How bad is it?

[shintao]

Germany is a major powerhouse now and it's been conservative under Merkel.

Andrea basically told Obama to stick it where the sun don't shine at the last two G20 over exports and deficits.

The Idiot in Chief actually wanted everybody to reign in their exports to make economies more "balanced".

Needless to say, Merkel did not mince words.

France is conservative now and so is Britain.

You would have to show why you think Germany or France is conservative. Just because Obama is whatever the hell he is, that doesn't make America anything other than a capitalist society.

Merkel is head of the conservative Angela Merkel, German Chancellor and leader of the conservative party Christian Democratic Union (CDU).



There's your first hint.

Conservative Government Takes Over in FranceMonday, November 15th, 2010 at 5:05 pm UTC Posted 1 week ago
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s new staunchly conservative government began work Monday, cleared of political centrists and left-wing converts known for their more liberal leanings.

The newly reshuffled government is seen as boosting Mr. Sarkozy’s drooping popularity ahead of presidential elections in 2012.


I believe that would be the second hint I could give to you.

As far as Europe goes, there is no doubt that their parties are conservative.

Yeah, while I awaited an answer, I did some discorvery on my own showing Germany and France are very much engaged in buy businesses up for the state government. That doesn't sound capitalistic to me. Here, give me a hand in understanding the inormation I gathered.

Germany
The German railways were nationalised after World War I. Partial privatisation of Deutsche Bahn is currently underway, as of 2008.

Most enterprises in East Germany were nationalised following World War II. After reunification, an agency, Treuhand, was established to return them to private ownership. However, due to structural and economic problems inherent in the previous regime, many of these had to be liquidated.

2008 Renationalization of the "Bundesdruckerei" (Federal Print Office), which had been privatized in 2001.
Nationalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today's £1.59bn takeover of the bus and rail firm Arriva, Britain's second largest transport provider, by Deutsche Bahn, which is 100 per cent owned by the German government,

Even before today's transaction, Deutsche Bahn already owned Britain's largest rail freight company (which operates the Royal Train) and Chiltern Railways: in addition they have a 50 per cent stake in London Overground and the Wrexham, Shropshire and Marylebone Railway and, since April 1, have also run Tyne and Wear Metro.

As for British utilities, EDF Energy, a subsidiary of the French state-owned EDF, supplies 5.5m customers in the UK. Last year, EDF Energy also took control of the privatised British Energy, the UK's largest electricity generator and operator of Britain's nuclear power stations.

Campaign For Public Ownership: The German state buys Britain’s ‘privatised’ trains- and why it won’t stop there


French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans to expand government control over state-owned companies, naming board members to represent its interests and increasing financing to manufacturers in a bid to stem industrial decline.

“The state must completely overhaul its shareholder’s role in the big industrial companies,” Sarkozy said today in southern France, according to a copy of a speech e-mailed by his office. “The state will now be represented by at least two administrators in each company it has shares in,” he said.

The state is the majority shareholder in Aeroports de Paris SA, Electricite de France SA and Areva SA. It’s the biggest investor in France Telecom SA, Air France-KLM, Thales SA, GDF Suez SA, Renault SA, and shipmaker STX France.

Industry represents 16 percent of “added value” in France’s economy, compared with 30 percent in Germany and 23 percent in Italy, Sarkozy told an audience of industrialists and local officials at the Eurocopter SA helicopter plant at Marseille’s Marignane airport. The state should raise this to 18 percent by 2015, according to a separate e-mailed statement.

Sarkozy Plans to Tighten Grip on State-Owned Firms (Update1) - BusinessWeek

 

[tinydancer]

North Korea = Communism

South Korea = Capitalism

See the difference?

 

[shintao]

Looks like Socialism is taking the World lead, and Capitalism is headed into the shitter. I will be curious to see how the cons will play this bad news as Socialism kicks their ass, and countries like Russia & China just said FU to the USD as a trade dollar. All the kings capitalist men are setting on their money & preparing to depart America, no right winged loyalty huh? Interesting how a little country like Germany is exporting more Socialist products to the world than the big bad American capitalists are. Being so much smaller, they must have those factories humming, while American continues to shut down and lay off. What do you make of that? And the Socialists are doing it working under 40 hour weeks, taking mandatory 45 day paid vacations, and twice as many paid holidays, full medical and retirement, than poor capitalist Americans experience. So our factories must be barely turning over.

EXPORTS

1 World $16.280.000.000.000
2 European Union $1.952.000.000.000
3 Germany $1.530.000.000.000
4 China $1.465.000.000.000
5 United States $1.377.000.000.000
6 Japan $776.800.000.000

Exports 2009 country ranks


GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT (IMF)

1. European Union 16,414,697
2. United States 14,119,050
3. Japan 5,068,894
4. PRC 4,984,731

speaking of spiraling down the shitter....

Your on a stoopid role today. 2, at least 2 dumb a dirt posts.

I can't help it if your an imbecile & not up to the challenge of 2 intellectual posts the cons lost their asses on. Sorry.

Are you aware that in 3 EU countries there are riots where the government slaves, like you, are setting fire to peoples property b/c their government is out of money?

Oh my!! And to think we set fire to churchs because people are black. You just never know about fire do you.

yeah, yeah you are, and you are dumb enough to still want this crap.

Ahh, what is that? A failing capitalist system that even Germany is out pacing while corporations (You heros) set on a Trillion dollars and watch America go down the shitter! Boy! Tough call, huh?

And you use Russia and china as great examples? Damn that is fucked up! Do you know how many millions, tens of millions were murdered to put dictators in control of those countries?

Do you want that here?

Well it is a fact that you & your capitalist crony's are on their way out the door, from all indications. Do you know how many were slaughtered to put capitalists in control of most of he world? My my!! We just massacred a 1/2 million in the ME. Tsk! Have we no shame? And then turned up the torture on human beings like Hitler did. Did the Russians torture? How about China?

Of course the point here is, why is Capitalism failing in America? How bad is it? Its not a money problem, corporations have a trillion, banks are rolling in it, wallstreet stuffed their pockets. millions are laid off. What is the problem we are failing and little countries like Germany are running us over?

 

[tinydancer]

You would have to show why you think Germany or France is conservative. Just because Obama is whatever the hell he is, that doesn't make America anything other than a capitalist society.

Merkel is head of the conservative Angela Merkel, German Chancellor and leader of the conservative party Christian Democratic Union (CDU).



There's your first hint.

Conservative Government Takes Over in FranceMonday, November 15th, 2010 at 5:05 pm UTC Posted 1 week ago
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s new staunchly conservative government began work Monday, cleared of political centrists and left-wing converts known for their more liberal leanings.

The newly reshuffled government is seen as boosting Mr. Sarkozy’s drooping popularity ahead of presidential elections in 2012.


I believe that would be the second hint I could give to you.

As far as Europe goes, there is no doubt that their parties are conservative.

Yeah, while I awaited an answer, I did some discorvery on my own showing Germany and France are very much engaged in buy businesses up for the state government. That doesn't sound capitalistic to me. Here, give me a hand in understanding the inormation I gathered.

Germany
The German railways were nationalised after World War I. Partial privatisation of Deutsche Bahn is currently underway, as of 2008.

Most enterprises in East Germany were nationalised following World War II. After reunification, an agency, Treuhand, was established to return them to private ownership. However, due to structural and economic problems inherent in the previous regime, many of these had to be liquidated.

2008 Renationalization of the "Bundesdruckerei" (Federal Print Office), which had been privatized in 2001.
Nationalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today's £1.59bn takeover of the bus and rail firm Arriva, Britain's second largest transport provider, by Deutsche Bahn, which is 100 per cent owned by the German government,

Even before today's transaction, Deutsche Bahn already owned Britain's largest rail freight company (which operates the Royal Train) and Chiltern Railways: in addition they have a 50 per cent stake in London Overground and the Wrexham, Shropshire and Marylebone Railway and, since April 1, have also run Tyne and Wear Metro.

As for British utilities, EDF Energy, a subsidiary of the French state-owned EDF, supplies 5.5m customers in the UK. Last year, EDF Energy also took control of the privatised British Energy, the UK's largest electricity generator and operator of Britain's nuclear power stations.

Campaign For Public Ownership: The German state buys Britain’s ‘privatised’ trains- and why it won’t stop there


French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans to expand government control over state-owned companies, naming board members to represent its interests and increasing financing to manufacturers in a bid to stem industrial decline.

“The state must completely overhaul its shareholder’s role in the big industrial companies,” Sarkozy said today in southern France, according to a copy of a speech e-mailed by his office. “The state will now be represented by at least two administrators in each company it has shares in,” he said.

The state is the majority shareholder in Aeroports de Paris SA, Electricite de France SA and Areva SA. It’s the biggest investor in France Telecom SA, Air France-KLM, Thales SA, GDF Suez SA, Renault SA, and shipmaker STX France.

Industry represents 16 percent of “added value” in France’s economy, compared with 30 percent in Germany and 23 percent in Italy, Sarkozy told an audience of industrialists and local officials at the Eurocopter SA helicopter plant at Marseille’s Marignane airport. The state should raise this to 18 percent by 2015, according to a separate e-mailed statement.

Sarkozy Plans to Tighten Grip on State-Owned Firms (Update1) - BusinessWeek

As far as I know most countries control or have a major stake in their major rail/ transport systems. Capitalist countries included.

Same with energy.

 

[tinydancer]

Looks like Socialism is taking the World lead, and Capitalism is headed into the shitter. I will be curious to see how the cons will play this bad news as Socialism kicks their ass, and countries like Russia & China just said FU to the USD as a trade dollar. All the kings capitalist men are setting on their money & preparing to depart America, no right winged loyalty huh? Interesting how a little country like Germany is exporting more Socialist products to the world than the big bad American capitalists are. Being so much smaller, they must have those factories humming, while American continues to shut down and lay off. What do you make of that? And the Socialists are doing it working under 40 hour weeks, taking mandatory 45 day paid vacations, and twice as many paid holidays, full medical and retirement, than poor capitalist Americans experience. So our factories must be barely turning over.

EXPORTS

1 World $16.280.000.000.000
2 European Union $1.952.000.000.000
3 Germany $1.530.000.000.000
4 China $1.465.000.000.000
5 United States $1.377.000.000.000
6 Japan $776.800.000.000

Exports 2009 country ranks


GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT (IMF)

1. European Union 16,414,697
2. United States 14,119,050
3. Japan 5,068,894
4. PRC 4,984,731

speaking of spiraling down the shitter....

Your on a stoopid role today. 2, at least 2 dumb a dirt posts.



Are you aware that in 3 EU countries there are riots where the government slaves, like you, are setting fire to peoples property b/c their government is out of money?

yeah, yeah you are, and you are dumb enough to still want this crap.

Ahh, what is that? A failing capitalist system that even Germany is out pacing while corporations (You heros) set on a Trillion dollars and watch America go down the shitter! Boy! Tough call, huh?

And you use Russia and china as great examples? Damn that is fucked up! Do you know how many millions, tens of millions were murdered to put dictators in control of those countries?

Do you want that here?

Well it is a fact that you & your capitalist crony's are on their way out the door, from all indications. Do you know how many were slaughtered to put capitalists in control of most of he world? My my!! We just massacred a 1/2 million in the ME. Tsk! Have we no shame? And then turned up the torture on human beings like Hitler did. Did the Russians torture? How about China?

Of course the point here is, why is Capitalism failing in America? How bad is it? Its not a money problem, corporations have a trillion, banks are rolling in it, wallstreet stuffed their pockets. millions are laid off. What is the problem we are failing and little countries like Germany are running us over?

Are you nuts? How do you jump from a discussion of capitalism vs communism to massacres in the ME to freaking Russia and China torturing?

I'm getting a brain cramp just trying to embrace your logic.

 

[shintao]

Only in Shintao's world would export numbers be considered proof that socialism better.

If you like it so much Shintao, go move there. Do us all a favor.

You don't think export numbers showing us getting our ass kicked is a reason to worry. I guess in your imbecilic mind, the field of psychedelic flowers are blooming. Since you protect America failing, perhaps you are the one who should pack his shit and get out!!! That would be doing America a favor.

 

[shintao]

Merkel is head of the conservative Angela Merkel, German Chancellor and leader of the conservative party Christian Democratic Union (CDU).



There's your first hint.

Conservative Government Takes Over in FranceMonday, November 15th, 2010 at 5:05 pm UTC Posted 1 week ago
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s new staunchly conservative government began work Monday, cleared of political centrists and left-wing converts known for their more liberal leanings.

The newly reshuffled government is seen as boosting Mr. Sarkozy’s drooping popularity ahead of presidential elections in 2012.


I believe that would be the second hint I could give to you.

As far as Europe goes, there is no doubt that their parties are conservative.

Yeah, while I awaited an answer, I did some discorvery on my own showing Germany and France are very much engaged in buy businesses up for the state government. That doesn't sound capitalistic to me. Here, give me a hand in understanding the inormation I gathered.

Germany
The German railways were nationalised after World War I. Partial privatisation of Deutsche Bahn is currently underway, as of 2008.

Most enterprises in East Germany were nationalised following World War II. After reunification, an agency, Treuhand, was established to return them to private ownership. However, due to structural and economic problems inherent in the previous regime, many of these had to be liquidated.

2008 Renationalization of the "Bundesdruckerei" (Federal Print Office), which had been privatized in 2001.
Nationalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today's £1.59bn takeover of the bus and rail firm Arriva, Britain's second largest transport provider, by Deutsche Bahn, which is 100 per cent owned by the German government,

Even before today's transaction, Deutsche Bahn already owned Britain's largest rail freight company (which operates the Royal Train) and Chiltern Railways: in addition they have a 50 per cent stake in London Overground and the Wrexham, Shropshire and Marylebone Railway and, since April 1, have also run Tyne and Wear Metro.

As for British utilities, EDF Energy, a subsidiary of the French state-owned EDF, supplies 5.5m customers in the UK. Last year, EDF Energy also took control of the privatised British Energy, the UK's largest electricity generator and operator of Britain's nuclear power stations.

Campaign For Public Ownership: The German state buys Britain’s ‘privatised’ trains- and why it won’t stop there


French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans to expand government control over state-owned companies, naming board members to represent its interests and increasing financing to manufacturers in a bid to stem industrial decline.

“The state must completely overhaul its shareholder’s role in the big industrial companies,” Sarkozy said today in southern France, according to a copy of a speech e-mailed by his office. “The state will now be represented by at least two administrators in each company it has shares in,” he said.

The state is the majority shareholder in Aeroports de Paris SA, Electricite de France SA and Areva SA. It’s the biggest investor in France Telecom SA, Air France-KLM, Thales SA, GDF Suez SA, Renault SA, and shipmaker STX France.

Industry represents 16 percent of “added value” in France’s economy, compared with 30 percent in Germany and 23 percent in Italy, Sarkozy told an audience of industrialists and local officials at the Eurocopter SA helicopter plant at Marseille’s Marignane airport. The state should raise this to 18 percent by 2015, according to a separate e-mailed statement.

Sarkozy Plans to Tighten Grip on State-Owned Firms (Update1) - BusinessWeek

As far as I know most countries control or have a major stake in their major rail/ transport systems. Capitalist countries included.

Same with energy.

So when the means of production are in the government hands, is that a conservative country?

 

[shintao]

speaking of spiraling down the shitter....

Your on a stoopid role today. 2, at least 2 dumb a dirt posts.



Are you aware that in 3 EU countries there are riots where the government slaves, like you, are setting fire to peoples property b/c their government is out of money?

yeah, yeah you are, and you are dumb enough to still want this crap.

And you use Russia and china as great examples? Damn that is fucked up! Do you know how many millions, tens of millions were murdered to put dictators in control of those countries?

Do you want that here?

Well it is a fact that you & your capitalist crony's are on their way out the door, from all indications. Do you know how many were slaughtered to put capitalists in control of most of he world? My my!! We just massacred a 1/2 million in the ME. Tsk! Have we no shame? And then turned up the torture on human beings like Hitler did. Did the Russians torture? How about China?

Of course the point here is, why is Capitalism failing in America? How bad is it? Its not a money problem, corporations have a trillion, banks are rolling in it, wallstreet stuffed their pockets. millions are laid off. What is the problem we are failing and little countries like Germany are running us over?

Are you nuts? How do you jump from a discussion of capitalism vs communism to massacres in the ME to freaking Russia and China torturing?

I'm getting a brain cramp just trying to embrace your logic.

Should I just tell the other poster to fuck off, or be polite and respond. You make the call.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Looks like Socialism is taking the World lead, and Capitalism is headed into the shitter. I will be curious to see how the cons will play this bad news as Socialism kicks their ass, and countries like Russia & China just said FU to the USD as a trade dollar. All the kings capitalist men are setting on their money & preparing to depart America, no right winged loyalty huh? Interesting how a little country like Germany is exporting more Socialist products to the world than the big bad American capitalists are. Being so much smaller, they must have those factories humming, while American continues to shut down and lay off. What do you make of that? And the Socialists are doing it working under 40 hour weeks, taking mandatory 45 day paid vacations, and twice as many paid holidays, full medical and retirement, than poor capitalist Americans experience. So our factories must be barely turning over.

EXPORTS

1 World $16.280.000.000.000
2 European Union $1.952.000.000.000
3 Germany $1.530.000.000.000
4 China $1.465.000.000.000
5 United States $1.377.000.000.000
6 Japan $776.800.000.000

Exports 2009 country ranks


GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT (IMF)

1. European Union 16,414,697
2. United States 14,119,050
3. Japan 5,068,894
4. PRC 4,984,731

speaking of spiraling down the shitter....

Your on a stoopid role today. 2, at least 2 dumb a dirt posts.



Are you aware that in 3 EU countries there are riots where the government slaves, like you, are setting fire to peoples property b/c their government is out of money?

yeah, yeah you are, and you are dumb enough to still want this crap.

Ahh, what is that? A failing capitalist system that even Germany is out pacing while corporations (You heros) set on a Trillion dollars and watch America go down the shitter! Boy! Tough call, huh?

Not really. Capatalism can fix itself from multiple sources, slave systems, like socialism/communism, must be fixed from the source of thier problems, the government. Out of the entire EU, only Germany is doing well, so yeah, only a brain dead moron would want to follow suit.
And you use Russia and china as great examples? Damn that is fucked up! Do you know how many millions, tens of millions were murdered to put dictators in control of those countries?

Do you want that here?

Well it is a fact that you & your capitalist crony's are on their way out the door, from all indications. your deluded Do you know how many were slaughtered to put capitalists in control of most of he world? My my!! We just massacred a 1/2 million in the ME. That has nothing to do with capatalism you fucking disgracefull cum wad. Tsk! Have we no shame? Compared to you? I'm a saint. And then turned up the torture on human beings like Hitler did. Did you just compare waterboarding to what Hitler did? pfft pethetic little worm. Did the Russians torture? Yes.How about China? Yes.

Damn you are truly the biggest fucking fool in USMB. I used to think it was rdean, or flaygo, but you truly are a blind fool.

Of course the point here is, why is Capitalism failing in America? It's not. This is a bad bump in the road, the issue could resolve with some government regs, but not with the government doing and growing.How bad is it? Its not a money problem, corporations have a trillion, banks are rolling in it, wallstreet stuffed their pockets. millions are laid off. What is the problem we are failing and little countries like Germany are running us over?

The EU has been conditioned to accept being run by a central power. They went from powerful Lords to powerful government. The only real change is voting and the government must give them what they demand or they riot. And those riots are occuring now, not 50 years ago.

 

[The Rabbi]

The export and GDP numbers are proof that obama's programs are gross failures. That is the only cogent fact that needs emphasis here.

 

[KissMy]

They're beginning to reverse that trend by going back to conservatism. They're cutting spending instead of spending like they've been doing.

Yeah, they are starting to move away from socialism. They are finally realizing how much of a failure it really is.

You halfwits do realize that even the "Right-wing" parties in Europe are analogous to moderate Democrats (eg, Obama), don't you?

Wrong! Have you ever watched Parliament on C-SPAN?

 

[Claudette]

Guess OL'Shitthole hasn't watched the news lately either.

Guess he hasn't seem Europe having to bail out Greece, Ireland and they say Spain is next.

Germany is the major player there. Just hope they don't founder themselves bailing out all of Socialist Europe.

Oh yeah. socialism is just rockin on babe.

 

[editec]

Capitalism sounds like a good idea.

I'd like to see it in action someday.

But we have never really lived in a capitalist system.

Nobody ever has since capitalism cannot exist except in places where there is some central authority to oversee things.

And, if you buy into the Randian theory, all government is anti-capitalist.

 

[KissMy]

Capitalism sounds like a good idea.

I'd like to see it in action someday.

But we have never really lived in a capitalist system.

Nobody ever has since capitalism cannot exist except in places where there is some central authority to oversee things.

And, if you buy into the Randian theory, all government is anti-capitalist.

The closest we came was from 1776 to 1913. Then Federal reserve, taxes, control & laws brought the USA sweeping communism & the Great Depression.

In 1913 the lowest tax bracket paid 1% rate & the top tax bracket paid 7% rate.
by 1918 the lowest tax bracket paid 6% rate & the top tax bracket paid 77% rate.
Taxes & the Great Depression Peaked in 1944.
By 1944 the lowest tax bracket paid 23% rate & the top tax bracket paid 94% rate.
After 1945 tax rates dropped & the economy recovered.
By 1946 the lowest tax bracket paid 20% rate & the top tax bracket paid 91% rate.
In 1964 the Kennedy tax cut the lowest tax bracket to 16% rate & the top tax bracket to 70% rate & prosperity made a comeback.
In 1982 the Reagan tax cut set off the largest economic boom the world had ever seen.

 

[The Infidel]

North Korea = Communism

South Korea = Capitalism

See the difference?

Ive heard astronauts comment on this... very revealing photo indeed!

 

[Cuyo]

Yeah, they are starting to move away from socialism. They are finally realizing how much of a failure it really is.

You halfwits do realize that even the "Right-wing" parties in Europe are analogous to moderate Democrats (eg, Obama), don't you?

Wrong! Have you ever watched Parliament on C-SPAN?

YOU are a jackass.

List of political parties in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of political parties in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of political parties in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sarcozy's party is centre-right:
Union for a Popular Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The minority party in Spain is also described as "Centre-right" or "Liberal Conservatism:"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Spain)

If you're looking for the party that is to the right of American Republicans... doesn't exist in any meaningful capacity. Sorry. The rest of the world looks at you loons the same way we do; Unenlightened, a little bit nuts, intellectually bankrupt, malleable of mind via fear tactics.

 

[The Rabbi]

You halfwits do realize that even the "Right-wing" parties in Europe are analogous to moderate Democrats (eg, Obama), don't you?

Wrong! Have you ever watched Parliament on C-SPAN?

YOU are a jackass.

List of political parties in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of political parties in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of political parties in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sarcozy's party is centre-right:
Union for a Popular Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The minority party in Spain is also described as "Centre-right" or "Liberal Conservatism:"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Spain)

If you're looking for the party that is to the right of American Republicans... doesn't exist in any meaningful capacity. Sorry. The rest of the world looks at you loons the same way we do; Unenlightened, a little bit nuts, intellectually bankrupt, malleable of mind via fear tactics.

All of Germany's major parties are democratic-socialist. They argue over how much money to hand out in social welfare spending, not whether they should be doing it at all. I assume the same is true in France and the others.

 

[Cuyo]

Wrong! Have you ever watched Parliament on C-SPAN?

YOU are a jackass.

List of political parties in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of political parties in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of political parties in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sarcozy's party is centre-right:
Union for a Popular Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The minority party in Spain is also described as "Centre-right" or "Liberal Conservatism:"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_(Spain)

If you're looking for the party that is to the right of American Republicans... doesn't exist in any meaningful capacity. Sorry. The rest of the world looks at you loons the same way we do; Unenlightened, a little bit nuts, intellectually bankrupt, malleable of mind via fear tactics.

All of Germany's major parties are democratic-socialist. They argue over how much money to hand out in social welfare spending, not whether they should be doing it at all. I assume the same is true in France and the others.

So you agree with me. Thank you for that, and SuckMy, you owe me an apology.

 

[asterism]

Looks like Socialism is taking the World lead, and Capitalism is headed into the shitter. I will be curious to see how the cons will play this bad news as Socialism kicks their ass, and countries like Russia & China just said FU to the USD as a trade dollar. All the kings capitalist men are setting on their money & preparing to depart America, no right winged loyalty huh? Interesting how a little country like Germany is exporting more Socialist products to the world than the big bad American capitalists are. Being so much smaller, they must have those factories humming, while American continues to shut down and lay off. What do you make of that? And the Socialists are doing it working under 40 hour weeks, taking mandatory 45 day paid vacations, and twice as many paid holidays, full medical and retirement, than poor capitalist Americans experience. So our factories must be barely turning over.

EXPORTS

1 World $16.280.000.000.000
2 European Union $1.952.000.000.000
3 Germany $1.530.000.000.000
4 China $1.465.000.000.000
5 United States $1.377.000.000.000
6 Japan $776.800.000.000

Exports 2009 country ranks


GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT (IMF)

1. European Union 16,414,697
2. United States 14,119,050
3. Japan 5,068,894
4. PRC 4,984,731

Wait....

Capitalism is headed to the shitter because the many nations who make up the EU have a collectively greater GDP? On what planet is one being smaller than many considered bad? China exports, we consume. China depends on us more than we depend on them because our economy doesn't hinge on our ability to consume their products but their economic foundation is our consumption. Deeper conversations can be had about what issues we're creating themselves, but we still have the power. We're the country they need, and they can't "call their debt." They can't even sell the promise to pay.

 

[asterism]

Capitalism sounds like a good idea.

I'd like to see it in action someday.

But we have never really lived in a capitalist system.

Nobody ever has since capitalism cannot exist except in places where there is some central authority to oversee things.

And, if you buy into the Randian theory, all government is anti-capitalist.

Only if you buy into the leftist interpretation of Ayn Rand. Read the book and we can talk if you care.