How Did Pterosaurs Fly? They Were Too Big And Too Heavy.

james bond

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It's popular science to claim birds are dinosaurs, but it has nothing to do with this creature.

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These are giant flying reptiles. How did these giant reptiles ever get off the ground? Also, there are claims people have seen them, so questions remain if they are extinct.

"The 'dinosaur' popularly known as a pterodactyl is actually called a reptile called a pterosaur, which is Greek for flying lizard.

It existed alongside the dinosaurs between 251 and 65 million years ago, and were thought to be the biggest creatures to ever take to the air.

The fossilised remains of one example had a wing span of more than 15 metres.

But Katsufumi Sato, a Japanese scientist, who collected data from five large birds including the world's biggest, the wandering albatross, has calculated that it was physically impossible for them to stay aloft.

The University of Tokyo professor claims that the largest animal capable of soaring across the sky unaided could have weighed no more than 40kg (88lbs) or the size of a labrador dog.

Prof Soto, who reported his findings in New Scientist magazine, travelled to the Crozet Islands - halfway between Madagascar and Antarctica - and attached accelerometers, devices the size of AA batteries which measure thrust, to the wings of 28 birds from the five species including the albatross which is a soarer like the pterosaurs were thought to be.

Unlike turkeys or bustards, whose short wings are good for quick take-off but not for soaring, these larger birds fly long distances using dynamic soaring - they ride changing wind currents without moving their wings.

But when the wind dies down, or blows at a constant speed, they have to flap or be pulled down by air resistance and gravity.

The maximum speed a bird can flap is limited by its muscle strength and decreases for heavier species with longer wings.

Prof Sato says animals heavier than 40kg would not be able to flap fast enough to stay aloft. This would explain why the wandering albatross weighs only 22 kg (46lbs).

A bird weighing too close to 40kg would be incredible unstable and "would not have a safety margin to fly in bad weather", he added."

Pterodactyls were too heavy to fly, scientist claims

Pop science article
Pterodactyl, Pteranodon & Other Flying 'Dinosaurs'
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.

We have fossils of them existing. The question is how they could fly? It's a question that has stumped scientists for years.
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.
So where did they get the skeletons from?


Missed the "not like popular theory suggests"?
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.

We have fossils of them existing. The question is how they could fly? It's a question that has stumped scientists for years.

Indeed but a fossil is hardly a complete representation of a living creature.
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.
So where did they get the skeletons from?


Missed the "not like popular theory suggests"?
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.

We have fossils of them existing. The question is how they could fly? It's a question that has stumped scientists for years.

Indeed but a fossil is hardly a complete representation of a living creature.
Why imagine when you actually look and see for yourself?

pterodactyl_fossil_by_azurequest-d64egby.jpg
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.
So where did they get the skeletons from?


Missed the "not like popular theory suggests"?
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.

We have fossils of them existing. The question is how they could fly? It's a question that has stumped scientists for years.

Indeed but a fossil is hardly a complete representation of a living creature.
Why imagine when you actually look and see for yourself?

pterodactyl_fossil_by_azurequest-d64egby.jpg
Fake, like everything you post.
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.
So where did they get the skeletons from?


Missed the "not like popular theory suggests"?
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.

We have fossils of them existing. The question is how they could fly? It's a question that has stumped scientists for years.

Indeed but a fossil is hardly a complete representation of a living creature.
Why imagine when you actually look and see for yourself?

pterodactyl_fossil_by_azurequest-d64egby.jpg
Fake, like everything you post.
I forgot you were a Drumpf rube that doesnt believe in science.
 
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.
So where did they get the skeletons from?


Missed the "not like popular theory suggests"?
They probably didn't exist. At least not like popular theory suggests.

We have fossils of them existing. The question is how they could fly? It's a question that has stumped scientists for years.

Indeed but a fossil is hardly a complete representation of a living creature.
Why imagine when you actually look and see for yourself?

pterodactyl_fossil_by_azurequest-d64egby.jpg
Fake, like everything you post.
I forgot you were a Drumpf rube that doesnt believe in science.
I haven't forgot that you are a lying racist.
 
Maybe they were gliders.

What was the point of walking high into the mountains then? Gliding?

They seem to be built for flight and there is evidence of them flying long distances.

"How Did Pterosaurs Fly?
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Visit the exhibition to experiment with principles of pterosaur aerodynamics in an interactive virtual tunnel.

© AMNH/D. Finnin


Flight allowed pterosaurs to travel long distances, exploit new habitats, escape predators, and swoop down from above to seize their prey. They spread across the world and branched out into an enormous array of species, including the largest animals ever to take wing."

Yet, other scientists believe they were too big to fly due to physics. I think it's been agreed that they were the largest animals to fly.

Pterosaurs should have been too big to fly – so how did they manage it?
 
So according to Creationcysts like James Bond.. "god" Must have created a creature with Giant Wings that couldn't fly.. and would also then be unwieldly and and undefendable on the ground.
RIGHT JAMES?
Yet they lived for 100 million years!
Hmm


I guess they indeed flew.
Does JB look for an explanation for his 2008 article?
No.
He's a Blind believer, and and just wants to throw science in doubt.
Me?
I look and learn.
Creationists, though, are Willfully Stupid.

Pterosaur - Wikipedia

Flight
The mechanics of pterosaur flight are not completely understood or modeled at this time.[41][42]

Katsufumi Sato, a Japanese scientist, did calculations using modern birds and concluded that it was impossible for a pterosaur to stay aloft.[41] In the book Posture, Locomotion, and Paleoecology of Pterosaurs it is theorized that they were able to fly due to the oxygen-rich, dense atmosphere of the Late Cretaceous period.[43] However, both Sato and the authors of Posture, Locomotion, and Paleoecology of Pterosaurs based their research on the now outdated theories of pterosaurs being seabird-like, and the size limit does not apply to terrestrial pterosaurs, such as azhdarchids and tapejarids. Furthermore, Darren Naish concluded that atmospheric differences between the present and the Mesozoic were not needed for the giant size of pterosaurs.[44]

Another issue that has been difficult to understand is how they took off. Earlier suggestions were that pterosaurs were largely cold-blooded gliding animals, deriving warmth from the environment like modern lizards, rather than burning calories. In this case, it was unclear how the larger ones of enormous size, with an inefficient cold-blooded metabolism, could manage a bird-like takeoff strategy, using only the hind limbs to generate thrust for getting airborne.

Later research shows them instead as being warm-blooded and having powerful flight muscles, and using the flight muscles for walking as quadrupeds.[45] Mark Witton of the University of Portsmouth and Mike Habib of Johns Hopkins Universitysuggested that pterosaurs used a vaulting mechanism to obtain flight.[46]
The tremendous power of their winged forelimbs would enable them to take off with ease.[45] Once aloft, pterosaurs could reach speeds of up to 120 kilometres per hour (75 mph) and travel thousands of kilometres.[46]

In 1985, the Smithsonian Institution commissioned aeronautical engineer Paul MacCready to build a half-scale working model of Quetzalcoatlus northropi. The replica was launched with a ground-based winch. It flew several times in 1986 and was filmed as part of the Smithsonian's IMAX film On the Wing. However, the model was not anatomically correct and embodied vertical and horizontal tail stabilizers that pterosaurs did not have. It also had a longer tail, changing the weight distribution.".."​
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So according to Creationcysts like James Bond.. "god" Must have created a creature with Giant Wings that couldn't fly.. and would also then be unwieldly and and undefendable on the ground.
RIGHT JAMES?
Yet they lived for 100 million years!
Hmm


I guess they indeed flew.
Does JB look for an explanation for his 2008 article?
No.
He's a Blind believer, and and just wants to throw science in doubt.
Me?
I look and learn.
Creationists, though, are Willfully Stupid.

This is S&T forum. Not religion and Christian. I can only surmise you must be worried greatly about ending up spiritually dead and facing Jesus and the lake of fire.

Pterosaur - Wikipedia

Flight
The mechanics of pterosaur flight are not completely understood or modeled at this time.[41][42]

Katsufumi Sato, a Japanese scientist, did calculations using modern birds and concluded that it was impossible for a pterosaur to stay aloft.[41] In the book Posture, Locomotion, and Paleoecology of Pterosaurs it is theorized that they were able to fly due to the oxygen-rich, dense atmosphere of the Late Cretaceous period.[43] However, both Sato and the authors of Posture, Locomotion, and Paleoecology of Pterosaurs based their research on the now outdated theories of pterosaurs being seabird-like, and the size limit does not apply to terrestrial pterosaurs, such as azhdarchids and tapejarids. Furthermore, Darren Naish concluded that atmospheric differences between the present and the Mesozoic were not needed for the giant size of pterosaurs.[44]

Another issue that has been difficult to understand is how they took off. Earlier suggestions were that pterosaurs were largely cold-blooded gliding animals, deriving warmth from the environment like modern lizards, rather than burning calories. In this case, it was unclear how the larger ones of enormous size, with an inefficient cold-blooded metabolism, could manage a bird-like takeoff strategy, using only the hind limbs to generate thrust for getting airborne.

Later research shows them instead as being warm-blooded and having powerful flight muscles, and using the flight muscles for walking as quadrupeds.[45] Mark Witton of the University of Portsmouth and Mike Habib of Johns Hopkins Universitysuggested that pterosaurs used a vaulting mechanism to obtain flight.[46]
The tremendous power of their winged forelimbs would enable them to take off with ease.[45] Once aloft, pterosaurs could reach speeds of up to 120 kilometres per hour (75 mph) and travel thousands of kilometres.[46]

In 1985, the Smithsonian Institution commissioned aeronautical engineer Paul MacCready to build a half-scale working model of Quetzalcoatlus northropi. The replica was launched with a ground-based winch. It flew several times in 1986 and was filmed as part of the Smithsonian's IMAX film On the Wing. However, the model was not anatomically correct and embodied vertical and horizontal tail stabilizers that pterosaurs did not have. It also had a longer tail, changing the weight distribution.".."​
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Part of this article verifies what I have said that it was impossible for them to fly. It adds that it would have been difficult for them to take off. Thus, the question still remains how did they take off?

Instead of stupidly rambling against Christians and ad hominen attacks, yours truly gets his understanding by investingating what Mike Habib and Mark Witton, the experts on this, said.

Habib said he works with the idea of fossils and looks at anatomy and taking an animal alive today and working backwards. With fossils, once the anatomy is set, then he goes to physics. From both, he builds a model. One is similar to a bat. The other is similar to a bird. Both models will fly based on the laws of physics because it will apply to all. Then he uses computer simulation to see how his pterosaur model will fly.

It's not based on some stupid idea that the laws of physics won't apply in another universe such as atheist scientists' multiverse hypothesis ha ha.

OTOH, Witten thinks the largest pterosaur was able to take off via taking off from a horizontal position on its fours. This is how the bat takes off as it, too, is a creature that walks on fours. The other point is the wings aren't just skin, but fibrous muscle.

The final more controversial part is that gravity was less in early times such as before Noah's flood. This is based on creation science theory. There you go.

Thus, the atheist abu has failed in actually explaining and it's due to his stupidity.
 
The key is the size of their wings. When they would spread their wings, they could likely become airborne without even flapping them.
 
The difference between science and religion is that science doesn't rely upon the conclusions of a single study, or a single source as the sole truth.

Reading the summary of this study- clearly this scientist has done the work and come to his conclusions. Other scientists so far have come to other conclusions. I don't know that there will ever be a definitive answer since we don't find fossils flying in the air.

But what all of those scientists agree is that these creatures lived millions of years ago.
 

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