House Passes 1.1 Trillion With 5,000 Earmarks? Say it Ain't So

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    There has never been a "Rush" on any of the proposals from the current congress, except in the minds of people who want to stand in thier way.

    Public Health Insurance, for instance, has been debated since the early 70's, since Nixon proposed it. That's 38 years of waiting and debate.

    If some people don't have an idea of what should go into a health bill by now, then they're just a bunch of morons.

    As far as the actual current legislation goes, it has already been discussed for the past 6 months, I think that's plenty of time to go over a bill.

    Of course obstructionists paid by the private insurance industry would love to see the legislation be delayed for another decade or so.
     
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    most of the private insurance industry is backing this deal as they stand to gain substantially from having the government mandate their customers' consumption.
     
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    there... you said it. so you give out benefits, too. whose the Socialist-NAY-Marxist now?:razz:
     
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    I can promise you that 3/4 of the Senators whoi voted for this legislation have no fucking clue what it is they have voted for nor do they have any clue what would have actually worked best for the country. And yes they are pushing it, and rushing it when they don't even have it finished behind closed doors and already talk about how quickly they want to pass it. Not vote on it but pass it. Why because they had already spent 6 months writing it so that they could buy the votes they needed to pass it.

    End result is nothing less that a rushed through, nobody knows whats in it, and nobody gives a shit, lets go home for Christmas, we fucking made history, Some kind of health insurance, something or other Bill.
     
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    Yep, your right.

    Reduces costs.....nope
    Lowers premiums.......nope
    Everyone will have insurance.....nope
    Rationing care.....yep

    Just off the cuff, it looks like a failure as to what the democrats were looking for...oh wait, Government expansion......yep

    Ah....there it is, a big win for obama, pelosi, and reid.
     
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    Kinda like getting off heroin right???:cuckoo:
     
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    How can you "promise" me anything about what Senators do and do not know about this bill?

    Are you some sort of mind-reader? Do psychic powers run in your family?
     
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    Troll elsewhere or at least address the true meaning of what people are saying.
     
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    6 months is not enough time when it amounts to 2 trillion dollars being added to the already enormous deficit and a take-over of 6% of our economy. We all agree to health care reform, tort reform, open competition, encourage health savings plans, group small business, make it portable and make it undeniable for pre-existing conditions. This could have all been done to lower the cost of health care and make health insurance much more affordable and it could have been done WITHOUT spending any money to do it.

    It's called LEGISLATING and REGULATIONS ON insurance companies. The American people would have been overwhelmingly for this type of reform, it could have passed with complete bi-partisanship but ooooooooooooooooooooooh noooooooooooooooo, that can't be done, because the agenda of this administration and the liberal congress and senate is not really health care reform it's about power over YOU and YOUR dollar. That's the agenda and it has nothing whatsoever to do with improving health care or lowering the costs of health care or health care insurance.:cuckoo:
     
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    its about putting a bunch of customers in the healthcare system. thats blindingly obvious... the bill also addresses some significant reforms in exchange for that carrot, but without putting a hurt on the medical industry or indemnifying them from their mistakes with tort reforms. then it taxes the industry and consumers such as to mitigate a lot of the cost involved in expanding medicare/medicaid, which are also huge revenue sources for the private health industry.

    its more taxes if youre making 10 times the national average, are riskin it without insurance, even if you can reasonably afford it, or abusing the deductibility of care plans. i dont see what the huge deal is... then again, ive got no kids or any medical problems, and im one of the 10% who buys their own medical coverage, anyhow. seems like a lot of positives for the care industry and the economy. theres some hit-or-miss opportunities for the insured to benefit.

    republicans are whipping. there wont be any bipartisan action with a minority position like that. not in american politics. as a hint, when obama said he wanted to make a bipartisan bill, he wanted to make the GOP look like villains for doing their job, really.

    i think all of you guys have been around for longer than i have, ya ought to know thats how the game goes. politics will be politics.
     

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