How are Democrats pro-abortion but anti-school voucher?

[zeitgeist2012]

First off, govt does legislate morality, and where rulers lead people will tend to follow. This is demonstrated in scripture many times, in the US today, and in foreign dictatorships today.... The only way people can break free of moraless dictatorships is through knowledge gained outside the dictators, and armed revolt....

Laws are based on moral codes and rationales...they do not come out of thin air unless you are a dictator who can capriciously make law through decree based on a dictators personal likes or dislikes....+

The Founders borrowed a moral code from the Judeo-Christian scripturs to contruct our laws, and our Republic upon in order to preserve us and our Christian nation from other religious and secular tyrants of nations past and present....

The Founders knew that if we allow our God and his moral system of governing and law making to be subverted or removed by evil men they would attempt to play god themselves.... King George III, Hitler, Ceasers, Lenin, Stalin, Putin, Kim Jong-il, Hu Jintao, Mubarak, and Chazev to name a few.... When man replaces God with himself there is mass murder and oppression instead of the blessings of liberty....

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Sen. Orrin Hatch Exposes Democrats' Health Care Abortion Agenda

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh yeah, on the other hand,

how can Conservatives be anti-choice and pro-vouchers?

 

[zeitgeist2012]

It is all a front and a distaction to take the focus off what the real agenda is of the progressive global secular elites who have infiltrated and taken control of both of the so-called two parties to promote their multicultural global governance agenda....

Here is a good example of the antagonistic effects of the progeneratively prolific progressive agenda targeting our kids through Hollywood to undermine and eradicate our dominant culture.... Notice the classic progressive liberal trade mark in the transition of race and gender charaters in these two childrens cartoons...

What do you think?


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-iTpdJK6IY&NR=1"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-iTpdJK6IY&NR=1[/ame]

 

[MaggieMae]

You're accusation might be a little more persuasive if you said something to back it up.

Anytime I see someone make sweeping generalizations about what an entire segment of society "supports," especially if it includes abominations like the first list, it pisses me off big time. Is that enough explanation?

When the same folks keep getting voted in by folks like you, we kinda have to assume that you all believe in the same things ya know?

No. It indicates a lack of intelligence by people who presume such. Do you believe there are no gay Republicans? No Republicans who have sought and received abortions? No Republicans who are poor/homeless/addicted? And no Republicans who view pornography every chance they get? Even while sitting at the elected seats in the halls of Congress? Are there holier than thou Republicans who claim to be pure as the driven snow? You betcha.

 

[editec]

So none of you are interested in the fact that:

STATES THAT ALLOW ABORTIONS HAVE DECREASED INCIDENCE OF CRIME ABOUT 15 YEARS AFTER THAT LAW GOES INTO EFFECT?

ACtually I can understand why this statistic is avoided.

It offends liberals AND conservatives idological blather, doesn't it?

On one hand it informs us that unwanted pregnancies brought to term leads to higher incidence of children who turn to crime starting in their teens. That offends conservatives who don't want to admit that crime and poverty are intimately related conditions and that forcing mothers to become breeders before they're ready is BAD for society as a whole,

And on the other hand it offend liberals because it also suggests that abortion rights aren't merely a question of woman's choice, but might also have something to do with the right of society to protect itself from people's unwanted children.

The following ought to be obvious, but apparently it is not.

Unwanted babies are much more likely to become unwanted citizens.

Hardly seems fair given that the kids are (statistically speaking, innocent victims of this fact), but there it it.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

I suggest that people should not always play follow the leader, remember what happened with Hitler and a number of other famous dictators. I have stated on other occasions that the corporate/gov’t crooks controlling our country are using our deficit money machine to keep our economy going until they have completely stripped the real wealth and power away from the American people to control everything on a global scale. Once the crooks feel as though they have damaged us enough the economy will either completely collapse and the people revolt or a new totalitarian system will emerge.

Therefore, the concentration of wealth and power into the hands of the few equates to about the top 1% of the world’s population controlling 99% of all the wealth and resources. This top 1% has been known by different names just like Barry (Obama) and the devil himself….

So, lets delve into the darker side of gov’t corruption, and investigate the fastest growing SSI subculture being created by our Gov’t today; To bankrupt and undermine our Democratic Republic….

I find that our Gov’t is carrying out a domestic foreign invasion here in the US by allowing millions of legal, (those with visas and commonwealth status) and illegal immigrants to flood across our borders at will. Many of these immigrants are ending up with some type mental and physical diagnosis placing them and/or their anchor children on SSI payrolls. This subterfuge has resulted in the bankrupting and undermining our schooling system both public and at home, our health care system both public and at home, our jails, prisons, institutions, our Religion, Culture, our Constitution, form of Gov’t, and our system of Voting….

I further find that large segments of third world populations who have been given commonwealth status, like Puerto Rico, are being transplanted into our over-burdened and bankrupt communities. Our Gov’t gives the recent/modern legal/illegal immigrants free food, free money, free subsidized homes, cars, jobs, businesses, schooling, health care, and they are allowed to mysteriously vote.

In return for all the free stuff many of the male immigrants go around knocking up any girl or woman through whatever method they can contrive. They leave kids all over our communities without a second thought as to the harm it causes to everyone, and then they go about the setting up of drug rings in our communities. In the mean time the fortunate women having these kids live off the tax-payer.

Many of the legal/illegal immigrants even send instructions back to their home countries telling others how to get into the US and game our system.

However, I’m disappointed With Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs stance on legal immigration because they are the only two on radio and television who seem to be separate from the corrupt so-called two parties. They seem to be representing the real mood and condition of the American people who are caught up in the subterfuge of the current political and economic meltdown. I did hear Lou Dobbs mention a few times the millions of legals with visas whom our Gov’t is importing into our country even though our economy is shot to hell. Many of these legals with expired visas have disappeared into our society without a trace. However, Mr. Dobbs and Mr. Beck still support legal immigration in spite of knowing the threat and cost to our communities and country…why?

Furthermore, I have seen households here in the US with up to three children in them each receiving an SSI check with a gov’t program that pays a part of the mortgage and taxes on the house our Gov’t is helping them to purchase. In many of these homes, not one family member could speak proper English, if at all! They received in-home health care, in-home school tutoring, new to fairly new car, child care money for the boyfriend baby sitting, and the list goes on. The legal/illegal immigrants I just described are not stupid and know how to play our own system against us to get what they want…everything!

I have also found that the recent/modern immigrants who get caught violating our laws, regardless of their citizen status, will sit in our jails and prisons until their time is served. Only then are they deported in some instances. The cost of housing one person in our jails and prisons alone ranges from about $30-grand to $60-grand per year depending on their prisoner status or classification. I wish I could get this much money on welfare, SSI, unemployment, disability compensation, social security retirement, or social security disability. Man o’ man, I’d never have to work…free everything! This is seriously wrong and twisted. The game is afoot Watson….

Therefore, It is apparent that many Americans have not had the good fortune of being a guest in or of working in one of our gloriously expensive jails, prisons, rehabs, mental units, youth detention centers, or any other type of gov’t/corporate facility. They would see and hear first hand just how many legal/illegal immigrants there are, experience their violent behavior, experience their real attitudes towards white Americans (women and girls excluded) and anyone else that is pro-America….

As a result of all the before mentioned, I find that many of our communities have been transformed in short periods of time into third world socialized ghettos. Boiling pots of cultural conflict and subversion in which many of our woman and young girls are getting hooked on drugs, and knocked up by multiple partners. They either give birth to each of the many babies, or end up having multiple abortions all at tax-payer expense, and the list goes on.

I have found that according to Dr. John Hagee, the cost for supporting the illegal immigrants alone on our social programs is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.5 trillion a year, and another 1.5 billion a year to house them in our prisons. I believe these stats to be greatly underestimated as is everything else that emanates from our Gov’t and its collaborators….

Furthermore, I know the majority of Americans do not want our country turned into the countries that many of the legal/illegal immigrants have either escaped from, run away from, or are travelling back and forth from while leaving their kids throughout our communities for the rest of us to support. Furthermore, many of these same immigrants then go about the setting up of drug cartels within our communities causing further social damage that we all have to pay for as well. God knows there are not enough jobs or prison cells to go around, and our country is broke and over populated beyond its means already….

I have further found that many of these legal/illegal immigrants that I’ve come into contact with are strongly anti-American and are subversive with their Speech (we want our own language, we want our own state, we are taking over, etc.) and, Lifestyles (displaying flags and gang colors from their own country in their homes, cars, on their key chains, clothing, tattoos; and criminal activities, etc.) and, Attitudes (massive reverse prejudice and discrimination; dope up and knock up the stupid white girls it’s our revenge against the White man, the Oppressor, Satan, etc.). This is nothing more than immigration being used as a corporate/gov’t strong-arm divide and conquer tactic implemented against us to level the American people and our playing field.

I find it fair to say that all people who work here in the US want to be paid enough to at least buy what they produce, and pay the bills that help to keep a roof over their heads. If businesses refuse to pay fair and decent wages to make larger profits for themselves then our system will never work to the benefit of over-all society.

I believe the over-all failing of our economic and political system is what we are now all experiencing in our country, and it’s what we are all now trying to get a handle on. Immigration is just another mechanism being used as a catalyst for bringing us to our end much faster before enough of us can catch on and we all try to put a stop to it.

Furthermore, in the first place if our wonderfully corrupt Gov’t had the proper security measures set up to protect us we would not have to deal with this mass immigration threat within our borders.

In the second place, if we had pro-American trade agreements and policies in place that worked in the best interests of the American people we would not be in the economic crap-house now. We would not be dealing with the legal/illegal immigrant subversives coming back forth across our borders at will, or contending with the selling out of our national sovereignty to foreign interests. Only in countries with a population having something to lose or steal do such problems seem to exist, and there are not too many of those left….

However, the real American people who are also known as the silent majority are angry because our Gov’t is letting in and bringing in too many immigrants resulting in the bankrupting, and devastation of our communities and country. The private sector middle class has become part of the lower classes and this has only added fuel to the social conflict already raging in our communities.

I find that historically the same type of social displacement took place in Germany and it resulted in a national rebellion of policemen and the rise of Adolph Hitler. Wherein, the children of the German middle class lost their social and financial position right along with many other Germans who lost out during that time period. I believe the American people are experiencing a taste of this type of socioeconomic displacement with the rise of Barack Hussein Obama who is better known as Barry Soetoro. Though, there are some obvious differences with which the American people have had to contend such as the immigration mechanism of subversion, and the secular/liberal Jews of Hollywood who established the film industry here in the US where they own and control vast majority of to this day.

I further find that the Hollywood Jews have had an over-whelming effect on our society through their progressively secular/liberal television programs that promote much of the subterfuge taking place in our country.

The Hollywood Jews have produced, and are responsible for a small army of progressively secular/liberally indoctrinated parrots who inadvertently help to propagate the subversive secular/liberal agenda. This agenda of secular/liberal subterfuge only victimized the parrots it creates right along with the rest of our society. Yahshua certainly was a Jew just as Moses was Hebrew. However, they definitely were not progressively secular or liberal and they certainly would not of propagated such an agenda of saturational ethics upon humanity wherein anything for a buck makes right….

However, as a result of our failing economy and political corruption being described here many unemployed American men are jailed, institutionalized, made homeless, diagnosed with something or another, and placed on SSI with mental medications. `Focus on yourself, and work on yourself, you are the problem, not others, don’t worry about what others are doing, not on the things going on around you, not on the things you can not change’…. Sieg Heil!!!!

Furthermore, men who are young and old here in America have no rights to their children born or unborn, and are increasingly encountering sexism in hiring practices. White men here in the US have no affirmative action protection. While over half the work force and half the homes with children in them today consists of many single moms working in gov’t jobs, gov’t subsidized jobs, and low paying private sector jobs. Many of these single moms and kids receive gov’t SSI benefits (with mental medications) or some other kind of benefits on top of their income from working.

Therefore, I really do not know how much longer our Gov’t can support all this subsidized living while they are, at the same time, stripping out our private job sector and bankrupting the future unborn American….

 

[logical4u]

so, do you want government to control how many sex partners you can have, control the use of Playboy etc. or ban it, tell you how much you can drink even if you have a ride or are doing such in your own home?

And are you a small govt supporter? If you are, how can you justify the above that i mentioned from your list?

Why do you need to government paid workers (teachers) to tell you to participate with multiple sex partners? Why do you need the government to support frequent sex acts with birth control clinics? Why do you need the government to pay for the "children" (some call them litters) of multiple sex partners so the parents need not take responsibility of paying for those children's raising (financially or morally)? That adds to the size of government, it does not reduce it.

I did not say to pass laws prohibiting any of the above. I just said that the lefties support all forms of moral decay, while rejecting proven methods of community building.

When you can show me when and where there has been an ounce of meaningful support through "community building" in some decaying neighborhood where all those decadent activities take place and is sponsored by some "conservative" group, then your statements might have some credibility. In the meantime, you have no answer to the problem. You just enjoy bitching about it and blaming the evil "lefties." The Republican mind is always so eager to lament what's wrong without offering any solutions.

Try supporting this:

Abortion: no
Multiple sex partners: no
School sex ed and encouragement to participate: no
Pornography: no
become government dependent: no
drugs: no
alcohol: no
redistribute (steal): no

Discuss religious values: yes
Discuss political systems that have a proven record: yes
Uphold politicians to ethical standards: yes
Support freedom for all: yes
Support for equitable laws: yes

That does have a proven track record in the formation of this country. The lefties are trying very hard to legislate it out of existance. Try again.
When some conservative does go into a decayed neighborhood and bring in values (usually through the school), some limelight loving leftie comes in and talks discrimmination and lawsuits to prevent any improvement.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

yeah...my neighborhood, and many surrounding communities have in fact been turned into third world socialized multicultural cesspools.....

Just before the last presidential election certain govt agencies were busing in Puerto Rican immigrants, putting them into newly built govt subsidized housing that was supposed to be for the elderly, helping them buy houses, and now they are building more govt housing duplexes just before the next elections....

We have had high conservative vote in this area so, this is type of immigration subterfuge the progressives are using to remedy this....

I do not like this Uncle Sam,
I do not like his health care scam.
I do not like these dirty crooks,
or how they lie and cook the books.
I do not like when Congress steals,
I do not like their secret deals.
I do not like this speaker, Nan,
I do not like this 'YES WE CAN.'
I do not like this spending spree,
I'm smart, I know that nothing's free.
I do not like your smug replies,
when I complain about your lies.
I do not like this kind of hope.
I do not like it, nope, nope, nope!

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do you need to government paid workers (teachers) to tell you to participate with multiple sex partners? Why do you need the government to support frequent sex acts with birth control clinics? Why do you need the government to pay for the "children" (some call them litters) of multiple sex partners so the parents need not take responsibility of paying for those children's raising (financially or morally)? That adds to the size of government, it does not reduce it.

I did not say to pass laws prohibiting any of the above. I just said that the lefties support all forms of moral decay, while rejecting proven methods of community building.

When you can show me when and where there has been an ounce of meaningful support through "community building" in some decaying neighborhood where all those decadent activities take place and is sponsored by some "conservative" group, then your statements might have some credibility. In the meantime, you have no answer to the problem. You just enjoy bitching about it and blaming the evil "lefties." The Republican mind is always so eager to lament what's wrong without offering any solutions.

Try supporting this:

Abortion: no
Multiple sex partners: no
School sex ed and encouragement to participate: no
Pornography: no
become government dependent: no
drugs: no
alcohol: no
redistribute (steal): no

Discuss religious values: yes
Discuss political systems that have a proven record: yes
Uphold politicians to ethical standards: yes
Support freedom for all: yes
Support for equitable laws: yes

That does have a proven track record in the formation of this country. The lefties are trying very hard to legislate it out of existance. Try again.
When some conservative does go into a decayed neighborhood and bring in values (usually through the school), some limelight loving leftie comes in and talks discrimmination and lawsuits to prevent any improvement.

Nice deflection from my question. Now run along back to your comfort zone where you can wallow in groupthink.

 

[jillian]

Try supporting this:

Abortion: no the right to choose is constitutionally protected
Multiple sex partners: no why do you care what consenting adults do?
School sex ed and encouragement to participate: no why would you NOT want teens to learn safe sex?
Pornography: noprotected by the constitution. but again, why do you feel the need to insert yourself into others' morality? its none of your business what an adult does as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else
become government dependent: nono one WANTS anyone to be government dependent. but sometimes things happen
drugs: nowhy?
alcohol: nowhy? so again you can impose YOUR morality on people
redistribute (steal): no so redistribution to the wealthy is ok?

Discuss religious values: yeswhose religious values? yours or mine? or the imam down the street?
Discuss political systems that have a proven record: yesyou mean like everywhere else in the civilized world where they have government supported health care?
Uphold politicians to ethical standards: yeswhat ethics? not taking money from lobbyists? or giving a rat's patoot about who they sleep with?
Support freedom for all: yesmeaningless words when you want to impose your morality and religion on everyone else.
Support for equitable laws: yesagain, meaningless.

That does have a proven track record in the formation of this country. The lefties are trying very hard to legislate it out of existance. Try again.

there is NO proven track record whereby anyone imposes their religion on anyone else. again meaningless rightwing spin.

I've yet to meet anyone I'd trust to make my moral judgments for me.

I laugh at people who talk about "freedom" while wanting to insinuate themselves into the most personal things in people's lives,


but think it violates your "freedoms" when you have to purchase health insurance....

that's irrational.

 

[logical4u]

Try supporting this:

Abortion: no the right to choose is constitutionally protected
Multiple sex partners: no why do you care what consenting adults do?
School sex ed and encouragement to participate: no why would you NOT want teens to learn safe sex?
Pornography: noprotected by the constitution. but again, why do you feel the need to insert yourself into others' morality? its none of your business what an adult does as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else
become government dependent: nono one WANTS anyone to be government dependent. but sometimes things happen
drugs: nowhy?
alcohol: nowhy? so again you can impose YOUR morality on people
redistribute (steal): no so redistribution to the wealthy is ok?

Discuss religious values: yeswhose religious values? yours or mine? or the imam down the street?
Discuss political systems that have a proven record: yesyou mean like everywhere else in the civilized world where they have government supported health care?
Uphold politicians to ethical standards: yeswhat ethics? not taking money from lobbyists? or giving a rat's patoot about who they sleep with?
Support freedom for all: yesmeaningless words when you want to impose your morality and religion on everyone else.
Support for equitable laws: yesagain, meaningless.

That does have a proven track record in the formation of this country. The lefties are trying very hard to legislate it out of existance. Try again.

there is NO proven track record whereby anyone imposes their religion on anyone else. again meaningless rightwing spin.

I've yet to meet anyone I'd trust to make my moral judgments for me.

I laugh at people who talk about "freedom" while wanting to insinuate themselves into the most personal things in people's lives,


but think it violates your "freedoms" when you have to purchase health insurance....

that's irrational.

No "laws" supporting it Jillian. Just common sense and wisdom. Have the discussions. Are you suggesting that having one (or no) sex partners would somehow damage the country? Do you want to talk about the "medical" costs that would be eliminated on that alone?
Abortion should be discouraged. If you know how to use a computer, you should be able to find out how to use/get birth control (and yes there are some methods that involve a one time, small cost, but does take monitoring and determination).
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SAFE SEX (you can make it "safer", but not safe). Pornography, again no laws against it, just an open discussion about the damage it causes to the people that are forced into it (without customers that would drop), and the what it does to relationships.
No one wants anyone to become government dependent: participate in the above behaviors and there is a very good chance you will be dependent of gov at some point.
Drugs and alcohol: seriously: do I need to go into the damage that abuse causes with these?
Redistribution to the wealthy?... How is paying someone for a service or product that you want, redistribution????? How is setting a price that people are willing to pay, stealing?
Using the government to take what people have earned to pay for services that others that are capable but choose not to purchase on their own is wrong.
Discuss any/all religious values and decide what works best for you. Don't say we want diversity, and then try to silence particular religions (Christians). If you can openly discuss religious values, it is a lot harder for those religions to operate in a deceptive way.
Are you talking about those countries with health care that are broke, and working on "privatizing" their "health care", currently?
Maybe we should start with the definition of ethics? honor? integrity? How about WISDOM?
Morality is freedom for all... that means that you do not abuse your neighbor. Lack of morality is abuse of the truth.
Law is required for peaceful existance. That is "legislating morality". Why do the lefties want to legislate "imorality"?

 

[zeitgeist2012]

That Court, therefore, and others (for example, Commonwealth vs.. Nesbit and Lindenmuller vs.. The People), identified actions into which – if perpetrated in the name of religion – the government did have legitimate reason to intrude. Those activities included human sacrifice, polygamy, bigamy, concubinage, incest, infanticide(abortion), parricide, advocation and promotion of immorality(sexual perversion and decadence). etc.

Whereas in 1789, Congress, in the midst of framing the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment, passed the first Federal law touching education, declaring that `Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged';

 

[rdean]

Everyone knows, "Only white people have civilization".

Ask these people:

 

[zeitgeist2012]

I guess that is why the progressive secular global elite and their deceived or subversive parrots are trying to eradicate Godly moral based dominanat cultures through economic and multicultural subterfuge.... Judeo Christianity is an all inclusive religion with many cultural backgrounds and heritages.... However, it does not imply or give license that other cultures have a right to usurp the dominant culture and its heritage whether it is black, white, brown or whatever.... The progressive wannabe monkey god elite are using racism and multicultural indoctrination in a very progeneratively prolific and antagonistically effectual manner against societies marked for destuction to establish their one world secular and falsely religious based global governance....

I can back this up if people on here have the stomache to talk the truth in a factual and unbiased manner....LOL....