetus has demonstrated that these unborn masterbating. It must feel good to them.

Also as a doctor, I am aware of children as young as six years who act, look, think like, dress like, have their hair cut and consider themselves of the opposite sex. I made the mistake once of telling a young father that his little boy really looked handsome. He corrected me by telling me that this was his daughter. (SIX YEARS OLD) obviously homosexual.

I am not making excuses for wrong-doing, and you are really misreading me if you think that at all. I am saying that the perpetrator of pedophilia is attracted to the youth of the victim, not to sexuality, and therefore I don't see a man who wants to have sex with little boys as a homosexual and a man who wants to have sex with little girls as a heterosexual. Heterosexuals want to have sex with adults. Homosexuals, and this may be the area of disagreement, also want to have sex with adults, according to my definition. Pedophiles want to have sex with children. That is rape, and differs from heterosexual or homosexual activity. This is the distinction I am drawing. You may disagree with my definitions, but don't think to slander me or impugn my motives. I am saying that these priests were RAPISTS. I hate when people twist other peoples' words because they DISAGREE.

This is a societal observaton and occurance. During the time of the Roman empire, married men with a wife and family also had little boys living in their homes and were used for sex. It was considered normal for their time and day.

Our current society finds this activity an abomination and sick but this is the 21st century. This activity remains viable in many of the third world countries today and is excepted.

Take a look at the Islamic Qur'an verses as translated by the Muslims themselves:

The Mount
52:23 They shall there exchange, one with another, a (loving) cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of SIN.

The Mount
52:24 Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Boys (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded.

The Mount
52:25 They will advance to each other, engaging in mutual enquiry.

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Time, Man, (every) Man, This (day-and-)age
76:19 And round about them will (serve) BOYS of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.


Time, Man, (every) Man, This (day-and-)age
76:20 And when thou lookest, it is there thou wilt see a Bliss and a Realm Magnificent.
 
Originally posted by walwor
Rape is about the thrill of sex, nothing more? Come on, stop and consider the import of that. Rape is an act of violence, and of course it's about more than sex.

Ask Kobe if it was about 'an act of violence'. If he was strokin' it to that chick, and under her breath she moaned or uttered 'nooooo' and he pumped ONCE more, it's 'rape'. That is NOT about control - that is about a woman changing her mind during and 'not' telling the guy. Rape isn't ALWAYS about 'violence'; Read what I wrote.

Originally posted by walwor
How is child-rape about the thrill of sex? It's about violation of trust, misuse of authority, it's shameful, it requires the collusion of the child to keep it hidden, it's an abomination.

It's about 'thrill' in the same way some people get-off on looking at kiddy porn.

Originally posted by walwor
I'm getting off this topic, it sickens me, but the final thing I want to say is that it is wrong to use these crimes as a means to target homosexuals or as an excuse for gay-bashing.

Not about gay bashing - it's used as ONE example of destructive lifestyles homosexuals would like to shove down the throat of society - pardon the pun. It's valid in so much as the priests who are committing the homosexual acts aren't being claimed by their 'side'.


Originally posted by walwor
. . . saying that all or most or even a significant percentage of homosexuals prey on young boys is just flat out wrong and needs to be seen as such.

I don't see anyone saying that - I see people saying Gay priests prey on young boys.
 
In the case of Cobe the basketball player accused of the rape of a young woman.

1) She met him in a bar and voluntarily went to his room late at night.

2) Cobe violated the rules by having sex with a non-payed hooker as the managers bring these highly paid athlestes all the women they want.

3) The alleged victim is said to have had sex with several men before and after her encounter with Coby as evidence by the multiple DNA sperm found in her rape examination.

I think she simply said, "enny, meany, miney, moe, your the one with all the dough." HE RAPED ME!!!!!
 
Originally posted by ajwps
In the case of Kobe the basketball player accused of the rape of a young woman.

1) She met him in a bar and voluntarily went to his room late at night.

2) Cobe violated the rules by having sex with a non-payed hooker as the managers bring these highly paid athlestes all the women they want.

3) The alleged victim is said to have had sex with several men before and after her encounter with Coby as evidence by the multiple DNA sperm found in her rape examination.

I think she simply said, "enny, meany, miney, moe, your the one with all the dough." HE RAPED ME!!!!!

That is likely a viable scenario. Nonetheless, he could be convicted of Rape - which would have been an act NOT about violence, but about getting a piece of tail.
 
Originally posted by ajwps
Actually foetus have sexuality even in utero. Live images inside the uterus with a growing fetus has demonstrated that these unborn masterbating. It must feel good to them.

Prove it.

Also as a doctor, I am aware of children as young as six years who act, look, think like, dress like, have their hair cut and consider themselves of the opposite sex. I made the mistake once of telling a young father that his little boy really looked handsome. He corrected me by telling me that this was his daughter. (SIX YEARS OLD) obviously homosexual.

No, this is conditioning. As a doctor, the way you jump to conclusions, I am glad you don't treat anyone I know.

This is a societal observaton and occurance. During the time of the Roman empire, married men with a wife and family also had little boys living in their homes and were used for sex. It was considered normal for their time and day.

Our current society finds this activity an abomination and sick but this is the 21st century. This activity remains viable in many of the third world countries today and is excepted.

Oh. It must be ok then.
Pull your head out.
 
Originally posted by walwor
Rape is about the thrill of sex, nothing more? Come on, stop and consider the import of that. Rape is an act of violence, and of course it's about more than sex. How is child-rape about the thrill of sex? It's about violation of trust, misuse of authority, it's shameful, it requires the collusion of the child to keep it hidden, it's an abomination. I'm getting off this topic, it sickens me, but the final thing I want to say is that it is wrong to use these crimes as a means to target homosexuals or as an excuse for gay-bashing. If you want to parse out definitions to say that someone who preys on young boys is homosexual, then fine, but turning it around and saying that all or most or even a significant percentage of homosexuals prey on young boys is just flat out wrong and needs to be seen as such.

NAMBLA, look it up.
 
Originally posted by -=d=-

That is likely a viable scenario. Nonetheless, he could be convicted of Rape - which would have been an act NOT about violence, but about getting a piece of tail.

Rape is a state of mind usually in the female of the species.

Cash is the reward of being raped by a rich athlete.

Coby is just another wonder athlete who thinks off the court with his little head.
 
Originally posted by NewGuy


Prove it.

You will just have to trust me on that one or look at your cable Discovery channel where you can see this event happen with your own eyes.

No, this is conditioning. As a doctor, the way you jump to conclusions, I am glad you don't treat anyone I know.

Actually it is a very sad thing for the parents to have to acknowledge something that will adversly effect their lives.

Oh. It must be ok then.
Pull your head out.



Okay Bill Clinton... What is the meaning of 'is.' NewGuy are you alone in this galaxy?
 
NAMBLA, look it up.

Okay, I did. I found the following link, which is a remarkable story of a woman who pursued these criminals in court.

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/reachme/NAMBLA.html

This woman, Dorothea Acosta, is an activist on this issue, not a spouter-offer on message boards (I include myself in that group). Activists tend to know their subject really well. She makes one statement toward the end that, frankly, surprised me, because she makes the exact same distinction I did:

"NAMBLA members try and pass themselves off as gay, they are not, they are pedophiles."
 
Originally posted by walwor
I'll ask again- if a man has sex with a little girl, is he therefore a heterosexual? That implies some form of sexuality on the part of the girl, which she is too young to have. Pedophiles are attracted to the youth of their victims, not to sexual characteristics. If they show a preference for boys, I would say it's due to availability- he can gain a boy's trust easier, it's more likely a boy won't talk because he'd be ashamed, it's less believable if he does talk, etc. I don't know all this for sure, but I can't see labelling someone who commits shameful acts on children as having a sexual orientation- it's a whole different arena. And the subsequent digression in this thread into whether homosexuals are born that way or not sidesteps the real issue- these were children. I'm not aware of a scandal involving priests soliciting adult males for sex.

If a MAN has sex with a boy or girl then what he is, is SICK. FUCKING SICK. END OF GODDAMNED STORY.
 
Originally posted by ajwps
Also as a doctor, I am aware of children as young as six years who act, look, think like, dress like, have their hair cut and consider themselves of the opposite sex. I made the mistake once of telling a young father that his little boy really looked handsome. He corrected me by telling me that this was his daughter. (SIX YEARS OLD) obviously homosexual.




You're really a doctor?

Maybe the girl you mentioned screamed bloody murder if someone came near her with a brush, which resulted in a short hair cut? My daughter is a very talented climber and soccer player, her favorite shirt has a picture of the "Hulk" on it - it's all so clear now, my daughter is gay "sniff, sniff" My red neck ex is going to be very pissed when I he finds out.

:rotflmao:
 
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