House passes Ryan "budget"

[Baruch Menachem]

Congress is legally obligated to pass a budget. It doesn't have to make sense, they just have to pass the thing.

The Senate has been derelict in its obligations for three years. The republicans are passing something. The Democrats just pass gas

 

[Ropey]

Congress is legally obligated to pass a budget. It doesn't have to make sense, they just have to pass the thing.

The Senate has been derelict in its obligations for three years. The republicans are passing something. The Democrats just pass gas

The Democrats are derelict so you must move to deselect.

House passes GOP budget with no Dem support - CBS

 

[usmcstinger]

The Ryan budget will increase the national debt.

The NYTimes:

a. Deficit in 2016
Obama: $529 billion
Ryan Plan $241 billion

b. Added debt over the next ten years:
Obama $6.4 trillion
Ryan $3.1 trillion

c. Balances the budget:
Obama: never
Ryan: by 2040
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/us/politics/house-republicans-release-budget-blueprint.html?_r=1

Good information from the NY Times. Looks like they are reporting more complete news.

 

[usmcstinger]

Which loopholes and Tax shelters does the Ryan budget close?

This is an Etch-a-Sketch budget.
shake it a bit and it all vanishes.

And yet the republican controlled house voted for it.[/QUOTE

Why don't you read the Ryan Budget? Your inability to research is very evident.
The Obama Budget was knocked out by a unanimous vote in the House. Are there Democrats and Independents in the House of Representatives?

 

[Greenbeard]

Why don't you read the Ryan Budget?
The Obama Budget was knocked by a unanimous vote in the House.

And yet the fact remains that the Obama budget lays out its specific tax provisions and the Ryan budget does not.

 

[Oldstyle]

Why don't you read the Ryan Budget?
The Obama Budget was knocked by a unanimous vote in the House.

And yet the fact remains that the Obama budget lays out its specific tax provisions and the Ryan budget does not.

The fact remains that the Obama budget was such a farce that he couldn't even get any Democrats to vote for it.

 

[hortysir]

I really do hope all Americans take a close look at this budget proposal. The idiot Republicans are trying to cut taxes even more when revenue is at its lowest level in the last 60 years. They are brain dead, completely brain dead. And they're going to try to tell us that by cutting the top income tax rate from 35% to 25%, we will increase tax revenue. They are absolutely brain dead and do not understand basic math concepts. This really is scary shit folks.

The beast can still be "fed".
Don't be scared.

Be honest. That's what you're mostly worried about.
You first priority is that your Nanny gets funded.

We can lower income and payroll taxes to create more disposable income.
That money can do alot more good in the liquid economy than it will ever do in your favorite entitlement program.

 

[uscitizen]

Yes we can lower income....

 

[hortysir]

Yes we can lower income....

Brat


You know that ain't what I meant

(good catch, tho)

 

[alan1]

You use a partial quote out of context.

Yes we can lower income....

Here is the full sentence.

We can lower income and payroll taxes to create more disposable income.

 

[uscitizen]

Yes we can lower income....

Brat


You know that ain't what I meant

(good catch, tho)

It is the only way for the US labor force to compete in the global economy./marketplace.
Sad but true. We obviously are not going to regain our status thru innovation as some claim.
The recent development of LG's flexible display, etc are clear indications that we are second place now in the tech race.

 

[hortysir]

Yes we can lower income....

Brat


You know that ain't what I meant

(good catch, tho)

It is the only way for the US labor force to compete in the global economy./marketplace.
Sad but true. We obviously are not going to regain our status thru innovation as some claim.
The recent development of LG's flexible display, etc are clear indications that we are second place now in the tech race.

You're seriously advocating lowering wages while so many of your 'comrades' grumble about how much lower our minimum wage is compared to other industrialized nations?

But by lowering wages you'd be lowering that all-important revenue.

 

[starcraftzzz]

If you libturds have a better plan, then out with it.

Doing nothing is a better plan then eliminating medicare, giving millionaires 6 trillion in more tax breaks and eliminating preventative health spending, energy efficient spending Pell grants, transportation investments etc etc etc

Ah yes...the usual progressive response when anyone with enough backbone to actually address the problems that ARE going to bankrupt the country puts forth proposals.

Only a retard thinks making Medicare 40% less efficient solves bankruptcy problems. Ryans plan increase wasteful health spending by trillions of dollars and you considering that a good thing, meaning you must be a clueless dipshit

Ryan's plan does not "eliminate" Medicare. It does not give millionairs 6 trillion in tax breaks. It does not eliminate preventative health care spending. It does not eliminate energy efficient spending or Pell grants or transportation investments etc etc etc.

I se so you actually know nothing about Ryans plan. Its not uncommon for conservatives to be 100% ignroant

Here's the bottom line CHILDREN! We cannot continue to spend at the rate we are. It's unsustainable. We cannot do "nothing".

I see so according to you in order to help children we must increase wasteful health spending, eliminating education for those children, eliminating programs feeding those children and giving millionaire trillions more in tax breaks.
Basically you're a dumbass

 

[Full-Auto]

Doing nothing is a better plan then eliminating medicare, giving millionaires 6 trillion in more tax breaks and eliminating preventative health spending, energy efficient spending Pell grants, transportation investments etc etc etc

Ah yes...the usual progressive response when anyone with enough backbone to actually address the problems that ARE going to bankrupt the country puts forth proposals.

Only a retard thinks making Medicare 40% less efficient solves bankruptcy problems. Ryans plan increase wasteful health spending by trillions of dollars and you considering that a good thing, meaning you must be a clueless dipshit

Ryan's plan does not "eliminate" Medicare. It does not give millionairs 6 trillion in tax breaks. It does not eliminate preventative health care spending. It does not eliminate energy efficient spending or Pell grants or transportation investments etc etc etc.

I se so you actually know nothing about Ryans plan. Its not uncommon for conservatives to be 100% ignroant

Here's the bottom line CHILDREN! We cannot continue to spend at the rate we are. It's unsustainable. We cannot do "nothing".

I see so according to you in order to help children we must increase wasteful health spending, eliminating education for those children, eliminating programs feeding those children and giving millionaire trillions more in tax breaks.
Basically you're a dumbass

Talking quite a bit of trash without backup. Is that a new debate tactic?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I really don't understand Boehner's thinking on this. I guess he's afraid of Cantor lowering the boom, because this doesn't make sense. Why would you take a vote on something that's deeply unpopular, and that you know will never pass the Senate, in an election year.

It’s fodder for GOP stump speeches later this year, it’s very popular among hard-core rightists and hyper-partisan republicans.

And you’re correct: Boehner is just plain afraid of the radical right.

 

[Trajan]

Why don't you read the Ryan Budget?
The Obama Budget was knocked by a unanimous vote in the House.

And yet the fact remains that the Obama budget lays out its specific tax provisions and the Ryan budget does not.

then why didn't it get any votes?

 

[Greenbeard]

Why don't you read the Ryan Budget?
The Obama Budget was knocked by a unanimous vote in the House.

And yet the fact remains that the Obama budget lays out its specific tax provisions and the Ryan budget does not.

then why didn't it get any votes?

Those provisions weren't voted on. Mulvaney simply offered a set of spending levels so the GOP could claim Obama's budget got a vote. It was a sham vote that didn't sucker any Democrats into playing. But I know the GOP base lapped it up!

 

[Navy1960]

The Ryan plan increases national defense spending to $554 billion in 2013, an increase of $8 billion over the $546 billion that was agreed to under the Budget Control Act.

That would reverse some of the $487 billion in cuts that the Pentagon has planned to implement over the next decade. Over 10 years, the Ryan budget would spend $6.2 trillion on defense, which is higher than the $5.97 trillion level set under the Budget Control Act.

“We don’t believe the generals are giving us their true budget,” Paul Ryan

The CBO report, prepared at Chairman Ryan’s request, shows that Ryan’s budget path would shrink federal expenditures for everything other than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and interest payments to just 3¾ percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) by 2050. Since, as CBO notes, “spending for defense alone has not been lower than 3 percent of GDP in any year [since World War II]” and Ryan seeks a high level of defense spending — he increases defense funding by $228 billion over the next ten years above the pre-sequestration baseline — the rest of government would largely have to disappear.
CBO Shows Ryan Budget Would Set Nation on Path to End Most of Government Other Than Social Security, Health Care, and Defense By 2050 — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

In short while Rep. Ryan may believe that his plan might have merit it does seem that if he were really interested in cutting spending and balancing the budget then perhaps the best way to go about that is not take the money you plan to cut from one program and spend it on another, especially if those programs are meant to help Seniors, disabled, Vets, and a whole new generation of Americans get a good education so that we might just be able to compete in this world.

 

[Jackson]

The Ryan budget will increase the national debt.

The NYTimes:

a. Deficit in 2016
Obama: $529 billion
Ryan Plan $241 billion

b. Added debt over the next ten years:
Obama $6.4 trillion
Ryan $3.1 trillion

c. Balances the budget:
Obama: never
Ryan: by 2040
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/us/politics/house-republicans-release-budget-blueprint.html?_r=1

This is worth saying twice. At least it is on the road to recovery.