House passes bill banning abortions after 20 weeks, President Trump has promised to sign it

[JimBowie1958]

IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.

Maybe she just needs a man to make it for her then?

 

[Coyote]

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IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.

Maybe she just needs a man to make it for her then?

uhhh....no.

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

Unconstitutional and will be struck down. Cons just have a real animosity to the Constitution. They prefer everyone follow their rules.

Lol...where is abortion protected in the constitution?

 

[OffensivelyOpenMinded]

If a baby is viable at 20 weeks, I have no problem with it.

Surprising.

 

[Ame®icano]

In most of western civilized world, the abortion is not performed after 12 weeks, with few exceptions.

Europe's abortion rules

So lefties, don't you want to be like Europe?

 

[Coyote]

In most of western civilized world, the abortion is not performed after 12 weeks, with few exceptions.

Europe's abortion rules

So lefties, don't you want to be like Europe?

You realize, I hope, that Europe also has few, if any of the obstacles to early abortion that we do? Morning after pill is available over the counter as is birth control. Much lower rates of teen pregnancies. Effective contraceptive education.

So..righties..why can't we be more like Europe?

 

[Ame®icano]

In most of western civilized world, the abortion is not performed after 12 weeks, with few exceptions.

Europe's abortion rules

So lefties, don't you want to be like Europe?

You realize, I hope, that Europe also has few, if any of the obstacles to early abortion that we do? Morning after pill is available over the counter as is birth control. Much lower rates of teen pregnancies. Effective contraceptive education.

So..righties..why can't we be more like Europe?

No wonder you want to be like them...

The only sicker than American progressives are European socialists.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Don't you dare speak for others just because you faced the same decision and made a different choice. Don't assume another choice was any easier.

If some are not allowed to speak on an issue, how do we come to consensus? How do we learn to respect each others point of view if we accept the idea that some points of view are inherently unjustifiable simply because of who they are?

How do we learn to respect each others point of view if we accept the idea that some points of view are inherently unjustifiable simply because of who they are?

It starts with the individual. S/he must get to the place where they can rigorously challenge their own ideas. When one arrives at that place, though one may not think something is amiss, indefensible/unjustifiable about one's own ideas, one will at least be able to give due consideration to it when others attempt to show one how that be the case.

 

[keepitreal]

It is not an easy decision nor an easy process.

Don't you dare speak for others just because you faced the same decision and made a different choice. Don't assume another choice was any easier.

I'm not saying she can't speak...I'm saying she has no right to speak for others who may have made a different choice and claim it is somehow EASY.

You know what? It isn't.

But everyone who opposes it seems to think it is. IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.

I disagree...choosing to have the baby,
or give the baby up for adoption
instead of aborting the baby,
is the hardest decision a woman will ever make!

You say abortion is the hardest decision
a woman will ever make....

not including rape, incest, fetal defects
or danger to the mothers life,
which represent a minority sliver of abortions,

which is easier....

abortion... telling my parents

abortion.... taking care of a baby and finishing school

abortion...being a single mother

abortion....needing a babysitter to work

abortion.... needing to earn more money

abortion.... no more freedom

abortion... having a baby

The hardest decision a woman can ever make,
is to face, head on and deal with, whatever obstacles,
that attribute to, abortion being the solution!

 

[August West]

Even though I'm pro choice, I'm generally against late term abortions. However, there are cases where a women continuing with a pregnancy is life threatening. So will those women be expememt from this or are they going to be forced to die?

Women do not get late term abortions because they changed their mind. It's almost always because the mother's life is in danger or the child is serverly deformed or some other life threatening condition.

I don't like this one bit. Now they are saying no abortion past 20 weeks. What's going to be next time? 10 weeks and then no abortion at all?

What they are saying is no LEGAL abortion after 20 weeks.

 

[keepitreal]

It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not

You ever had one?

Abortion isnt an easy way out. I have no idea what makes you think that.

It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not

You ever had one?

You asked me that question, based on the assumption,
I'm presuming, abortion is an easy way out,
because I haven't walked a mile in those shoes.

Right?
I mean, after all, unless you've walked a mile
in someone else's shoes, you don't really know...

Sure, it's easy for someone to pass judgment
but, unless you've been in that situation, you don't know

abortion
abusive relationships
addiction
gambling
pornography
mental illness
disabilities
illegal immigrants
depression

Well, my statement was not presumptuous,
it comes from walking a mile in those shoes.
It comes from my own unwanted pregnancy
and not wanting the responsibility of my choices,....
just an easy way out of the consequences.

So, yes, been there, done that darling

It's easy to choose abortion
when you buy into the propaganda
that it's just a blob, it's not a baby,
it's my body, my choice....

but, when you allow God and Jesus
into your heart and into your life,
it's not a decision that is easy to forgive yourself for

The overwhelming majority of unwanted pregnancies
are the result of irresponsibility and promiscuity

The overwhelming majority of abortions
are the result of selfishness, being an easy way out!

Life begins at conception

Wow....you're good with the "talking points." I give you that. You've got moral relativism down pat too.

Maybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't. Either way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.

Maybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't.

It was

Either way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.

OMG...obviously you are unable to
comprehend what I wrote!

It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:

It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not

The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."

I wrote that you're good with the "talking points" because I saw the key one in your post.

It's easy to choose abortion when you buy into the propaganda that it's just a blob, it's not a baby, it's my body, my choice....

The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share; however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.

And despite what you may think, everyone is well aware that a fetus has the potential to be a baby, but until a fetus becomes a baby, it is property not person. If a given mother or pair of parents cares to increase the status of their own fetus to that of baby, that's a personal normative action on their part.

As for what's "easy" and not about abortion and its aftermath, a given economic/financial position of the mother/would-be parents who chose to abort a pregnancy may be easier to attain or maintain than had she/they not done so. Is the decision to abort the pregnancy an easy one? No. Is the emotional "baggage" that accompanies having aborted the pregnancy easy to bear? I doubt it.

It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:

No darling, you did not comprehend what I wrote,
made obvious by your follow up here.

Too much trouble to go back an re read what I wrote

The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."

I had an abortion, so don't tell me I don't comprehend
Abortion is the easy way out, bottom line

The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share;

Why would pro choice literature describe a fetus as a blob?

however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.

Here's a factual truth, shit for brains...

I was able to hear the heartbeat of my unborn children

I could see the outline of their foot, under my skin,
when they were kicking my belly, inside me

I could feel them and see the outline of their body,
as they were turning within me, as if, doing summersaults,
watching my belly as the head was coming up,
followed by the arch of their back, then their butt.

It looked like a fucking scene from Aliens

Does a fetus hiccup?

You can not tell me, what was growing inside of me,
was not actually a baby, until it came out my vagina!

 

[sealybobo]

You ever had one?

Abortion isnt an easy way out. I have no idea what makes you think that.

It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not

You ever had one?

You asked me that question, based on the assumption,
I'm presuming, abortion is an easy way out,
because I haven't walked a mile in those shoes.

Right?
I mean, after all, unless you've walked a mile
in someone else's shoes, you don't really know...

Sure, it's easy for someone to pass judgment
but, unless you've been in that situation, you don't know

abortion
abusive relationships
addiction
gambling
pornography
mental illness
disabilities
illegal immigrants
depression

Well, my statement was not presumptuous,
it comes from walking a mile in those shoes.
It comes from my own unwanted pregnancy
and not wanting the responsibility of my choices,....
just an easy way out of the consequences.

So, yes, been there, done that darling

It's easy to choose abortion
when you buy into the propaganda
that it's just a blob, it's not a baby,
it's my body, my choice....

but, when you allow God and Jesus
into your heart and into your life,
it's not a decision that is easy to forgive yourself for

The overwhelming majority of unwanted pregnancies
are the result of irresponsibility and promiscuity

The overwhelming majority of abortions
are the result of selfishness, being an easy way out!

Life begins at conception

Wow....you're good with the "talking points." I give you that. You've got moral relativism down pat too.

Maybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't. Either way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.

Maybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't.

It was

Either way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.

OMG...obviously you are unable to
comprehend what I wrote!

It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:

It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not

The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."

I wrote that you're good with the "talking points" because I saw the key one in your post.

It's easy to choose abortion when you buy into the propaganda that it's just a blob, it's not a baby, it's my body, my choice....

The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share; however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.

And despite what you may think, everyone is well aware that a fetus has the potential to be a baby, but until a fetus becomes a baby, it is property not person. If a given mother or pair of parents cares to increase the status of their own fetus to that of baby, that's a personal normative action on their part.

As for what's "easy" and not about abortion and its aftermath, a given economic/financial position of the mother/would-be parents who chose to abort a pregnancy may be easier to attain or maintain than had she/they not done so. Is the decision to abort the pregnancy an easy one? No. Is the emotional "baggage" that accompanies having aborted the pregnancy easy to bear? I doubt it.

It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:

No darling, you did not comprehend what I wrote,
made obvious by your follow up here.

Too much trouble to go back an re read what I wrote

The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."

I had an abortion, so don't tell me I don't comprehend
Abortion is the easy way out, bottom line

The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share;

Why would pro choice literature describe a fetus as a blob?

however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.

Here's a factual truth, shit for brains...

I was able to hear the heartbeat of my unborn children

I could see the outline of their foot, under my skin,
when they were kicking my belly, inside me

I could feel them and see the outline of their body,
as they were turning within me, as if, doing summersaults,
watching my belly as the head was coming up,
followed by the arch of their back, then their butt.

It looked like a fucking scene from Aliens

Does a fetus hiccup?

You can not tell me, what was growing inside of me,
was not actually a baby, until it came out my vagina!

You had an abortion and now want to ban abortions? Interesting.

"The Only Moral Abortion Is My Abortion"

 

[sealybobo]

Supreme Court Blocks Appeal, Allowing Arkansas To Restrict Medical Abortions
If the law goes into effect, Arkansas will be the only state to practically ban medical abortions.

If young 18-28 year old girls don't show up to vote for their right to choose, I hope they ban abortion nationwide.

Supreme Court Blocks Appeal, Allowing Arkansas To Restrict Medical Abortions | HuffPost

 

[sealybobo]

restrict medication-induced abortions in the state.

The law states that doctors providing abortion pills “must hold a contract with another physician who has admitting privileges at a hospital and who would agree to handle complications,” according to the Chicago Tribune. Physicians who do not abide by that requirement may face criminal penalties.
Having a medical abortion is commonly known as taking the abortion pill and entails taking two medications, mifepristone and misoprostol. Mifepristone is taken at a clinic, and misoprostol is taken six to 48 hours later, usually at home. The medicines cause cramping and an emptying of the uterus. According to a study conducted in 2014, 1 in 20 women will have an abortion by age 20, about 1 in 5 by age 30 and about 1 in 4 by age 45.

Planned Parenthood clinics in Little Rock and Fayetteville in Arkansas offer just medical abortions, meaning the state’s only other abortion clinic ― also in Little Rock ― is likely the only one that would continue operating if the law takes effect, since it also performs surgical abortions.