How big are we gonna let this snowball get as it rolls down the hill?

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    I kind of wonder about this...I think you have a point...are false charges abounding?

    On the other hand...in the 1970's...most rapes and harrassment did not get reported. Women's reputations would be trashed in court...or, the man was powerful enough that they didn't dare report it. Let me point out Weinstein as an example there.
     
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    Such as we see from you on just about a daily basis? ;)

    The only "assassination" comes from the people who shun/fire/vilify the accused. So, I guess you could do your part and stand up for the poor accused. People do, you know. And sometimes they are right.

    Gonna stand up for Weinstein?
     
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    If unrapeable was a word...
     
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    "See something, say something. Tell your family. Tell your friends. Tell the authorities at the time."

    And what difference would that make? You would have exactly as much evidence (none), right? And this campaign to expose this behavior is hoping to accomplish Eexactly what you are saying: that people will do what you said, without fear.

    The guy who "got caught"... How did he get caught?
     
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    What I am saying cc is that the effect over the short term is the same whether the charges are true or not. A typical democratic template.
     
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    What I find pathetic about this thread is that you are profoundly ignorant of the psychology that victims of sexual assault go through. The reason why victims wait years or decades to report sexual assault is because their experience brings a lot of shame and embarrassment. They don’t like acknowledging it to themselves let alone admitting it to someone.

    All of this is pretty easy to believe if you tried a little cognitive empathy, Gramps. Imagine that a male who is stronger than you overpowered and raped you. Would you want your friends to know you were put into submission by another guy? How about your family? Would you tell them? You would also struggle admitting it to law enforcement more than likely.

    Now are some of the allegations fake? Sure, it’s entirely possible, but don’t dismiss them just because the crime passes the statute of limitations. It really doesn’t make any sense for someone to fabricate a rape story by including that it happened decades ago. If they want the charges to stick, why wouldn’t they just say it happened last month?
     
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    Bullshit. If you're accused of a crime and found not guilty, the "not guilty" verdict vindicates you. You stated that the accused has to prove the accusations false. Why should one have to provide further proof when the verdict already did that? This is your last chance.
     
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    The "not guilty" verdict removes all liability for the crime. It does not, then, either accuse, imply, state, or impune in any way the accuser as a liar.


    I am not saying that the accused has to prove the accusation false, in order to be acquitted. I say that it would have to be proven that false accusations were knowingly made, in order to hold the accused liable for them.
     
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    And how do you make a false allegation without knowing it?
     
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    Test what out? "Lie detectors" have been tested, but were never proven to work. How does agreeing to take a bogus "test" prove or disprove someone as a liar?

    Passing or failing a bogus test means nothing. Refusing a bogus test proves nothing.


    Some states charge them as felonies and even misdemeanors can result in jail time.

    How is that punishment? Gee, I dunno...
     
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