How can a conservative possibly support Newt? I don't get it

[WillowTree]

If we're holding Obama accountable for his affiliations with questionable people, we're going to do it with everyone else too.

Newt's "friends" are people who'd like to see borders erased around the world and the constitution replaced.

No real conservative who was loyal to the United States would endorse this kind of shit, let alone write a forward for it.

you didn't hold obama accoutable asswarp, you elected him.

 

[JoeB131]

Here is a sample of a list of his biggest negatives...this guy is fucking WHACKED:

- Voted for NAFTA, which handed a portion of our commercial sovereignty over to non-US interests.

- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increasing federal spending
- Voted for the creation of the Dept. of Education
- from 1994-95 he voted for &45 billion in foreign aid
- voted to raise the debt ceiling 4 times
- Pushed Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to the UN for various missions
- $40 billion in S&L bailouts
- Cheated on his ex wife while she was sick and served her divorce papers while she was in the hospital. This has little to do with anything other than the guy's character, which ought to make any conservative "family first" advocate SICK.
- Co-sponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
- Voted for an amendment to create a national police corps.
- Helped Clinton give Mexico $52 billion in a bailout to save the Peso.
- Supported federal tax dollars being spent on abortions
- Helped a Clinton style democrat switch parties just to run against a republican congressman he didn't like
- Introduced a House Resolution that would impose a life sentence or execution for a mere 2 ounces of marijuana being brought across the border.
- Not a friend to gun rights at all - He supported a federal biometrics database that would require thumb printing to purchase guns.
- Said he would have voted for TARP because "something needed to be done".

And last but not least, and maybe the scariest thing about this guy, is his friendship with Alvin and Heidi Toffler, Marxists who wrote a book titled "Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave", a book detailing how the Constitution should be "reconsidered and altered" and that the current system of government should "die and be replaced".

Here's a few pieces from that book:


Newt endorsed and wrote the forward for this book, and calls these 2 people friends.

How does this guy not scare the living fucking shit out of you???

So your argument is that in a 35 year career, he's done a few things you disagree with...

Sorry, I don't have family members I agree with on everything..

 

[Annie]

At least Willow posted some of the book. I am looking for what Gingrich wrote, since that was the point of the OP. I'm sure that a great intellect like Paulie wouldn't have been using the forward to bash Newt, whom I don't support so far, without having read it. Indeed, one would think with all the outrage, he'd have a copy available to scan the forward and post.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here is a sample of a list of his biggest negatives...this guy is fucking WHACKED:

- Voted for NAFTA, which handed a portion of our commercial sovereignty over to non-US interests.

- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increasing federal spending
- Voted for the creation of the Dept. of Education
- from 1994-95 he voted for &45 billion in foreign aid
- voted to raise the debt ceiling 4 times
- Pushed Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to the UN for various missions
- $40 billion in S&L bailouts
- Cheated on his ex wife while she was sick and served her divorce papers while she was in the hospital. This has little to do with anything other than the guy's character, which ought to make any conservative "family first" advocate SICK.
- Co-sponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
- Voted for an amendment to create a national police corps.
- Helped Clinton give Mexico $52 billion in a bailout to save the Peso.
- Supported federal tax dollars being spent on abortions
- Helped a Clinton style democrat switch parties just to run against a republican congressman he didn't like
- Introduced a House Resolution that would impose a life sentence or execution for a mere 2 ounces of marijuana being brought across the border.
- Not a friend to gun rights at all - He supported a federal biometrics database that would require thumb printing to purchase guns.
- Said he would have voted for TARP because "something needed to be done".

And last but not least, and maybe the scariest thing about this guy, is his friendship with Alvin and Heidi Toffler, Marxists who wrote a book titled "Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave", a book detailing how the Constitution should be "reconsidered and altered" and that the current system of government should "die and be replaced".

Here's a few pieces from that book:

The time has come for the next great step forward in American politics. It is not a matter of Democrats versus Republicans, or of left and right...but something more significant...a clear distinction between rear-guard politicians who wish to preserve or restore an unworkable past and those who are ready to transition to what we call a “Third Wave” information-age society…

A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men everywhere are trying to suppress it. This new civilization brings with it new family styles, changed ways...a new economy, new political conflicts, and...altered consciousness... Humanity faces a quantum leap forward. This is the meaning of the Third Wave…

Our argument is based on what we call the “revolutionary premise”... The revolutionary premise liberates our intellect and will.

Nationalism is...First Wave. The globalization of business and finance required by advancing Third Wave economies routinely punctures the national “sovereignty” the nationalists hold so dear...

As economies are transformed by the Third Wave, they are compelled to surrender part of their sovereignty... Poets and intellectuals of Third Wave states sing the virtues of a “borderless” world and “planetary consciousness.”

The Third Wave...demassifies culture, values, and morality... There are more diverse religious belief systems.

The Constitution of the United States needs to be reconsidered and altered...to create a whole new structure of government... Building a Third Wave civilization on the wreckage of Second Wave institutions involves the design of new, more appropriate political structures... The system that served us so well must, in its turn, die and be replaced.

Newt endorsed and wrote the forward for this book, and calls these 2 people friends.

How does this guy not scare the living fucking shit out of you???

He also balanced the Federal Budget.

He also claimed that Clinton's 1993 budget would put us into recession.

 

[Dot Com]

This Repub nomination is turning out to be a real hoot. Noot was the last guy to be considered after everyone else flamed- out & he has more baggage than most of them LOL not limited to the $1.6- $1.8 million he took from Freddie Mac

 

[dblack]

Sadly, our elections have always came down to "the worse of two evils"

Which is the voters’ fault.

And the solution is either too elusive or too difficult.

I've made similar condemnations myself. And there's undeniably a 'least common denominator' effect when it comes to public opinion. But, I also think that there is something inherent in plurality, winner-take-all elections. They seem to encourage 'lesser-of-two-evils' thinking and a clear partisan divide. Reforming our voting system could do a lot to change things for the better. Not really something most people wanna talk about though.

 

[Annie]

Wow, seems Paulie is channeling Ann Couter!

Newt presents a fresh new virtual face | newt, tofflers, gingrich - Ann Coulter - Appeal-Democrat

Ann Coulter: Newt presents a fresh new virtual face
December 10, 2011 07:56:19 PM

Before you newly active Republicans commit to Newt Gingrich as your presidential nominee on the basis of the recent debates, here's a bit of Newt history you ought to know. I promise you, it's going to come up if he's the candidate.

The day after the Republicans' historic takeover of the House of Representatives in the 1994 election, Newt was off and running, giving a series of Fidel Castro-style speeches about "the Third Wave information revolution." It had the unmistakable ring of lingo from his new-age gurus, Alvin and Heidi Toffler.

(Newt, who was married at the time, also began dating again.)

A few weeks later, when Newt was elected House speaker by the incoming Republican conference, there was a small elderly couple standing by his side as he gave a one-hour acceptance speech. It soon became clear who they were, when he issued a reading list to the Republican legislators. At the top of the list was a book by the Tofflers...

Read more: Newt presents a fresh new virtual face | newt, tofflers, gingrich - Ann Coulter - Appeal-Democrat

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Tea partiers should remember that Newt supported so-called liberal Republican Dede Scozzafava over tea party candidate Doug Hoffmann in that 2009 NY23 race.

To be fair to Gingrich (!)…

He’s the ‘true republican,’ not the TPM; Gingrich believes government does have a role to play in public policy, the problem is he’s got the wrong ideas and is clearly ignorant of certain facts, such as the Supreme Court is in the Constitution.

The problem is the TPM: their radical, naïve, unrealistic extremism and bizarre desire to ‘drown the government in a bathtub’ that’s anathema to the responsible governance once practiced by republicans as a whole.

 

[asaratis]

Here is a sample of a list of his biggest negatives...this guy is fucking WHACKED:

- Voted for NAFTA, which handed a portion of our commercial sovereignty over to non-US interests.

- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increasing federal spending
- Voted for the creation of the Dept. of Education
- from 1994-95 he voted for &45 billion in foreign aid
- voted to raise the debt ceiling 4 times
- Pushed Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to the UN for various missions
- $40 billion in S&L bailouts
- Cheated on his ex wife while she was sick and served her divorce papers while she was in the hospital. This has little to do with anything other than the guy's character, which ought to make any conservative "family first" advocate SICK.
- Co-sponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
- Voted for an amendment to create a national police corps.
- Helped Clinton give Mexico $52 billion in a bailout to save the Peso.
- Supported federal tax dollars being spent on abortions
- Helped a Clinton style democrat switch parties just to run against a republican congressman he didn't like
- Introduced a House Resolution that would impose a life sentence or execution for a mere 2 ounces of marijuana being brought across the border.
- Not a friend to gun rights at all - He supported a federal biometrics database that would require thumb printing to purchase guns.
- Said he would have voted for TARP because "something needed to be done".

And last but not least, and maybe the scariest thing about this guy, is his friendship with Alvin and Heidi Toffler, Marxists who wrote a book titled "Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave", a book detailing how the Constitution should be "reconsidered and altered" and that the current system of government should "die and be replaced".

Here's a few pieces from that book:

The time has come for the next great step forward in American politics. It is not a matter of Democrats versus Republicans, or of left and right...but something more significant...a clear distinction between rear-guard politicians who wish to preserve or restore an unworkable past and those who are ready to transition to what we call a “Third Wave” information-age society…

A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men everywhere are trying to suppress it. This new civilization brings with it new family styles, changed ways...a new economy, new political conflicts, and...altered consciousness... Humanity faces a quantum leap forward. This is the meaning of the Third Wave…

Our argument is based on what we call the “revolutionary premise”... The revolutionary premise liberates our intellect and will.

Nationalism is...First Wave. The globalization of business and finance required by advancing Third Wave economies routinely punctures the national “sovereignty” the nationalists hold so dear...

As economies are transformed by the Third Wave, they are compelled to surrender part of their sovereignty... Poets and intellectuals of Third Wave states sing the virtues of a “borderless” world and “planetary consciousness.”

The Third Wave...demassifies culture, values, and morality... There are more diverse religious belief systems.

The Constitution of the United States needs to be reconsidered and altered...to create a whole new structure of government... Building a Third Wave civilization on the wreckage of Second Wave institutions involves the design of new, more appropriate political structures... The system that served us so well must, in its turn, die and be replaced.

Newt endorsed and wrote the forward for this book, and calls these 2 people friends.

How does this guy not scare the living fucking shit out of you???

Your list is quite flawed. The bit about the hospital bed and the serving of papers is total bullshit. Even his children say so.

Despite Newt's multiple marriages, he is infinitely more qualified to lead this nation that the BoyKing Obama...and he's NOT a frickin' Marxist!

 

[Jackson]

This Repub nomination is turning out to be a real hoot. Noot was the last guy to be considered after everyone else flamed- out & he has more baggage than most of them LOL not limited to the $1.6- $1.8 million he took from Freddie Mac

Lol, that's what the vetting process does when it is correctly applied. It pulls up the best candidate. Obama was pulled up in 2008 but now he will be more thoroughly vetted with the record he has. Can't forget that.

 

[Jackson]

Here is a sample of a list of his biggest negatives...this guy is fucking WHACKED:

- Voted for NAFTA, which handed a portion of our commercial sovereignty over to non-US interests.

- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increasing federal spending
- Voted for the creation of the Dept. of Education
- from 1994-95 he voted for &45 billion in foreign aid
- voted to raise the debt ceiling 4 times
- Pushed Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to the UN for various missions
- $40 billion in S&L bailouts
- Cheated on his ex wife while she was sick and served her divorce papers while she was in the hospital. This has little to do with anything other than the guy's character, which ought to make any conservative "family first" advocate SICK.
- Co-sponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
- Voted for an amendment to create a national police corps.
- Helped Clinton give Mexico $52 billion in a bailout to save the Peso.
- Supported federal tax dollars being spent on abortions
- Helped a Clinton style democrat switch parties just to run against a republican congressman he didn't like
- Introduced a House Resolution that would impose a life sentence or execution for a mere 2 ounces of marijuana being brought across the border.
- Not a friend to gun rights at all - He supported a federal biometrics database that would require thumb printing to purchase guns.
- Said he would have voted for TARP because "something needed to be done".

And last but not least, and maybe the scariest thing about this guy, is his friendship with Alvin and Heidi Toffler, Marxists who wrote a book titled "Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave", a book detailing how the Constitution should be "reconsidered and altered" and that the current system of government should "die and be replaced".

Here's a few pieces from that book:

The time has come for the next great step forward in American politics. It is not a matter of Democrats versus Republicans, or of left and right...but something more significant...a clear distinction between rear-guard politicians who wish to preserve or restore an unworkable past and those who are ready to transition to what we call a “Third Wave” information-age society…

A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men everywhere are trying to suppress it. This new civilization brings with it new family styles, changed ways...a new economy, new political conflicts, and...altered consciousness... Humanity faces a quantum leap forward. This is the meaning of the Third Wave…

Our argument is based on what we call the “revolutionary premise”... The revolutionary premise liberates our intellect and will.

Nationalism is...First Wave. The globalization of business and finance required by advancing Third Wave economies routinely punctures the national “sovereignty” the nationalists hold so dear...

As economies are transformed by the Third Wave, they are compelled to surrender part of their sovereignty... Poets and intellectuals of Third Wave states sing the virtues of a “borderless” world and “planetary consciousness.”

The Third Wave...demassifies culture, values, and morality... There are more diverse religious belief systems.

The Constitution of the United States needs to be reconsidered and altered...to create a whole new structure of government... Building a Third Wave civilization on the wreckage of Second Wave institutions involves the design of new, more appropriate political structures... The system that served us so well must, in its turn, die and be replaced.

Newt endorsed and wrote the forward for this book, and calls these 2 people friends.

How does this guy not scare the living fucking shit out of you???

That scares you when Obama's last three years does not? Whoa!

 

[Dot Com]

Payland was right!!! He's a crony capitalist. Oh wait..... she was talking about Perry Well..... it still applies

 

[pvsi.]

How can a conservative possibly support Newt? I don't get it

Same reason men often date shemales - "they're even better then the real thing" (until you bust the nut and start paying attention to details, like the voice, facial hair etc.)

 

[hortysir]

Yeah and Obama's affiliations scared the shit out of the right. So why don't Newt's?

Not saying it doesn't.
Just that to think it would stop a candidate from being elected is naive.

Sadly, our elections have always came down to "the worse of two evils"

I don't expect a lot of liberals to understand why Obama's past affiliations were detrimental, but I do expect a little better than that from conservatives, which is why I would certainly expect something like this to kill Newt's chances of getting the nomination.

I mean, besides having a voting record that looks like today's Democrat, he's got some really questionable supporting views that transcend US loyalty.

But then I'm stuck deciding between Obama-lite-Romney, Yee-haw-pray-with-me-Perry, or Uncle-shut down the borders and piss on the world-Scrooge-Paul.



Oh well.
Whomever gets the nod will be paid for by the Bildergurg Group anyway.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Here is a sample of a list of his biggest negatives...this guy is fucking WHACKED:

- Voted for NAFTA, which handed a portion of our commercial sovereignty over to non-US interests.

- Supported GATT
- Supported WTO
- Continually supported increasing federal spending
- Voted for the creation of the Dept. of Education
- from 1994-95 he voted for &45 billion in foreign aid
- voted to raise the debt ceiling 4 times
- Pushed Clinton to expand military presence in Bosnia
- Supported spending $30B for the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that shackled gun owners with new restrictions, federalized a number of crimes, and handed the feds police powers that the Constitution reserves to the states.
- Voted to give billions of dollars to the UN for various missions
- $40 billion in S&L bailouts
- Cheated on his ex wife while she was sick and served her divorce papers while she was in the hospital. This has little to do with anything other than the guy's character, which ought to make any conservative "family first" advocate SICK.
- Co-sponsored the 1987 Fairness Doctrine
- Voted for an amendment to create a national police corps.
- Helped Clinton give Mexico $52 billion in a bailout to save the Peso.
- Supported federal tax dollars being spent on abortions
- Helped a Clinton style democrat switch parties just to run against a republican congressman he didn't like
- Introduced a House Resolution that would impose a life sentence or execution for a mere 2 ounces of marijuana being brought across the border.
- Not a friend to gun rights at all - He supported a federal biometrics database that would require thumb printing to purchase guns.
- Said he would have voted for TARP because "something needed to be done".

And last but not least, and maybe the scariest thing about this guy, is his friendship with Alvin and Heidi Toffler, Marxists who wrote a book titled "Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave", a book detailing how the Constitution should be "reconsidered and altered" and that the current system of government should "die and be replaced".

Here's a few pieces from that book:

The time has come for the next great step forward in American politics. It is not a matter of Democrats versus Republicans, or of left and right...but something more significant...a clear distinction between rear-guard politicians who wish to preserve or restore an unworkable past and those who are ready to transition to what we call a “Third Wave” information-age society…

A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men everywhere are trying to suppress it. This new civilization brings with it new family styles, changed ways...a new economy, new political conflicts, and...altered consciousness... Humanity faces a quantum leap forward. This is the meaning of the Third Wave…

Our argument is based on what we call the “revolutionary premise”... The revolutionary premise liberates our intellect and will.

Nationalism is...First Wave. The globalization of business and finance required by advancing Third Wave economies routinely punctures the national “sovereignty” the nationalists hold so dear...

As economies are transformed by the Third Wave, they are compelled to surrender part of their sovereignty... Poets and intellectuals of Third Wave states sing the virtues of a “borderless” world and “planetary consciousness.”

The Third Wave...demassifies culture, values, and morality... There are more diverse religious belief systems.

The Constitution of the United States needs to be reconsidered and altered...to create a whole new structure of government... Building a Third Wave civilization on the wreckage of Second Wave institutions involves the design of new, more appropriate political structures... The system that served us so well must, in its turn, die and be replaced.

Newt endorsed and wrote the forward for this book, and calls these 2 people friends.

How does this guy not scare the living fucking shit out of you???

I don't, and I don't think most of us would if the media gave equal time to all participants.

It's easy to make a story out of Nwet, since he's such a douche and if he does get the nod, the media can go on and on about how much bullshit the conservative movement was.


Unless someone else makes a valid run, Newt gets the nom and the WH.