How did lands in the American West become privately owned

[Agit8r]

What entity made this development possible?

 

[BULLDOG]

Google "Land Grants"

 

[deltex1]

Without looking it up.....government offers/encouragement...pioneer spirit...individual effort rewarded. Take risk, claim land...

 

[Agit8r]

Google "Land Grants"

So, the Federal Government conquered the land, gave vast portions away to individuals and corporations, and used a powerful army to defend it?

 

[Katzndogz]

People went out into the wilderness and hacked out a home. There was such a thing as Tomahawk rights, that is, you mark off your boundaries by hacking the trees with a tomahawk.

There was such a thing as Corn Rights which is you owned whatever you grew corn on.

In the Southwest, that had been discovered by Spain, the Spanish crown gave out land grants. Those were vast tracts of land. The owners sometimes divided up parcels and sold off some of the original grant.

Now some of the land was purchased from the Indian tribes. The Iroquois sold the Ohio Valley to a group of settler families. The Zanes, Eberhards, Rosenkrantz', and Wetzels. The only problem is, the Iroquois never owned that land. It was owned by the Delaware (or as the natives say Lenape), This set up a war that lasted over 20 years.

 

[Katzndogz]

Google "Land Grants"

So, the Federal Government conquered the land, gave vast portions away to individuals and corporations, and used a powerful army to defend it?

Not even CLOSE!

 

[the_human_being]

John Wayne secured a lot of it for the poor folks on the wagon train. I know it's true. I saw it on TV.

 

[BULLDOG]

Google "Land Grants"

So, the Federal Government conquered the land, gave vast portions away to individuals and corporations, and used a powerful army to defend it?

That's pretty much what happened, only they didn't conquer the land. They conquered the people who were on the land and took it away from them.

 

[Vigilante]

Reality should set in.....

• The Larger, but Quieter Than Bundy, Push to Take Over Federal Land
  The New York times ^ | January 10th, 2016 | By JACK HEALY and KIRK JOHNSON
  ENVER — Ken Ivory, a Republican state representative from Utah, has been roaming the West with an alluring pitch to cattle ranchers, farmers and conservatives upset with how Washington controls the wide-open public spaces out here: This land is your land, he says, and not the federal government’s. Mr. Ivory, a bespectacled business lawyer from suburban Salt Lake City, does not fit the profile of a sun-scoured sagebrush rebel. But he is part of a growing Republican-led movement pushing the federal government to hand over to the states millions of acres of Western public lands — as well as their...

 

[Katzndogz]

You might thinking of the Homestead Act of 1862. Settlers could homestead 165 acres of as their own. The government didn't own the land, they were overseeing an orderly settlement.

 

[Katzndogz]

A powerful army, now that's funny.

 

[BULLDOG]

You might thinking of the Homestead Act of 1862. Settlers could homestead 165 acres of as their own. The government didn't own the land, they were overseeing an orderly settlement.

There were several ways the U.S. acquired and distributed the land. Much of it in the west was offered or given to the states, but the states preferred that the federal government keep ownership.

 

[BULLDOG]

A powerful army, now that's funny.

It was powerful for the time, even if it was stretched to cover all the recently acquired area.

 

[Jackson]

What entity made this development possible?

Settlers could own a piece of land if they built on it and worked the land for five years.

 

[Jackson]

What entity made this development possible?

Homestead Act.

 

[Jackson]

Google "Land Grants"

So, the Federal Government conquered the land, gave vast portions away to individuals and corporations, and used a powerful army to defend it?

No. Not corporations. There were no corporations.

 

[Agit8r]

Google "Land Grants"

So, the Federal Government conquered the land, gave vast portions away to individuals and corporations, and used a powerful army to defend it?

No. Not corporations. There were no corporations.

Actually, that is how the transcontinental railroad was built:

Pacific Railroad Acts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

Do you on the far right really have no clue how the land was legally acquired by the national government through the organization of territories and lands?

Really?

Really fricking really?

Each wannabee state negotiated terms as a territory with the feds concerning these issues.

Study them. And understand the people of the US owns public lands, not the folks in a particular country, state, or region. This ownership is not temporary, unless the feds and the state come to a legal agreement. Ken Ivory of Utah is trying to go around the established way of transferring lands from fed to state. He will fail.

 

[Agit8r]

Do you on the far right really have no clue how the land was legally acquired by the national government through the organization of territories and lands?

Really?

Really fricking really?

Each wannabee state negotiated terms as a territory with the feds concerning these issues.

Study them. And understand the people of the US owns public lands, not the folks in a particular country, state, or region. This ownership is not temporary, unless the feds and the state come to a legal agreement. Ken Ivory of Utah is trying to go around the established way of transferring lands from fed to state. He will fail.

I'm not familiar with Ken Ivory. What's his deal?

 

[JakeStarkey]

He is part of a movement to steal the public's lands for the enrichment of secret groups.

1. Utah Lawmaker Accused Of 'Illegal Scheme' To Seize America’s ...
   thinkprogress.org/.../ken-ivory-public-lands-complaint
   Utah Rep. Ken Ivory is being called ... to investigate the Utah lawmaker who has led a push for western states to take control of federal public lands. ...
   
   
2. Utah lawmaker cashing in on federal land grab movement | The ...
   www.spokesman.com/.../2015/jun/...federal-land-grab-movement
   This June 18, 2014, file photo, Utah Republican state Rep. Ken Ivory speaks during a hearing at the Utah State Capitol, in Salt Lake City. The Campaign for ...
   
   
3. Western states eye federal lands—again (Bad Medicine ) — High ...
   www.hcn.org/.../46.18/western-states-eye-federal-lands-again
   States claiming Federal lands is only the first ... Every acre would be either placed under mineral lease or sold to the lowest bidder crony of Ken Ivory and his ...
   
   
4. Ken Ivory and the American Lands Council - High Country News
   www.hcn.org/articles/...land-transfer-ken-ivory-lobbying
   Utah State Rep. Ken Ivory at the Utah State Capitol in 2014, where