How can yall continue to support him?

[Cuyo]

Pretty imipressive???

Not exactly the words I would use. More like lets shove this peice of shit down the throats of the American people. Yeah. That sounds more like it to me.

Did you perhaps forget that the majority of Americans wanted reform, not this peice of shit we got handed??

There is no reform in this bill whatsoever. They merely added millions to the roles. The insurance companies can't refuse to treat anyone and can't cancel anyones insurance. This expense will be passed on to all of us who have coverage. Peoples kids and grandkids will be paying for this cluserfuck forever.

Pretty impressive. Not fucking hardly.

Most wanted more comprehensive reform, ie single payer or at least public option; But very few wanted this bill to fail with no reform whatsoever as the alternative. It's a foundation for greater reform, if nothing else.

The truth is, all the rabble-rousing you heard from Republicans during the great debate was nothing more than scare tactics; Scare the ever lovin shit out of Americans and force the pressure to result in the failure of this bill. Just buy some time, get Obama and congressional dems mired in something else; Eventually the Republicans will be back in power and you'll hear the same amount of talk about HC reform that you've heard of the last 30 years when Republicans were in control: NADA.

To view it as anything else is to deny logic. You really think piddlin crap like tort reform and buying across state lines is the reason Republicans were against it?? Get real. Let me introduce you to the elephant in the room: THE REPUBLICANS DID NOT AND DO NOT WANT ANY HEALTH CARE REFORM.

So. The Reps had control of Congress for 30 years??

I think you better get on Google and get your facts straight.

The Reps had control of Congress from 1994 till 2006. Periiod. The Dems ran the show for the rest of that time. Social engineering galore.

I'm also glad you know what the Reps were thinking about HC because neither the Dems nor OL'BO were the least bit interested in anything they had to say on the matter.

The only thing that scares me about HC is having the Govt run the show which is the ultimate aim of Pelosi, Reid and Barry Boy. The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well in charge of HC. God. What a scary thought.

I guess thats your cup of tea though. It sure as hell ain't mine.

Republicans had the white house for 22 of the last 30 years. Sure, the Congress has fluctuated, house gained, senate lost, house lost, senate gained. Nothing new there. When there's a republican president, you know damn well there won't be any HC reform. In addition to the obvious fact that Raygun or either Bush would've vetoed it anyway, the POTUS has the unique ability to get on TV on every channel and hammer into the heads of Americans how bad and evil the very prospect is.

Clinton was obviously the opposite situation; He did not have Congress for most of his tenure. He did whip for HC reform; Obviously didn't get it; and after his tenure he identified it as one of his biggest regrets.

I don't agree that "Gov't has never run anything cheaply or well." There are plenty of things better delegated to the fed, either because nobody else has the ability to do it, or nobody has the financial interest in taking on such endeavors. It was the federal government that gave us railroads and later interstate highways (Hence making possible much of our economic infrastructure), the space program (And with it, much of the technology we're now using to have this conversation), and the Manhattan project (ultimately ending the war and positioning the U.S. as the "New Rome" we're now accustomed to). Many of the best things about this country; Things we now take for granted; Would never have existed without huge, taxpayer funded government programs.

 

[Claudette]

Most wanted more comprehensive reform, ie single payer or at least public option; But very few wanted this bill to fail with no reform whatsoever as the alternative. It's a foundation for greater reform, if nothing else.

The truth is, all the rabble-rousing you heard from Republicans during the great debate was nothing more than scare tactics; Scare the ever lovin shit out of Americans and force the pressure to result in the failure of this bill. Just buy some time, get Obama and congressional dems mired in something else; Eventually the Republicans will be back in power and you'll hear the same amount of talk about HC reform that you've heard of the last 30 years when Republicans were in control: NADA.

To view it as anything else is to deny logic. You really think piddlin crap like tort reform and buying across state lines is the reason Republicans were against it?? Get real. Let me introduce you to the elephant in the room: THE REPUBLICANS DID NOT AND DO NOT WANT ANY HEALTH CARE REFORM.

So. The Reps had control of Congress for 30 years??

I think you better get on Google and get your facts straight.

The Reps had control of Congress from 1994 till 2006. Periiod. The Dems ran the show for the rest of that time. Social engineering galore.

I'm also glad you know what the Reps were thinking about HC because neither the Dems nor OL'BO were the least bit interested in anything they had to say on the matter.

The only thing that scares me about HC is having the Govt run the show which is the ultimate aim of Pelosi, Reid and Barry Boy. The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well in charge of HC. God. What a scary thought.

I guess thats your cup of tea though. It sure as hell ain't mine.

Republicans had the white house for 22 of the last 30 years. Sure, the Congress has fluctuated, house gained, senate lost, house lost, senate gained. Nothing new there. When there's a republican president, you know damn well there won't be any HC reform. In addition to the obvious fact that Raygun or either Bush would've vetoed it anyway, the POTUS has the unique ability to get on TV on every channel and hammer into the heads of Americans how bad and evil the very prospect is.

Clinton was obviously the opposite situation; He did not have Congress for most of his tenure. He did whip for HC reform; Obviously didn't get it; and after his tenure he identified it as one of his biggest regrets.

I don't agree that "Gov't has never run anything cheaply or well." There are plenty of things better delegated to the fed, either because nobody else has the ability to do it, or nobody has the financial interest in taking on such endeavors. It was the federal government that gave us railroads and later interstate highways (Hence making possible much of our economic infrastructure), the space program (And with it, much of the technology we're now using to have this conversation), and the Manhattan project (ultimately ending the war and positioning the U.S. as the "New Rome" we're now accustomed to). Many of the best things about this country; Things we now take for granted; Would never have existed without huge, taxpayer funded government programs.

Good post.

I know the Reps have had the WH for all those years. I was speaking about Congress where the Dems have held sway for a good part of the last 50 or so years.

I agree the Govt has done some things well but theres a lot that they don't do well and they don't seem to do anything cheaply.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them?? I find it hard to believe that the Govt at that time had the wherewithall to do what those men did.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Seriously, this guy is the worst President EVER

He hasn't done ANYTHING right since taking over

I won't bother to rehash all his gaffes and fuck ups, there's no need, but Jesus Christ, it's not as if he's just having a few things go wrong, An honest person would have to conclude that he he has fucked up every single thing he has put his hands on.

He can't lead. He just doesn't have it it him. If yall really cared about your causes you would want better leadership.

For real, any of you still feel that he is the right man for the job , please tell us why; because frankly I think the only people who continue to support him do so for one reason, skin color.

Well he has tried to deliver on his promise to fundamentally transform america

1) We shun our allies england and israel...transformation
2) Government gets to control health care instead of individuals....transformation
3) Government gets to have a say in how some car companies are run....transformation
4) Government gives tax money to big wig corporate interests under the guise of stimulus spending...transformation
5) Government doesn't suspend the Jones act in order to get help cleaning up the worst oil spill ever even though several years earlier it was willing to suspend the Jones act to get help for Katrina victims.....transformation


I could go on but you get my point.

1) Israel has actually received MUCH more support from the U.S. than actually most countries in the world. We've given them $34 BILLION since 1951 (and still giving them money).
2) Because, you know, England is going over SUCH turmoil right now. Because they're going through an oil crisis in an area that got struck by a hurricane just a few years ago. Sorry, but the only thing they are really grieving over is their loss at the hands of Germany during the World Cup.
3) The government's control of both health care and the auto industry is NOT the Orwellian Nightmare that you are think that Obama is forcing down our throats. It's just a small part of socialism. And socialism and communism are two COMPLETELY things. I could go on about the differences between the two, but since I feel it completely unnecessary to spit out the two ideologies in full detail, let me break it down in the simplest terms: Communism is Russia ruled under Stalin while Socialism is Canada since the early-to-mid 20th century. And for the record, the majority of Canada is fine and dandy with their socialist system, especially as far as their health care goes.
4) So the government allows these companies to spend money given to them while still telling how these people to spend it? Where and when did you hear that? When the Bush administration gave these companies the money, they allowed them to do what they want. Obama has followed Bush's precedent. So if anything, you should praise Obama for following Bush's very capitalist decision.
5) That doesn't mean that the government hasn't done anything to clean up the Gulf. That's the problem with people like you. The government is either too strict with the oil spill and is doing way too much while on other days, they are too lax and aren't doing enough to help.

I could go on, but you get my point.

2) Our presidents behavior towards england has been awful.
1) Our president/countries response to the flotilla incident shows more poor treatment of an ally.
3) Thank you for inserting what you believe my thoughts are into your response. I made a VERY simple statement that did not include all the baggage you imply that it did. Its very simple....government is now in control of individuals health care/insurance instead of the individuals being in charge of their own care and insurance. Nothing more, nothing less.

As far as your "nightmare" comments just name me a successfull governmnet program that has come in under budget year after year and exceeded expectations.

4) Exactly my problem, obama is following bush's lead with the bailouts and I find coroporate welfare, in the face of all the money companies make, to be offensive. No one is too big to fail and american taxpayers shouldn't be responsible to corporations who do fail.

5) The problem with people like me? Obama and his admin did not allow for foreign nations to help us in the first 2 months of the spill. The DOJ threatened to arrest and sue state officials who went and did cleanup/prevention stuff on their own.

The federal government also passed the regulations forcing companies like BP to drill in such deep, hard to reach, waters.



Stop projecting what you THINK my opinions are onto me and start trying to discuss it with me like a human being instead.

 

[PixieStix]

Personally, I do not know how they supported him in the first place.
I used to at least be comforted by the "apparent" tolerance of the same people who now support this person and they continue to support him is even more of a oddity...I am bewildered as to how one throws out what they claim to hold sacred to elect and continue to support his policies since he does seem to be an anti american pro communist..pro marxist..racist in its purest form..what is wrong with some of you people..it is pure hypocrisy

I have watched as our freedoms have been systematically taken away. I am not alright with that

 

[jillian]

So. The Reps had control of Congress for 30 years??

I think you better get on Google and get your facts straight.

The Reps had control of Congress from 1994 till 2006. Periiod. The Dems ran the show for the rest of that time. Social engineering galore.

I'm also glad you know what the Reps were thinking about HC because neither the Dems nor OL'BO were the least bit interested in anything they had to say on the matter.

The only thing that scares me about HC is having the Govt run the show which is the ultimate aim of Pelosi, Reid and Barry Boy. The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well in charge of HC. God. What a scary thought.

I guess thats your cup of tea though. It sure as hell ain't mine.

perhaps you need to add a few facts to your rightwing talking points.

there was a 1 vote majority in the senate from 2006 to 2008. if so much as a single vote wasn't gathered, that was it...

and even when bills were passed, baby bush used his veto pen any time a bill didn't suit the rightwingnuts.

... until of course, he needed dems to bail out his sorry butt and try to clean up his economic mess.

yay deregulation...

 

[MikeK]

[...]

There are many black individuals that would make a great president (Colin Powell, Herman Caine, J. C. Watts and etc.[...]

Colin Powell???

Are you not aware of what Colin Powell did to this country?

Were it not for that man's self-serving, duplicitous treachery it is likely the Congress would not have authorized the Iraq invasion. Powell sold out lock, stock and barrel to Bush and in that single act transformed himself from an honorable Black American and a military icon into an obedient house ****** serving his master's interest. That sonofabitch deserves to be stripped, tarred and feathered.

I'm surprised that someone who apparently thinks and writes as clearly as you do could ignore Powell's monstrous moral crime. But if you, yourself, are Black I suppose I can understand it.

 

[Rinata]

Personally, I do not know how they supported him in the first place.
I used to at least be comforted by the "apparent" tolerance of the same people who now support this person and they continue to support him is even more of a oddity...I am bewildered as to how one throws out what they claim to hold sacred to elect and continue to support his policies since he does seem to be an anti american pro communist..pro marxist..racist in its purest form..what is wrong with some of you people..it is pure hypocrisy

I have watched as our freedoms have been systematically taken away. I am not alright with that

How awful for you. Give us a for instance and tell us of your suffering, my child.

 

[Dr.House]

perhaps you need to add a few facts to your rightwing talking points.

there was a 1 vote majority in the senate from 2006 to 2008. if so much as a single vote wasn't gathered, that was it...

and even when bills were passed, baby bush used his veto pen any time a bill didn't suit the rightwingnuts.

... until of course, he needed dems to bail out his sorry butt and try to clean up his economic mess.
yay deregulation...

Thanks for the laugh.... Yeah, we're totally out of this "economic mess", aren't we....LOL


BTW, what was the count on the number of times "bby bush" used his veto pen?... Hmmmmmm???

 

[PixieStix]

Personally, I do not know how they supported him in the first place.
I used to at least be comforted by the "apparent" tolerance of the same people who now support this person and they continue to support him is even more of a oddity...I am bewildered as to how one throws out what they claim to hold sacred to elect and continue to support his policies since he does seem to be an anti american pro communist..pro marxist..racist in its purest form..what is wrong with some of you people..it is pure hypocrisy

I have watched as our freedoms have been systematically taken away. I am not alright with that

How awful for you. Give us a for instance and tell us of your suffering, my child.

If you cannot see what is happening I feel sorry for you, oh wait no I don't, I blame people like yourself

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcilJGPo68]YouTube - Hey There Obama (Drink the Kool Aid)[/ame]

 

[Claudette]

perhaps you need to add a few facts to your rightwing talking points.

there was a 1 vote majority in the senate from 2006 to 2008. if so much as a single vote wasn't gathered, that was it...

and even when bills were passed, baby bush used his veto pen any time a bill didn't suit the rightwingnuts.

... until of course, he needed dems to bail out his sorry butt and try to clean up his economic mess.
yay deregulation...

Thanks for the laugh.... Yeah, we're totally out of this "economic mess", aren't we....LOL


BTW, what was the count on the number of times "bby bush" used his veto pen?... Hmmmmmm???

You beat me to it House.

I don't believe Bush used that veto pen one time. He let Congress, both parties, spend like drunken sailors.

I think Jillian forgot that the Dems were involved in the making of the "mess" just as much as the Reps were. As for cleaning it up? I see a lot of spending but not much mending. LOL

 

[HUGGY]

[...]

There are many black individuals that would make a great president (Colin Powell, Herman Caine, J. C. Watts and etc.[...]

Colin Powell???

Are you not aware of what Colin Powell did to this country?

Were it not for that man's self-serving, duplicitous treachery it is likely the Congress would not have authorized the Iraq invasion. Powell sold out lock, stock and barrel to Bush and in that single act transformed himself from an honorable Black American and a military icon into an obedient house ****** serving his master's interest. That sonofabitch deserves to be stripped, tarred and feathered.

I'm surprised that someone who apparently thinks and writes as clearly as you do could ignore Powell's monstrous moral crime. But if you, yourself, are Black I suppose I can understand it.

Move along..nothing to see here..nothing you should have remembered...

 

[rightwinger]

Pretty imipressive???

Not exactly the words I would use. More like lets shove this peice of shit down the throats of the American people. Yeah. That sounds more like it to me.

Did you perhaps forget that the majority of Americans wanted reform, not this peice of shit we got handed??

There is no reform in this bill whatsoever. They merely added millions to the roles. The insurance companies can't refuse to treat anyone and can't cancel anyones insurance. This expense will be passed on to all of us who have coverage. Peoples kids and grandkids will be paying for this cluserfuck forever.

Pretty impressive. Not fucking hardly.

Most wanted more comprehensive reform, ie single payer or at least public option; But very few wanted this bill to fail with no reform whatsoever as the alternative. It's a foundation for greater reform, if nothing else.

The truth is, all the rabble-rousing you heard from Republicans during the great debate was nothing more than scare tactics; Scare the ever lovin shit out of Americans and force the pressure to result in the failure of this bill. Just buy some time, get Obama and congressional dems mired in something else; Eventually the Republicans will be back in power and you'll hear the same amount of talk about HC reform that you've heard of the last 30 years when Republicans were in control: NADA.

To view it as anything else is to deny logic. You really think piddlin crap like tort reform and buying across state lines is the reason Republicans were against it?? Get real. Let me introduce you to the elephant in the room: THE REPUBLICANS DID NOT AND DO NOT WANT ANY HEALTH CARE REFORM.

So. The Reps had control of Congress for 30 years??

I think you better get on Google and get your facts straight.

The Reps had control of Congress from 1994 till 2006. Periiod. The Dems ran the show for the rest of that time. Social engineering galore.

I'm also glad you know what the Reps were thinking about HC because neither the Dems nor OL'BO were the least bit interested in anything they had to say on the matter.

The only thing that scares me about HC is having the Govt run the show which is the ultimate aim of Pelosi, Reid and Barry Boy. The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well in charge of HC. God. What a scary thought.

I guess thats your cup of tea though. It sure as hell ain't mine.

You think this helps your position?

After decades of hearing the Republicans gripe that they could fix what is wrong with this country if only we gave them a chance, we handed total control of the country to the GOP. What we got was...

1. The biggest terrorist attack in history
2. Two wars
3. Two wars poorly executed
4. Torture
5. Denial of human rights
6. Doubled deficit
7. Collapse of the dollar
8. The largest economic collapse in 70 years

 

[rightwinger]

So. The Reps had control of Congress for 30 years??

I think you better get on Google and get your facts straight.

The Reps had control of Congress from 1994 till 2006. Periiod. The Dems ran the show for the rest of that time. Social engineering galore.

I'm also glad you know what the Reps were thinking about HC because neither the Dems nor OL'BO were the least bit interested in anything they had to say on the matter.

The only thing that scares me about HC is having the Govt run the show which is the ultimate aim of Pelosi, Reid and Barry Boy. The Govt that has never run anything cheaply or well in charge of HC. God. What a scary thought.

I guess thats your cup of tea though. It sure as hell ain't mine.

Republicans had the white house for 22 of the last 30 years. Sure, the Congress has fluctuated, house gained, senate lost, house lost, senate gained. Nothing new there. When there's a republican president, you know damn well there won't be any HC reform. In addition to the obvious fact that Raygun or either Bush would've vetoed it anyway, the POTUS has the unique ability to get on TV on every channel and hammer into the heads of Americans how bad and evil the very prospect is.

Clinton was obviously the opposite situation; He did not have Congress for most of his tenure. He did whip for HC reform; Obviously didn't get it; and after his tenure he identified it as one of his biggest regrets.

I don't agree that "Gov't has never run anything cheaply or well." There are plenty of things better delegated to the fed, either because nobody else has the ability to do it, or nobody has the financial interest in taking on such endeavors. It was the federal government that gave us railroads and later interstate highways (Hence making possible much of our economic infrastructure), the space program (And with it, much of the technology we're now using to have this conversation), and the Manhattan project (ultimately ending the war and positioning the U.S. as the "New Rome" we're now accustomed to). Many of the best things about this country; Things we now take for granted; Would never have existed without huge, taxpayer funded government programs.

Good post.

I know the Reps have had the WH for all those years. I was speaking about Congress where the Dems have held sway for a good part of the last 50 or so years.

I agree the Govt has done some things well but theres a lot that they don't do well and they don't seem to do anything cheaply.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them?? I find it hard to believe that the Govt at that time had the wherewithall to do what those men did.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them??

Weren't they called robber barons? They made a fortune off of crooked railroad contracts and the government encouraged them

 

[Cuyo]

Republicans had the white house for 22 of the last 30 years. Sure, the Congress has fluctuated, house gained, senate lost, house lost, senate gained. Nothing new there. When there's a republican president, you know damn well there won't be any HC reform. In addition to the obvious fact that Raygun or either Bush would've vetoed it anyway, the POTUS has the unique ability to get on TV on every channel and hammer into the heads of Americans how bad and evil the very prospect is.

Clinton was obviously the opposite situation; He did not have Congress for most of his tenure. He did whip for HC reform; Obviously didn't get it; and after his tenure he identified it as one of his biggest regrets.

I don't agree that "Gov't has never run anything cheaply or well." There are plenty of things better delegated to the fed, either because nobody else has the ability to do it, or nobody has the financial interest in taking on such endeavors. It was the federal government that gave us railroads and later interstate highways (Hence making possible much of our economic infrastructure), the space program (And with it, much of the technology we're now using to have this conversation), and the Manhattan project (ultimately ending the war and positioning the U.S. as the "New Rome" we're now accustomed to). Many of the best things about this country; Things we now take for granted; Would never have existed without huge, taxpayer funded government programs.

Good post.

I know the Reps have had the WH for all those years. I was speaking about Congress where the Dems have held sway for a good part of the last 50 or so years.

I agree the Govt has done some things well but theres a lot that they don't do well and they don't seem to do anything cheaply.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them?? I find it hard to believe that the Govt at that time had the wherewithall to do what those men did.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them??

Weren't they called robber barons? They made a fortune off of crooked railroad contracts and the government encouraged them

Until..........

 

[Rinata]

Personally, I do not know how they supported him in the first place.
I used to at least be comforted by the "apparent" tolerance of the same people who now support this person and they continue to support him is even more of a oddity...I am bewildered as to how one throws out what they claim to hold sacred to elect and continue to support his policies since he does seem to be an anti american pro communist..pro marxist..racist in its purest form..what is wrong with some of you people..it is pure hypocrisy

I have watched as our freedoms have been systematically taken away. I am not alright with that

How awful for you. Give us a for instance and tell us of your suffering, my child.

If you cannot see what is happening I feel sorry for you, oh wait no I don't, I blame people like yourself

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcilJGPo68]YouTube - Hey There Obama (Drink the Kool Aid)[/ame]

Blame us for what?? Not agreeing with you?? Not being bagheads?? Not needing other people to tell us what to think?? Having critical thinking skills??

Yeah, I can see where you would blame people like me. Get bent.

 

[Claudette]

Republicans had the white house for 22 of the last 30 years. Sure, the Congress has fluctuated, house gained, senate lost, house lost, senate gained. Nothing new there. When there's a republican president, you know damn well there won't be any HC reform. In addition to the obvious fact that Raygun or either Bush would've vetoed it anyway, the POTUS has the unique ability to get on TV on every channel and hammer into the heads of Americans how bad and evil the very prospect is.

Clinton was obviously the opposite situation; He did not have Congress for most of his tenure. He did whip for HC reform; Obviously didn't get it; and after his tenure he identified it as one of his biggest regrets.

I don't agree that "Gov't has never run anything cheaply or well." There are plenty of things better delegated to the fed, either because nobody else has the ability to do it, or nobody has the financial interest in taking on such endeavors. It was the federal government that gave us railroads and later interstate highways (Hence making possible much of our economic infrastructure), the space program (And with it, much of the technology we're now using to have this conversation), and the Manhattan project (ultimately ending the war and positioning the U.S. as the "New Rome" we're now accustomed to). Many of the best things about this country; Things we now take for granted; Would never have existed without huge, taxpayer funded government programs.

Good post.

I know the Reps have had the WH for all those years. I was speaking about Congress where the Dems have held sway for a good part of the last 50 or so years.

I agree the Govt has done some things well but theres a lot that they don't do well and they don't seem to do anything cheaply.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them?? I find it hard to believe that the Govt at that time had the wherewithall to do what those men did.

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the huge strides made by the RR in the last century the results of the rich, rich men who owned and ran them??

Weren't they called robber barons? They made a fortune off of crooked railroad contracts and the government encouraged them

Agreed. They were called Robber Barons.

They made millions but they also expanded the RR and just about everything else they were involved in. JP Morgan comes to mind but I know there were plenty more.