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    morning, evening, and vegetation growing on Earth before the sun exists?
     
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    Magic.
     
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    You're wondering how an all powerful being can do anything He wants? Seems kind of silly to me.

    There is vegetation that grows where there is no sunlight btw.
     
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    It says all vegetation [​IMG]

    Now, if you want to try literalism. you're already debunked- the Earth has been showed older than that

    Otherwise, the age of the sun and stars still debunks your little mouths and legends

    No mount of apologetics or weaseling can change that
     
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    yes science has never been wrong.....
     
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    No, you idiot.


    certain theories, hypothesis, and models have been wrong- even certain schools of pseudoscience- but science has never been demonstrated to be false

    Try defending your own delusions instead of making baseless and ignorant attacks upon reason
     
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    you would do well to follow your own advice.....
     
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    You're working with flawed assumptions.

    You're assuming that because science says the universe acts according to certain laws today, they have always acted by those laws and will always abide by those laws.

    But science only operates in the present. You can't scientifically observe what the laws of nature were 1000 years ago, or 100,000. You don't know that they operate the same way they do today.

    Take radioactive dating, even in middle school I had to question how reliable radiactive dating was. We've been observing how elements decay for what? 100 years? Maybe 150 if we are liberal with it. Yet, how do we know these elements decayed at the same rate 400 years ago? Or 2000 years ago?

    We don't. We make assumptions about the past based on what is happening now. Those assumptions may be right, they may be wrong. They may be right on some theories, and wrong on others.

    You may put your faith in science, but you dont seem to see the limits inherent in the scientific method. Until you do, you wont be able to comperehend the reality of what has happened in the past or what will happen in the future. You cant see the truth about reality until you knkow the truth of your limits of perception and the limits of your assumptions.
     
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    You can't. I can't. God can and did.
     
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    That is reasonable. To assume otherwise is to assume the existence of agents not in existence, and is illogical.

    Actually we do all the time, when we study the stars...


    Again, the laws of physics do, and to assume the existence of agents not in evidence that, through means not specified, alter the fundamental laws of the universe is illogical at best and dishonest to be more accurate.


    Now you claim to see the entirety of the spime?

    Present your evidence
     

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