How did NASA become this unreliable?

[sakinago]

TOM HARRIS: Global warming: Deceptive temperature record claims - Washington Times

 

[CrusaderFrank]

TOM HARRIS: Global warming: Deceptive temperature record claims - Washington Times

Obama turned NASA into a Muslim outreach department and put them in charge of perpetrating the AGW Fraud

 

[CrusaderFrank]

TOM HARRIS: Global warming: Deceptive temperature record claims - Washington Times

Awesome article!!!

"Even if enough accurate surface temperature measurements existed to ensure reasonable planetary coverage (it doesn’t) and to calculate some sort of global temperature statistic, interpreting its significance would be challenging. What averaging rule would you use to handle the data from thousands of temperature-sensing stations? Mean, mode, median, root mean square? Science does not tell us. For some groups of close temperature measures (and NASA and NOAA are dealing with thousands of very close temperatures), one method of calculating an average can lead to a determination of warming while another can lead to a conclusion of cooling.

Even if you could calculate some sort of meaningful global temperature statistic, the figure would be unimportant. No one and nothing would experience it directly since we all live in regions, not the globe. There is no super-sized being straddling the planet, feeling global averages in temperature. Global warming does not matter."

 

[healthmyths]

TOM HARRIS: Global warming: Deceptive temperature record claims - Washington Times

Obama turned NASA into a Muslim outreach department and put them in charge of perpetrating the AGW Fraud

When I became the NASA administrator, (President Obama) charged me with three things. One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering." NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

But of course the really major ignorant example is NASA totally ignoring 12.5% of the earth's land mass for the past 100+ years!!!
"The number of [Siberian ]stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to 12 from 1989 to present Only four stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.
IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations… The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass. The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.
Climategatekeeping: Siberia

 

[konradv]

TOM HARRIS: Global warming: Deceptive temperature record claims - Washington Times

What's reliable about the Washington Times? They just repeat denialist propaganda and obscure the real reasons for why AGW is happening.



13 Misconceptions About Global Warming

 

[mamooth]

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

^ Didn't bother reading the article, reflexively spouts AGWCult rhetoric

 

[sakinago]

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

^ Didn't bother reading the article, reflexively spouts AGWCult rhetoric

I know right. If you have qualms with what the article says, then by all means list them. Is anything they said untrue?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

^ Didn't bother reading the article, reflexively spouts AGWCult rhetoric

I know right. If you have qualms with what the article says, then by all means list them. Is anything they said untrue?

The article correctly points out that the imaginary warming is less than the margin of error, so it's a strettttttttttttttttttttttttttch to actually call it "Warmest EVAH!!!"

 

[sakinago]

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

It's amazing to me that NASA can can make a seemingly perfect circle for a satellite gyroscope, put it into space, and essentially prove Einstein's gen relativity. A perfect circle is basically impossible to make, and was a very very tedious process... But when it comes to reading ocean temperatures, they go with readings from sensors 750 miles away from each other, despite having access to tons of satellites that are already reading temps. Sounds pretty crazy to me

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

NASA, like pretty much all aspects of the Federal Government, has been infested by disease minded liberals with an anti-American agenda.

 

[sakinago]

Would you take off in a rocket when NASA says there a 38% chance it works?

NASA: 38% Sure 2014 Was The Warmest Year - Defending The Truth Political Forum

 

[flacaltenn]

TOM HARRIS: Global warming: Deceptive temperature record claims - Washington Times

What's reliable about the Washington Times? They just repeat denialist propaganda and obscure the real reasons for why AGW is happening.



13 Misconceptions About Global Warming

There are no unimpeachable news sources anymore.. You look at the claims and you VERIFY.. Just like my Russian immigrant science buds said they had to do in the old Soviet Union.. If you find a source that MISREPRESENT FACTS (not opinion) then you can dismiss them..

There are no statistics coming from ANY Federal Agency that are not spun or cooked anymore. Whether it's ObamaCare numbers, or the economy or unemployment or the balance in the "trust funds"..

But in this case -- the analysis is quite correct..

But government spokespeople rarely mention the inconvenient fact that these records are being set by less than the uncertainty in the statistics.NOAA claims an uncertainty of 14 one-hundredths of a degree in its temperature averages, or near twice the amount by which they say the record was set. NASA says that their data is typically accurate to one tenth of a degree, five times the amount by which their new record was set.

And what has happened before is that NASA/NOAA/GISS will issue a clarification in a week or two stating that their confidence in this "record" is about 30%... But no one will notice and the damage is done.

So when folks tell you that these agencies are constantly cooking the Global temp. data to their advantage. REMEMBER that 0.04degC is the difference between SCREAMING HEADLINES and oh hum...

 

[mamooth]

I know right. If you have qualms with what the article says, then by all means list them. Is anything they said untrue?

First, tossing up a link and saying "refute this!" is a crap tactic. It's your job to support your case.

And second, most of that link was garbage.

For example, they said that the record high was within the uncertainty, which makes it meaningless. Anyone saying such a stupid thing has no grasp of basic statistics. And every scientist understands just how badly the deniers are failing at statistics.

Their 750 mile claim was just a weird fantasy. Nobody really has any idea what they're babbling about.

And saying "There's no such thing as an average global temperature" is just a pathetic deflection. If they pretend there's not global average, they don't have to acknowledge that the global average keeps going up.

Tom Harris, the author, is a mechanical engineer with zero experience in climate science, and who draws his salary from various conservative think tanks. His previous history includes being a paid shill for the tobacco industry. That example is quite common. Many of the people who got paid to lie and say smoking was harmless have moved on to getting paid to lie and say there's no global warming. And amazingly, some people fall for it.

No sensible person uses the bad satellite data when the far superior surface data is available. Satellite data doesn't even measure temperature, and has to be arbitrarily twiddled, fudged and adjusted to convert it to a temperature. In contrast, using the surface data is very straightforward. Plus, the satellite data measures the mid-atmosphere, while the surface data measures the surface. Which is where we live, so it's what we care about.

Remember, the adjustments to the surface data make the warming look _smaller_. Amazingly, almost every denier pretends the exact opposite. Most of them have just been brainwashed by their cult into believing the opposite of reality, but their leaders are lying deliberately. There's no socialist conspiracy; the scientists simply know all the data contradicts the bullshit denier claims. The denier rank and file themselves should take their leaders to task and demand to know why they've been lying to everyone about the temperature adjustments. But they won't. Like an abused spouse, they'll just run back for more abuse.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I'll listen to nasa far before I listen to any kook on this board. That is reality.

 

[sakinago]

I know right. If you have qualms with what the article says, then by all means list them. Is anything they said untrue?

First, tossing up a link and saying "refute this!" is a crap tactic. It's your job to support your case.

And second, most of that link was garbage.

For example, they said that the record high was within the uncertainty, which makes it meaningless. Anyone saying such a stupid thing has no grasp of basic statistics. And every scientist understands just how badly the deniers are failing at statistics.

Their 750 mile claim was just a weird fantasy. Nobody really has any idea what they're babbling about.

And saying "There's no such thing as an average global temperature" is just a pathetic deflection. If they pretend there's not global average, they don't have to acknowledge that the global average keeps going up.

Tom Harris, the author, is a mechanical engineer with zero experience in climate science, and who draws his salary from various conservative think tanks. His previous history includes being a paid shill for the tobacco industry. That example is quite common. Many of the people who got paid to lie and say smoking was harmless have moved on to getting paid to lie and say there's no global warming. And amazingly, some people fall for it.

No sensible person uses the bad satellite data when the far superior surface data is available. Satellite data doesn't even measure temperature, and has to be arbitrarily twiddled, fudged and adjusted to convert it to a temperature. In contrast, using the surface data is very straightforward. Plus, the satellite data measures the mid-atmosphere, while the surface data measures the surface. Which is where we live, so it's what we care about.

Remember, the adjustments to the surface data make the warming look _smaller_. Amazingly, almost every denier pretends the exact opposite. Most of them have just been brainwashed by their cult into believing the opposite of reality, but their leaders are lying deliberately. There's no socialist conspiracy; the scientists simply know all the data contradicts the bullshit denier claims. The denier rank and file themselves should take their leaders to task and demand to know why they've been lying to everyone about the temperature adjustments. But they won't. Like an abused spouse, they'll just run back for more abuse.

Um no it's not my responsibility to refute what I post. If you have a problem with what I post, then it's your responsibility to go after the legs I'm placing the case on. Which should be easy for you since your party claims us "deniers" are equivalent to flat earth theorist. So far, you've attacked the credibility of the author, claimed his stats are untrue without countering with other stats, and told us it's good practice in stats to ignore the margin of error.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'll listen to nasa far before I listen to any kook on this board. That is reality.

So how much hotter was THIS July versus 1998? And what is the statistical significance of that number??

You have no sense of self-preservation when it comes to your blind faith in government. That''s not historically a wise position to take. But I think your inference that folks are not qualified to do 10th grade math is a bit funny.

How much math do you NEED to read a spreadsheet and interpret simple statistical assertions??

 

[sakinago]

I know right. If you have qualms with what the article says, then by all means list them. Is anything they said untrue?

First, tossing up a link and saying "refute this!" is a crap tactic. It's your job to support your case.

And second, most of that link was garbage.

For example, they said that the record high was within the uncertainty, which makes it meaningless. Anyone saying such a stupid thing has no grasp of basic statistics. And every scientist understands just how badly the deniers are failing at statistics.

Their 750 mile claim was just a weird fantasy. Nobody really has any idea what they're babbling about.

And saying "There's no such thing as an average global temperature" is just a pathetic deflection. If they pretend there's not global average, they don't have to acknowledge that the global average keeps going up.

Tom Harris, the author, is a mechanical engineer with zero experience in climate science, and who draws his salary from various conservative think tanks. His previous history includes being a paid shill for the tobacco industry. That example is quite common. Many of the people who got paid to lie and say smoking was harmless have moved on to getting paid to lie and say there's no global warming. And amazingly, some people fall for it.

No sensible person uses the bad satellite data when the far superior surface data is available. Satellite data doesn't even measure temperature, and has to be arbitrarily twiddled, fudged and adjusted to convert it to a temperature. In contrast, using the surface data is very straightforward. Plus, the satellite data measures the mid-atmosphere, while the surface data measures the surface. Which is where we live, so it's what we care about.

Remember, the adjustments to the surface data make the warming look _smaller_. Amazingly, almost every denier pretends the exact opposite. Most of them have just been brainwashed by their cult into believing the opposite of reality, but their leaders are lying deliberately. There's no socialist conspiracy; the scientists simply know all the data contradicts the bullshit denier claims. The denier rank and file themselves should take their leaders to task and demand to know why they've been lying to everyone about the temperature adjustments. But they won't. Like an abused spouse, they'll just run back for more abuse.

Oh and you sate that satellites (even though they're good at measure temp on other planets, sun, light frequencies from stars 100s of light years away)...are not good at reading surface temps on earth. I guess infrared thermometers are s**t tech

 

[rdean]

The Moonie Times is now a go-to source for science info for the right. That's what to take away from this thread. Rev. Moon's cult tells 'em what to think.

It's also funny to watch the cultists claim NASA isn't accurate, right after NASA flies a spacecraft past Pluto.

I pointed out that same thing and USMB right wingers laughed and laughed. They said how hard could it be?

NASA scientists have done so much for the US and the World. What have GOP scientists like Behe done?

 

[G.T.]

NASA, like pretty much all aspects of the Federal Government, has been infested by disease minded liberals with an anti-American agenda.

Sounds like a loony tweet ^