House Refuses to call Libya Operation a "War"

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White House refuses to call Libyan operation a ‘war’
By Neil Munro - The Daily Caller | Published: 7:34 PM 03/24/2011 | Updated: 1:40 PM 03/25/2011





* Brit Hume on Obama Libya policy: ‘Failure it seems in this case is an option’ (this site)





White House spokesman Jay Carney spent most of today’s press-conference not mentioning the war, and several Democratic advocates suggested that the ‘no-war-here’ approach will be the administration’s Libya policy for weeks and months ahead.

“It is a time-limited, scope-limited military action, in concert with our international partners, with the objective of protecting civilian life in Libya from Muammar Gaddafi and his forces,” Carney said in response to a pointed question about why the administration is not using the W-word, from Fox News’ Wendell Goler.

Carney’s circumlocutions took him through much of the thesaurus as he repeatedly didn’t mention the war during the 37 minute press gaggle. He referred to the U.S. military’s air-attacks and missile-strikes against the Libyan’s government’s airpower and ground forces as ”this mission,” “operation,” and “action,” but only used the W-word twice.

He first used the W-word when he said the administration had complied with the War Powers Act of 1973, and secondly, when he waived the W-word. “I think what it is certainly not, is, as others have said, a large-scale, open-ended military action, the kind of which might otherwise be described as a war. There’s no ground troops, as the president said. There’s no land invasion.”

His tour through the thesaurus took him through such terms as “enforcement of the no-fly zone,” “our engagement,” this military endeavor,” “intense efforts of the United States military,” “militarily driven regime change,” and “this kind of thing,” and “it’s a serious enterprise that involves what we have seen.”

His verbal meandering did place him close to the W-word on several occasions, such as when he used the phrase “military force.” But, despite prodding from reporters, Carney insisted that the White House remains a W-word free-zone. “I’m not going to get into the terminology,” he declared, after sharing diverse synonyms for the W-word.

The bloodiest term used by Carney came when he described an event that was prevented by the war; “Something had to be done to prevent Gaddafi’s forces from committing a massacre in Benghazi,” he said as he talked around the U.S. military’s role in Libya.

Carney’s wariness of the W-word is shared by Libya’s deputy foreign minister, Khaled Kaim, who also declared the W-word to be irrelevant to the government-directed military attacks, assaults and bombardments now taking place throughout Libya. When asked about the Libyan military efforts to seize the rebel-held town of Misrata, Kaim declared today that “there are no any [sic] military operations on the ground in Misrata. The situation is just confined to a number of packets of violence and snipers scattered in different areas of Misrata.”

Carney’s W-free lexicon was justified, Carney said, because the U.S. government’s various efforts to depose Gaddafi are not part of military operations. “The military mission that is described in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, specifically deals with using all necessary means to protect civilians in Libya,” said Carney. “The military mission … is separate from the policy and position of this administration, this government, that Muammar Gaddafi has lost the legitimacy to lead and that he should step down, that he should remove himself from power.”

Under that “policy,” Carney said, “we have engaged in a number of actions — unilateral and multilateral — aimed at putting pressure on Muammar Gaddafi and those around him to convince him or those around him that he should leave power.”

Libya War | White House Jay Carney | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Please make sure to post links to copyrighted material, per house policy to be found HERE.

~Oddball
 
No President has formally declared war since WWII. Kerry on.
 
Large numbers of people who would rather be anywhere else are tasked by their governments to kill other people by violent means.

Trying to paper it over by Orwellians euphemisms will just prolong the agony.
 
Large numbers of people who would rather be anywhere else are tasked by their governments to kill other people by violent means.

Trying to paper it over by Orwellians euphemisms will just prolong the agony.

Well, yea. I agree with this 100%, BUT, the precedent was set a long long long time ago that we involve ourselves on all of these random world affairs and our Military remains all Voluntary. If one's against our foreign policy, they should do their due dilligence of research before signing up because fighting for what you *don't* believe in is hardly worth your/anyone's life.

Def a good post though, Baruch.
 
Large numbers of people who would rather be anywhere else are tasked by their governments to kill other people by violent means.

Trying to paper it over by Orwellians euphemisms will just prolong the agony.

Well, yea. I agree with this 100%, BUT, the precedent was set a long long long time ago that we involve ourselves on all of these random world affairs and our Military remains all Voluntary. If one's against our foreign policy, they should do their due dilligence of research before signing up because fighting for what you *don't* believe in is hardly worth your/anyone's life.

Def a good post though, Baruch.

Yeah Defending LIBERTY...Freedom requires alot of thought, doesn't it?
 
No Congress, excuse me. Our Country, basically.

Wrong. Congress Obliged GW Bush by Voting for action. And in the Constitution? No formal Declaration is warranted...only that for such actions, the Congress allows it.

But do please NOTE that Obama...the man that pledged to END it...The Forgoing 111th Congress...FUNDED IT...OBAMA follows the SAME policy...Starts engagement in another one...

Now why is that?

Have a smart answer for this?
 
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White House refuses to call Libyan operation a ‘war’
By Neil Munro - The Daily Caller | Published: 7:34 PM 03/24/2011 | Updated: 1:40 PM 03/25/2011





* Brit Hume on Obama Libya policy: ‘Failure it seems in this case is an option’ (this site)





White House spokesman Jay Carney spent most of today’s press-conference not mentioning the war, and several Democratic advocates suggested that the ‘no-war-here’ approach will be the administration’s Libya policy for weeks and months ahead.

“It is a time-limited, scope-limited military action, in concert with our international partners, with the objective of protecting civilian life in Libya from Muammar Gaddafi and his forces,” Carney said in response to a pointed question about why the administration is not using the W-word, from Fox News’ Wendell Goler.

Carney’s circumlocutions took him through much of the thesaurus as he repeatedly didn’t mention the war during the 37 minute press gaggle. He referred to the U.S. military’s air-attacks and missile-strikes against the Libyan’s government’s airpower and ground forces as ”this mission,” “operation,” and “action,” but only used the W-word twice.

He first used the W-word when he said the administration had complied with the War Powers Act of 1973, and secondly, when he waived the W-word. “I think what it is certainly not, is, as others have said, a large-scale, open-ended military action, the kind of which might otherwise be described as a war. There’s no ground troops, as the president said. There’s no land invasion.”

His tour through the thesaurus took him through such terms as “enforcement of the no-fly zone,” “our engagement,” this military endeavor,” “intense efforts of the United States military,” “militarily driven regime change,” and “this kind of thing,” and “it’s a serious enterprise that involves what we have seen.”

His verbal meandering did place him close to the W-word on several occasions, such as when he used the phrase “military force.” But, despite prodding from reporters, Carney insisted that the White House remains a W-word free-zone. “I’m not going to get into the terminology,” he declared, after sharing diverse synonyms for the W-word.

The bloodiest term used by Carney came when he described an event that was prevented by the war; “Something had to be done to prevent Gaddafi’s forces from committing a massacre in Benghazi,” he said as he talked around the U.S. military’s role in Libya.

Carney’s wariness of the W-word is shared by Libya’s deputy foreign minister, Khaled Kaim, who also declared the W-word to be irrelevant to the government-directed military attacks, assaults and bombardments now taking place throughout Libya. When asked about the Libyan military efforts to seize the rebel-held town of Misrata, Kaim declared today that “there are no any [sic] military operations on the ground in Misrata. The situation is just confined to a number of packets of violence and snipers scattered in different areas of Misrata.”

Carney’s W-free lexicon was justified, Carney said, because the U.S. government’s various efforts to depose Gaddafi are not part of military operations. “The military mission that is described in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, specifically deals with using all necessary means to protect civilians in Libya,” said Carney. “The military mission … is separate from the policy and position of this administration, this government, that Muammar Gaddafi has lost the legitimacy to lead and that he should step down, that he should remove himself from power.”

Under that “policy,” Carney said, “we have engaged in a number of actions — unilateral and multilateral — aimed at putting pressure on Muammar Gaddafi and those around him to convince him or those around him that he should leave power.”

Libya War | White House Jay Carney | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Please make sure to post links to copyrighted material, per house policy to be found HERE.

~Oddball

its not a war , no more then sending food , we are stopping Qaddafi from bombing his own people , he sent tanks in to villages killing everyone , it not to help rebels its to stop killing people .
 
No Congress, excuse me. Our Country, basically.

Wrong. Congress Obliged GW Bush by Voting for action. And in the Constitution? No formal Declaration is warranted...only that for such actions, the Congress allows it.

But do please NOTE that Obama...the man that pledged to END it...The Forgoing 111th Congress...FUNDED IT...OBAMA follows the SAME policy...Starts engagement in another one...

Now why is that?

Have a smart answer for this?

You know Obama can't be both a socialist bent on destruction of American and "another term of Bush" at the same time, right?

Which one do you think he is?
 
its not a war , no more then sending food , we are stopping Qaddafi from bombing his own people , he sent tanks in to villages killing everyone , it not to help rebels its to stop killing people .

Translation: Libya is in the middle of a civil war, and the actual government is winning. We cannot allow that because, for some reason, Qaddafi is worse than any otehr dictator that wen out and killed his own people. We therefore attacked Libya to defend the losing side in a civil war, and autmatically ended the war. It is now a kinetic, humanitarian, time limited, scope limited, military action.

Ever read Shakespeare?

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Call it whatever you want, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

This looks, smells, sounds, and kills people just like a war does, and we got involved in what was a war before we got there.

It is a war.
 
No Congress, excuse me. Our Country, basically.

Wrong. Congress Obliged GW Bush by Voting for action. And in the Constitution? No formal Declaration is warranted...only that for such actions, the Congress allows it.

But do please NOTE that Obama...the man that pledged to END it...The Forgoing 111th Congress...FUNDED IT...OBAMA follows the SAME policy...Starts engagement in another one...

Now why is that?

Have a smart answer for this?

You know Obama can't be both a socialist bent on destruction of American and "another term of Bush" at the same time, right?

Which one do you think he is?

What makes you think they are mutually exclusive? Do you have any evidence that Bush was not a socialist? You certainly thought he was bent on the destruction of the America.
 
White House refuses to call Libyan operation a ‘war’

yeah, Kinda looks bad if it's a war. I mean, Mr Peace and love Obama getting us into another war. That will no do! I mean his record is perfect before this, it's not like he doubled down on Afghanistan and started sending attacks into Pakistan or anything right. Plus he closed Gitmo so that's cool. Most importantly though, He promised us honesty and transparency, so you can believe him when he says no boots on the ground(just ignore the US special Forces that are almost Certainly on the ground already).

Man I feel all Hopey changey, YES WE CAN! America, yes we can ignore a candidates obvious short comings in Leadership ability, and elect him, yes we can!

Way to go America
 
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White House refuses to call Libyan operation a ‘war’
By Neil Munro - The Daily Caller | Published: 7:34 PM 03/24/2011 | Updated: 1:40 PM 03/25/2011





* Brit Hume on Obama Libya policy: ‘Failure it seems in this case is an option’ (this site)





White House spokesman Jay Carney spent most of today’s press-conference not mentioning the war, and several Democratic advocates suggested that the ‘no-war-here’ approach will be the administration’s Libya policy for weeks and months ahead.

“It is a time-limited, scope-limited military action, in concert with our international partners, with the objective of protecting civilian life in Libya from Muammar Gaddafi and his forces,” Carney said in response to a pointed question about why the administration is not using the W-word, from Fox News’ Wendell Goler.

Carney’s circumlocutions took him through much of the thesaurus as he repeatedly didn’t mention the war during the 37 minute press gaggle. He referred to the U.S. military’s air-attacks and missile-strikes against the Libyan’s government’s airpower and ground forces as ”this mission,” “operation,” and “action,” but only used the W-word twice.

He first used the W-word when he said the administration had complied with the War Powers Act of 1973, and secondly, when he waived the W-word. “I think what it is certainly not, is, as others have said, a large-scale, open-ended military action, the kind of which might otherwise be described as a war. There’s no ground troops, as the president said. There’s no land invasion.”

His tour through the thesaurus took him through such terms as “enforcement of the no-fly zone,” “our engagement,” this military endeavor,” “intense efforts of the United States military,” “militarily driven regime change,” and “this kind of thing,” and “it’s a serious enterprise that involves what we have seen.”

His verbal meandering did place him close to the W-word on several occasions, such as when he used the phrase “military force.” But, despite prodding from reporters, Carney insisted that the White House remains a W-word free-zone. “I’m not going to get into the terminology,” he declared, after sharing diverse synonyms for the W-word.

The bloodiest term used by Carney came when he described an event that was prevented by the war; “Something had to be done to prevent Gaddafi’s forces from committing a massacre in Benghazi,” he said as he talked around the U.S. military’s role in Libya.

Carney’s wariness of the W-word is shared by Libya’s deputy foreign minister, Khaled Kaim, who also declared the W-word to be irrelevant to the government-directed military attacks, assaults and bombardments now taking place throughout Libya. When asked about the Libyan military efforts to seize the rebel-held town of Misrata, Kaim declared today that “there are no any [sic] military operations on the ground in Misrata. The situation is just confined to a number of packets of violence and snipers scattered in different areas of Misrata.”

Carney’s W-free lexicon was justified, Carney said, because the U.S. government’s various efforts to depose Gaddafi are not part of military operations. “The military mission that is described in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, specifically deals with using all necessary means to protect civilians in Libya,” said Carney. “The military mission … is separate from the policy and position of this administration, this government, that Muammar Gaddafi has lost the legitimacy to lead and that he should step down, that he should remove himself from power.”

Under that “policy,” Carney said, “we have engaged in a number of actions — unilateral and multilateral — aimed at putting pressure on Muammar Gaddafi and those around him to convince him or those around him that he should leave power.”

Libya War | White House Jay Carney | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

Please make sure to post links to copyrighted material, per house policy to be found HERE.

~Oddball

oh boy
 

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