how can america claim to be fair and just when rich ppl get immensly better lawyers?

[blu]

shouldn't all people get a level playing field when in court? how can you claim the justice system is even worth upholding when rich people get better lawyers with connections to judges and DAs and then get let free or minimal punishment, while a poor person doing the same thing would spend years or their entire life in jail?

considering everything else is in the justice process is run by the government, except for jails which just hold already processed people, why can't trial lawyers work for hte government and each person be assigned a lawyer from a random pool?

 

[CMike]

Poor people can get better lawyers too, they just have to pay for them.

 

[blu]

Poor people can get better lawyers too, they just have to pay for them.

....

 

[CMike]

shouldn't all people get a level playing field when in court? how can you claim the justice system is even worth upholding when rich people get better lawyers with connections to judges and DAs and then get let free or minimal punishment, while a poor person doing the same thing would spend years or their entire life in jail?

considering everything else is in the justice process is run by the government, except for jails which just hold already processed people, why can't trial lawyers work for hte government and each person be assigned a lawyer from a random pool?

Because we don't live-in a communist country...yet.

 

[blu]

shouldn't all people get a level playing field when in court? how can you claim the justice system is even worth upholding when rich people get better lawyers with connections to judges and DAs and then get let free or minimal punishment, while a poor person doing the same thing would spend years or their entire life in jail?

considering everything else is in the justice process is run by the government, except for jails which just hold already processed people, why can't trial lawyers work for hte government and each person be assigned a lawyer from a random pool?

Because we don't live-in a communist country...yet.

so police, judges, government prosecutors, law makers, etc being run and paid for by the government is okay, but putting lawyers in that mix would suddenly make us communists?

 

[CMike]

How about accountants, plumbers, and builders too?

 

[boedicca]

If you can't afford a lawyer, you can get a court appointed one. You are not denied representation.

 

[boedicca]

How about accountants, plumbers, and builders too?

Or....houses. Oh wait, we tried that already, and it nearly killed the economy.

 

[blu]

How about accountants, plumbers, and builders too?

what do those have to do with the justice system? you are really fucking stupid

 

[blu]

If you can't afford a lawyer, you can get a court appointed one. You are not denied representation.

ok... where did I say you don't get representation? I said you get shitty representation and will likely be charged with whatever the judge and prosecutor wants while rich people will get away with it and be able to commit more crimes

 

[hortysir]

So work harder, get a better education, a better paying job, and pay for a better lawyer.
What's holding you back?

 

[Gremlin-USA]

so work harder, get a better education, a better paying job, and pay for a better lawyer.
What's holding you back?

+1

 

[boedicca]

If you can't afford a lawyer, you can get a court appointed one. You are not denied representation.

ok... where did I say you don't get representation? I said you get shitty representation and will likely be charged with whatever the judge and prosecutor wants while rich people will get away with it and be able to commit more crimes

But I thought Obama was telling college graduates to eschew money:

Yet, in his commencement address at Arizona State University on May 13, 2009, President Obama warned against precisely such impulses: "You're taught to chase after all the usual brass rings; you try to be on this "who's who" list or that Top 100 list; you chase after the big money and you figure out how big your corner office is; you worry about whether you have a fancy enough title or a fancy enough car. That's the message that's sent each and every day, or has been in our culture for far too long -- that through material possessions, through a ruthless competition pursued only on your own behalf -- that's how you will measure success." Such ambition, he cautioned, "may lead you to compromise your values and your principles."

washingtonpost.com


All those public defenders are being consistent with Obamanomics - you should be happy with them as the adhere to your belief system.

 

[WillowTree]

shouldn't all people get a level playing field when in court? how can you claim the justice system is even worth upholding when rich people get better lawyers with connections to judges and DAs and then get let free or minimal punishment, while a poor person doing the same thing would spend years or their entire life in jail?

considering everything else is in the justice process is run by the government, except for jails which just hold already processed people, why can't trial lawyers work for hte government and each person be assigned a lawyer from a random pool?

you are aware are you knot that the so called "good lawyers" the "intelligent ivy league" lawyers.. the obie wan's and his ilk are what has this country all screwed up.. right?? well now you know.

 

[blu]

So work harder, get a better education, a better paying job, and pay for a better lawyer.
What's holding you back?

is this thread about me? whats holding you back from making substantive posts instead of fallacy?

 

[blu]

If you can't afford a lawyer, you can get a court appointed one. You are not denied representation.

ok... where did I say you don't get representation? I said you get shitty representation and will likely be charged with whatever the judge and prosecutor wants while rich people will get away with it and be able to commit more crimes

But I thought Obama was telling college graduates to eschew money:

Yet, in his commencement address at Arizona State University on May 13, 2009, President Obama warned against precisely such impulses: "You're taught to chase after all the usual brass rings; you try to be on this "who's who" list or that Top 100 list; you chase after the big money and you figure out how big your corner office is; you worry about whether you have a fancy enough title or a fancy enough car. That's the message that's sent each and every day, or has been in our culture for far too long -- that through material possessions, through a ruthless competition pursued only on your own behalf -- that's how you will measure success." Such ambition, he cautioned, "may lead you to compromise your values and your principles."

washingtonpost.com


All those public defenders are being consistent with Obamanomics - you should be happy with them as the adhere to your belief system.

where did obama get mentioned?

 

[blu]

shouldn't all people get a level playing field when in court? how can you claim the justice system is even worth upholding when rich people get better lawyers with connections to judges and DAs and then get let free or minimal punishment, while a poor person doing the same thing would spend years or their entire life in jail?

considering everything else is in the justice process is run by the government, except for jails which just hold already processed people, why can't trial lawyers work for hte government and each person be assigned a lawyer from a random pool?

you are aware are you knot that the so called "good lawyers" the "intelligent ivy league" lawyers.. the obie wan's and his ilk are what has this country all screwed up.. right?? well now you know.

not a single reply, including this one, has addressed the OP...

 

[boedicca]

We don't buy into your inane assumption that equality of justice means equality of legal bills.

 

[blu]

We don't buy into your inane assumption that equality of justice means equality of legal bills.

so you have equality of justice when not all people get the same resources and treatment? all people get the same judges, cops, prosecutors, etc but don't get the same lawyers to defend them. how is that equal?

 

[boedicca]

To have the exact same resources would require both parties to have the same lawyer.

Sorry bub, equality of inputs is not an inalienable right.