House Refuses to call Libya Operation a "War"

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    White House refuses to call Libyan operation a ‘war’
    By Neil Munro - The Daily Caller | Published: 7:34 PM 03/24/2011 | Updated: 1:40 PM 03/25/2011





    * Brit Hume on Obama Libya policy: ‘Failure it seems in this case is an option’ (this site)





    White House spokesman Jay Carney spent most of today’s press-conference not mentioning the war, and several Democratic advocates suggested that the ‘no-war-here’ approach will be the administration’s Libya policy for weeks and months ahead.

    “It is a time-limited, scope-limited military action, in concert with our international partners, with the objective of protecting civilian life in Libya from Muammar Gaddafi and his forces,” Carney said in response to a pointed question about why the administration is not using the W-word, from Fox News’ Wendell Goler.

    Carney’s circumlocutions took him through much of the thesaurus as he repeatedly didn’t mention the war during the 37 minute press gaggle. He referred to the U.S. military’s air-attacks and missile-strikes against the Libyan’s government’s airpower and ground forces as ”this mission,” “operation,” and “action,” but only used the W-word twice.

    He first used the W-word when he said the administration had complied with the War Powers Act of 1973, and secondly, when he waived the W-word. “I think what it is certainly not, is, as others have said, a large-scale, open-ended military action, the kind of which might otherwise be described as a war. There’s no ground troops, as the president said. There’s no land invasion.”

    His tour through the thesaurus took him through such terms as “enforcement of the no-fly zone,” “our engagement,” this military endeavor,” “intense efforts of the United States military,” “militarily driven regime change,” and “this kind of thing,” and “it’s a serious enterprise that involves what we have seen.”

    His verbal meandering did place him close to the W-word on several occasions, such as when he used the phrase “military force.” But, despite prodding from reporters, Carney insisted that the White House remains a W-word free-zone. “I’m not going to get into the terminology,” he declared, after sharing diverse synonyms for the W-word.

    The bloodiest term used by Carney came when he described an event that was prevented by the war; “Something had to be done to prevent Gaddafi’s forces from committing a massacre in Benghazi,” he said as he talked around the U.S. military’s role in Libya.

    Carney’s wariness of the W-word is shared by Libya’s deputy foreign minister, Khaled Kaim, who also declared the W-word to be irrelevant to the government-directed military attacks, assaults and bombardments now taking place throughout Libya. When asked about the Libyan military efforts to seize the rebel-held town of Misrata, Kaim declared today that “there are no any [sic] military operations on the ground in Misrata. The situation is just confined to a number of packets of violence and snipers scattered in different areas of Misrata.”

    Carney’s W-free lexicon was justified, Carney said, because the U.S. government’s various efforts to depose Gaddafi are not part of military operations. “The military mission that is described in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, specifically deals with using all necessary means to protect civilians in Libya,” said Carney. “The military mission … is separate from the policy and position of this administration, this government, that Muammar Gaddafi has lost the legitimacy to lead and that he should step down, that he should remove himself from power.”

    Under that “policy,” Carney said, “we have engaged in a number of actions — unilateral and multilateral — aimed at putting pressure on Muammar Gaddafi and those around him to convince him or those around him that he should leave power.”

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    Its not a war dude, its a kinetic skirmish....:lol:
     
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    Like the Korean War (That is still in Hiatus)...was called a "Police Action"...
     
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    No President has formally declared war since WWII. Kerry on.
     
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    No Congress, excuse me. Our Country, basically.
     
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    Large numbers of people who would rather be anywhere else are tasked by their governments to kill other people by violent means.

    Trying to paper it over by Orwellians euphemisms will just prolong the agony.
     
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    Well, yea. I agree with this 100%, BUT, the precedent was set a long long long time ago that we involve ourselves on all of these random world affairs and our Military remains all Voluntary. If one's against our foreign policy, they should do their due dilligence of research before signing up because fighting for what you *don't* believe in is hardly worth your/anyone's life.

    Def a good post though, Baruch.
     
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    Yeah Defending LIBERTY...Freedom requires alot of thought, doesn't it?
     
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    Wrong. Congress Obliged GW Bush by Voting for action. And in the Constitution? No formal Declaration is warranted...only that for such actions, the Congress allows it.

    But do please NOTE that Obama...the man that pledged to END it...The Forgoing 111th Congress...FUNDED IT...OBAMA follows the SAME policy...Starts engagement in another one...

    Now why is that?

    Have a smart answer for this?
     
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    GT? You're PISSING all over yourself and you don't know why.
     

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