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see, you say it is ''the corruption that passes for gvt. these days'', implying this is something NEW with this congress, and this is where we differ.....it is not something new, it is not worse than ever, and it certainly is NOT WORSE than the republicans when they held the gavel....
But..... what about those of us who say 'just because it's always been done this way does not make it right, nor acceptable', what about those (like me!) who say that we've had decade after decade of dishonesty and corruption and we would like to stop that. I think the few intelligent lefties and the few intelligent righties might actually agree on one thing.... That we actually want 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People'. Just because we've had decades of lies doesn't make lies ok, it makes us suckers for tolerating it.
What say you, Care? Art15?
I say until both sides come together and put a stop to it then unfortunately this is what it has comes to and the harsh reality is this is how you have to run things if you want to get something done in DC.
The problem is that the the political climate is so bad that neither side can lay down their arms because the other will take it as a sign of weakness and steamroll over them.
Voting out incumbents and putting "the other" party isn't working.
We need a new party.
Form a party that runs on a fiscally conservative/socially liberal platform, and run candidates that adhere to that platform, and I'm on board.
I agree with you. 
But..... what about those of us who say 'just because it's always been done this way does not make it right, nor acceptable', what about those (like me!) who say that we've had decade after decade of dishonesty and corruption and we would like to stop that. I think the few intelligent lefties and the few intelligent righties might actually agree on one thing.... That we actually want 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People'. Just because we've had decades of lies doesn't make lies ok, it makes us suckers for tolerating it.
What say you, Care? Art15?
I say until both sides come together and put a stop to it then unfortunately this is what it has comes to and the harsh reality is this is how you have to run things if you want to get something done in DC.
The problem is that the the political climate is so bad that neither side can lay down their arms because the other will take it as a sign of weakness and steamroll over them.
Voting out incumbents and putting "the other" party isn't working.
We need a new party.
Form a party that runs on a fiscally conservative/socially liberal platform, and run candidates that adhere to that platform, and I'm on board.
I am just so sick and tired of having to choose between a fucking corrupt assclown and a fucking corrupt assclown. I am sick of hearing about politicians with 'years of experience' when what we should be saying is 'years of corruption'. I am sick of people either deliberately or with stupidity totally missing the fucking obvious because it suits their political agenda.
And raising taxes and spending like this Administration is just spinning our wheels. Except they are spending even faster than raising taxes. Record spending.
we HAD record spending the last administration ollie, now this is just record spending on the last record spending....
non discretionary spending has been cut in the obama budget....
the bailouts and stimulus pkgs are out of the ordinary spending....and i am NOT saying that i agree with it all....just that these things are not what is normally faced in a budget.
the deficit is so high, because we are not pulling in the taxes we once did when we were not in an economic slump....less people working, less taxes they collect to pay the bills.
we need people to have jobs, to get us out of this deficit mess, and a curb on spending.
LOL. I thought about commenting on the size of her gavel, but then decided to focus on the corruption that passes for government these days. But that gavel is one powerful symbol for that don't you think?
see, you say it is ''the corruption that passes for gvt. these days'', implying this is something NEW with this congress, and this is where we differ.....it is not something new, it is not worse than ever, and it certainly is NOT WORSE than the republicans when they held the gavel....
But..... what about those of us who say 'just because it's always been done this way does not make it right, nor acceptable', what about those (like me!) who say that we've had decade after decade of dishonesty and corruption and we would like to stop that. I think the few intelligent lefties and the few intelligent righties might actually agree on one thing.... That we actually want 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People'. Just because we've had decades of lies doesn't make lies ok, it makes us suckers for tolerating it.
What say you, Care? Art15?
And raising taxes and spending like this Administration is just spinning our wheels. Except they are spending even faster than raising taxes. Record spending.
we HAD record spending the last administration ollie, now this is just record spending on the last record spending....
non discretionary spending has been cut in the obama budget....
the bailouts and stimulus pkgs are out of the ordinary spending....and i am NOT saying that i agree with it all....just that these things are not what is normally faced in a budget.
the deficit is so high, because we are not pulling in the taxes we once did when we were not in an economic slump....less people working, less taxes they collect to pay the bills.
we need people to have jobs, to get us out of this deficit mess, and a curb on spending.
Jobs would have helped with health care too. And I don;'t care what the money is being spent on it's time to stop the stupidity. You simply cannot spend what you just don't have. The USSR learned that the hard way.
But..... what about those of us who say 'just because it's always been done this way does not make it right, nor acceptable', what about those (like me!) who say that we've had decade after decade of dishonesty and corruption and we would like to stop that. I think the few intelligent lefties and the few intelligent righties might actually agree on one thing.... That we actually want 'Government of the People, by the People, for the People'. Just because we've had decades of lies doesn't make lies ok, it makes us suckers for tolerating it.
What say you, Care? Art15?
I say until both sides come together and put a stop to it then unfortunately this is what it has comes to and the harsh reality is this is how you have to run things if you want to get something done in DC.
The problem is that the the political climate is so bad that neither side can lay down their arms because the other will take it as a sign of weakness and steamroll over them.
Voting out incumbents and putting "the other" party isn't working.
We need a new party.
Form a party that runs on a fiscally conservative/socially liberal platform, and run candidates that adhere to that platform, and I'm on board.
I am just so sick and tired of having to choose between a fucking corrupt assclown and a fucking corrupt assclown. I am sick of hearing about politicians with 'years of experience' when what we should be saying is 'years of corruption'. I am sick of people either deliberately or with stupidity totally missing the fucking obvious because it suits their political agenda.
How did Pelosi et al Do It?
i have not seen any proof of the lie, cheat, strong arm etc..... i think that is mere partisan speculation, at best foxfyre.
