House Intel Releases Parnas Docs For Trump Impeachment

[berg80]

"The materials show that Parnas, a Russian-speaker who helped coordinate Giuliani’s outreach to Ukrainian sources, was directly communicating with an array of top Ukrainian officials. Among them was Yuri Lutsenko, at the time Ukraine’s top prosecutor and a close political ally of then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, who was running for reelection.

Lutsenko wanted to get rid of Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador, in part because she had been critical of his office and supported a quasi-independent anti-corruption bureau he despised.

The messages, written in Russian, show Lutsenko urging Parnas to force out Yovanovitch in exchange for cooperation regarding Biden. At one point, Lutsenko suggests he won’t make any helpful public statements unless “madam” is removed."

More evidence Yovanovitch was not removed because of any of the lies Giuliani made up, she was removed because she was an obstacle to the corrupt scheme Trump and Giuliani were working on.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So we have stuff from a left rag that claims notes which could have been written by anyone is earth shattering news.

Geesh. You've become so conditioned to reject anything that adds to the evidence of Trump's guilt it's like a reflex reaction.

WASHINGTON — On the eve of a historic impeachment trial, new details emerged of President Trump’s campaign to solicit political interference from Ukraine, intensifying pressure on Senate Republicans to include witness testimony and additional documents in their proceeding.

Even as Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced a Wednesday vote to name House prosecutors and send the articles of impeachment against Mr. Trump to the Senate for the long-awaited start of the trial, Democrats released a tranche of previously unseen records that bolstered their case.

It included dozens of pages of notes, text messages and other records provided to the Intelligence Committee by Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, detailing work the men did in Ukraine on behalf of the president.

Among them were handwritten notes scrawled on a sheet of hotel paper at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Vienna that mention getting President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to announce an investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son, and a May 2019 letter from Mr. Giuliani requesting a meeting with Mr. Zelensky in which he said Mr. Trump had “knowledge and consent” of his actions.
House to Send Impeachment Charges to Senate as New Evidence Emerges

It's fine to be skeptical about some of the info until its authenticity can be verified. But dismissing it out of hand is..........oh wait...........it's what Trumpers do with incriminating evidence that is revealed.

We're "skeptical" because you on the left have lied about this stuff so often it's become farce at this point! How many times do you think a rational person should believe you when time after time you're shown to have lied? You think anyone should believe anything that comes out of Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler or Nancy Pelosis mouths at this point? Why?

It's far more than just scribbled notes. Text messages, emails all corroborate the case Democrats have been making. Are you going to claim those are false as well?

If that were true, it is still too late.

Says who?

The impeachment is over. The Senate now has to try to case and is under no requirements to consider evidence submitted after the fact, which it has not been, and would still require another impeachment hearing, and vote. Do you really think the Dems will waste the time to have testimony before the Intelligence (or lack thereof) Committee, drafting an new impeachment article after hearings in the Judiciary Committee, and another House vote on impeachment? Pelosi might get that done by summer after Hillary is nominated after a contested convention.

You cannot keep changing the charges in a court case until you get a conviction. That's not how our system works.

 

[The Original Tree]

The House's job is to investigate and create a xase. The Senate's job is to perform as the Jury to evaluate the House's case and render a decision. It is not the Senate's job to do the House's work.

I hear that from Trumpette's all the time. It's complete bullshit. Nothing prevents the Senate from adding documentary evidence or witness testimony to the record except Repub's desire not to hear any more of the already overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt.

 

[berg80]

House Democrats released some of the documents provided to the House Judiciary, Intelligence, and Foreign Affairs Committees on Sunday by Parnas attorney Joseph Bondy, which he received from Manhattan federal prosecutor during the pretrial discovery phase of Parnas’s prosecution on criminal campaign finance charges.

The document dump opens with a handwritten note on a Ritz-Carlton Vienna-branded notepad. “Get Zalensky (sic) to Announce that the Biden case will be investigated,” the note reads.

Another note on a Ritz Carlton Vienna notepad appears to relate to Parnas’ engagement as an “interpreter” for Dmytro Firtash, the Ukrainian gas billionaire. The note contemplates hiring a “lobbiest,” naming two lobbyists as possible options.
READ: House Intel Releases Parnas Docs For Trump Impeachment
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Info in Parnas' possession is a part of the continued release of new information concerning Individual 1's impeachment.
New Ukraine revelations hang over impeachment trial
New Ukraine revelations hang over impeachment trial
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Submission of the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate should not preclude any pertinent, previously unknown evidence to be presented during the Senate trial. I'm sure Trumpette's agree with that seeing as they want to see all the evidence pointing to Crooked Donald's innocence. Wait........there isn't any of that. No wonder they don't want the trial to be a thorough examination of the facts.

If Schiff had this, why didn't he subpeona Parnas in his clown show?

I think Schiff made this up....

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

Let's look at your so called evedince.
You have things from, shall we be kind and call him a shifty person, that not only unverified but really too good to be true. It comes out after the trial has taken place.
It is brought out by a fellow that claimed for years that he had absolute proof that Trump conspired with Russia that has never seen the light of day. We will call this person, again to be kind, questionable. So in short we have unverified material that a shifty person has that they should not have but somehow has. The material shows up late and is somehow like the shining light from above. It comes from a questionable source. Do you see anything at all strange?

Now let's look at your idea that it needs to be brought up during the Senate phase. Unless it can be verified it is just junk. It holds no value.
You want witnesses called by the jury you want something of no value added to the case. 250 years of juris prudence tells us that that can not be done legally. But let's lay that aside for one moment. Why stop with the witnesses the democrats want? I want Watters on the stand, find out why she called for Trump to be impeached so early. Put Pelosi on the stand, find out why she has been trying to impeach for 21/2 years. Put Shiff on, way too many questions to type here. Put Biden on the stand, too many questions to type. Same with 44. In fact let's get most of the democrat party on the stand, we need to get to the bottom of every donor, every kickback, every bribe. We need to know every trip, hotel room, every meal not paid for by them. Let's drag this thing out for the next ten years. Hillary would make a great witness, so would Bill and his Tarmac meting.

But in reality you people have told us for years so many times that you have the smoking gun. The Steele dosiier, Mueller, Stormy Daniels to name just a few. We have heard from every conspiracy left rag, website that you have him now so many times no one pays attention.

So.............what you want is to turn the Senate trial in to a shitshow, just like what the nutbag Repubs in the House wanted to do. You want to muddy the waters with shit in order to distract from the facts. I know why. Because all the facts say Trump is guilty of the accusations made in the articles of impeachment.
What pertinence to the facts does M. Water's opinion of Trump have? NONE.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The House's job is to investigate and create a xase. The Senate's job is to perform as the Jury to evaluate the House's case and render a decision. It is not the Senate's job to do the House's work.

I hear that from Trumpette's all the time. It's complete bullshit. Nothing prevents the Senate from adding documentary evidence or witness testimony to the record except Repub's desire not to hear any more of the already overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt.

Wrong. It's called "discovery" and that ended with the impeachment vote. You cannot unring a bell.

You’re not a lawyer, are you?

No, but I taught law and government for 21 years.It is rather obvious from your naivete, that you aren't close to be a lawyer and likely struggled to even get a GED,

 

[The Original Tree]

Cuz you know unverifiable scribbled notes about a Non Crime written on scraps of paper mean we got him and........

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If Schiff had this, why didn't he subpeona Parnas in his clown show?

I think Schiff made this up....

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

Let's look at your so called evedince.
You have things from, shall we be kind and call him a shifty person, that not only unverified but really too good to be true. It comes out after the trial has taken place.
It is brought out by a fellow that claimed for years that he had absolute proof that Trump conspired with Russia that has never seen the light of day. We will call this person, again to be kind, questionable. So in short we have unverified material that a shifty person has that they should not have but somehow has. The material shows up late and is somehow like the shining light from above. It comes from a questionable source. Do you see anything at all strange?

Now let's look at your idea that it needs to be brought up during the Senate phase. Unless it can be verified it is just junk. It holds no value.
You want witnesses called by the jury you want something of no value added to the case. 250 years of juris prudence tells us that that can not be done legally. But let's lay that aside for one moment. Why stop with the witnesses the democrats want? I want Watters on the stand, find out why she called for Trump to be impeached so early. Put Pelosi on the stand, find out why she has been trying to impeach for 21/2 years. Put Shiff on, way too many questions to type here. Put Biden on the stand, too many questions to type. Same with 44. In fact let's get most of the democrat party on the stand, we need to get to the bottom of every donor, every kickback, every bribe. We need to know every trip, hotel room, every meal not paid for by them. Let's drag this thing out for the next ten years. Hillary would make a great witness, so would Bill and his Tarmac meting.

But in reality you people have told us for years so many times that you have the smoking gun. The Steele dosiier, Mueller, Stormy Daniels to name just a few. We have heard from every conspiracy left rag, website that you have him now so many times no one pays attention.

So.............what you want is to turn the Senate trial in to a shitshow, just like what the nutbag Repubs in the House wanted to do. You want to muddy the waters with shit in order to distract from the facts. I know why. Because all the facts say Trump is guilty of the accusations made in the articles of impeachment.
What pertinence to the facts does M. Water's opinion of Trump have? NONE.

Facts? Facts were already argued in the House impeachment proceedings. Let me put it words you might understand, You don't get a "do-over" because you blew your load in your pants. The prom queen is not going to wait around for you to get it up again. She will go off with the star quarterback to her bells rung!

 

[colfax_m]

I have a doctorate but not in law.

given your extensive experience in law and government, you must be able to point to a law or rule that backs up what you claim.
Can you?

 

[colfax_m]

Geesh. You've become so conditioned to reject anything that adds to the evidence of Trump's guilt it's like a reflex reaction.

WASHINGTON — On the eve of a historic impeachment trial, new details emerged of President Trump’s campaign to solicit political interference from Ukraine, intensifying pressure on Senate Republicans to include witness testimony and additional documents in their proceeding.

Even as Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced a Wednesday vote to name House prosecutors and send the articles of impeachment against Mr. Trump to the Senate for the long-awaited start of the trial, Democrats released a tranche of previously unseen records that bolstered their case.

It included dozens of pages of notes, text messages and other records provided to the Intelligence Committee by Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, detailing work the men did in Ukraine on behalf of the president.

Among them were handwritten notes scrawled on a sheet of hotel paper at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Vienna that mention getting President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to announce an investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son, and a May 2019 letter from Mr. Giuliani requesting a meeting with Mr. Zelensky in which he said Mr. Trump had “knowledge and consent” of his actions.
House to Send Impeachment Charges to Senate as New Evidence Emerges

It's fine to be skeptical about some of the info until its authenticity can be verified. But dismissing it out of hand is..........oh wait...........it's what Trumpers do with incriminating evidence that is revealed.

We're "skeptical" because you on the left have lied about this stuff so often it's become farce at this point! How many times do you think a rational person should believe you when time after time you're shown to have lied? You think anyone should believe anything that comes out of Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler or Nancy Pelosis mouths at this point? Why?

It's far more than just scribbled notes. Text messages, emails all corroborate the case Democrats have been making. Are you going to claim those are false as well?

If that were true, it is still too late.

Says who?

The impeachment is over. The Senate now has to try to case and is under no requirements to consider evidence submitted after the fact, which it has not been, and would still require another impeachment hearing, and vote. Do you really think the Dems will waste the time to have testimony before the Intelligence (or lack thereof) Committee, drafting an new impeachment article after hearings in the Judiciary Committee, and another House vote on impeachment? Pelosi might get that done by summer after Hillary is nominated after a contested convention.

You cannot keep changing the charges in a court case until you get a conviction. That's not how our system works.

I see the confusion. No one is talking about changing the charges. Where did you get that?

This is all about what evidence the Senate will be evaluating. In a criminal trial (which this is not) new evidence can be submitted. In impeachment, all that it takes is Senators who are interested in the truth.

 

[berg80]

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

Let's look at your so called evedince.
You have things from, shall we be kind and call him a shifty person, that not only unverified but really too good to be true. It comes out after the trial has taken place.
It is brought out by a fellow that claimed for years that he had absolute proof that Trump conspired with Russia that has never seen the light of day. We will call this person, again to be kind, questionable. So in short we have unverified material that a shifty person has that they should not have but somehow has. The material shows up late and is somehow like the shining light from above. It comes from a questionable source. Do you see anything at all strange?

Now let's look at your idea that it needs to be brought up during the Senate phase. Unless it can be verified it is just junk. It holds no value.
You want witnesses called by the jury you want something of no value added to the case. 250 years of juris prudence tells us that that can not be done legally. But let's lay that aside for one moment. Why stop with the witnesses the democrats want? I want Watters on the stand, find out why she called for Trump to be impeached so early. Put Pelosi on the stand, find out why she has been trying to impeach for 21/2 years. Put Shiff on, way too many questions to type here. Put Biden on the stand, too many questions to type. Same with 44. In fact let's get most of the democrat party on the stand, we need to get to the bottom of every donor, every kickback, every bribe. We need to know every trip, hotel room, every meal not paid for by them. Let's drag this thing out for the next ten years. Hillary would make a great witness, so would Bill and his Tarmac meting.

But in reality you people have told us for years so many times that you have the smoking gun. The Steele dosiier, Mueller, Stormy Daniels to name just a few. We have heard from every conspiracy left rag, website that you have him now so many times no one pays attention.

So.............what you want is to turn the Senate trial in to a shitshow, just like what the nutbag Repubs in the House wanted to do. You want to muddy the waters with shit in order to distract from the facts. I know why. Because all the facts say Trump is guilty of the accusations made in the articles of impeachment.
What pertinence to the facts does M. Water's opinion of Trump have? NONE.

Facts? Facts were already argued in the House impeachment proceedings. Let me put it words you might understand, You don't get a "do-over" because you blew your load in your pants. The prom queen is not going to wait around for you to get it up again. She will go off with the star quarterback to her bells rung!

The only thing preventing more evidence from being included in the Senate proceeding is Mitch McTreason. There are no procedural, legal, constitutional, or ethical impediments other than Repub's desire that no more damning evidence be presented than there already has been.

 

[j-mac]

House Democrats released some of the documents provided to the House Judiciary, Intelligence, and Foreign Affairs Committees on Sunday by Parnas attorney Joseph Bondy, which he received from Manhattan federal prosecutor during the pretrial discovery phase of Parnas’s prosecution on criminal campaign finance charges.

The document dump opens with a handwritten note on a Ritz-Carlton Vienna-branded notepad. “Get Zalensky (sic) to Announce that the Biden case will be investigated,” the note reads.

Another note on a Ritz Carlton Vienna notepad appears to relate to Parnas’ engagement as an “interpreter” for Dmytro Firtash, the Ukrainian gas billionaire. The note contemplates hiring a “lobbiest,” naming two lobbyists as possible options.
READ: House Intel Releases Parnas Docs For Trump Impeachment
..................................................................................................................................
Info in Parnas' possession is a part of the continued release of new information concerning Individual 1's impeachment.
New Ukraine revelations hang over impeachment trial
New Ukraine revelations hang over impeachment trial
..........................................................................................................................................
Submission of the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate should not preclude any pertinent, previously unknown evidence to be presented during the Senate trial. I'm sure Trumpette's agree with that seeing as they want to see all the evidence pointing to Crooked Donald's innocence. Wait........there isn't any of that. No wonder they don't want the trial to be a thorough examination of the facts.

If Schiff had this, why didn't he subpeona Parnas in his clown show?

I think Schiff made this up....

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

You said it yourself....IF it's verified....Sorry, that is not the Senate's job in this....Y'all had your chance in the House, and chose to put together a flimsy, BS case for impeachment, and Democrats voted, on a partisan line, because of their hatred of Trump, not because anything the house committees put forth anything of substance, so whe you lose it in the Senate, you'll have to live with that, as well as the repercussions of this whole crap infested whine fest y'all have been on for 3 years now...

 

[The Original Tree]

We're "skeptical" because you on the left have lied about this stuff so often it's become farce at this point! How many times do you think a rational person should believe you when time after time you're shown to have lied? You think anyone should believe anything that comes out of Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler or Nancy Pelosis mouths at this point? Why?

It's far more than just scribbled notes. Text messages, emails all corroborate the case Democrats have been making. Are you going to claim those are false as well?

If that were true, it is still too late.

Says who?

The impeachment is over. The Senate now has to try to case and is under no requirements to consider evidence submitted after the fact, which it has not been, and would still require another impeachment hearing, and vote. Do you really think the Dems will waste the time to have testimony before the Intelligence (or lack thereof) Committee, drafting an new impeachment article after hearings in the Judiciary Committee, and another House vote on impeachment? Pelosi might get that done by summer after Hillary is nominated after a contested convention.

You cannot keep changing the charges in a court case until you get a conviction. That's not how our system works.

I see the confusion. No one is talking about changing the charges. Where did you get that?

This is all about what evidence the Senate will be evaluating. In a criminal trial (which this is not) new evidence can be submitted. In impeachment, all that it takes is Senators who are interested in the truth.

Forged Notes from Mommy ain't getting the DemNazis out of their punishment this time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Geesh. You've become so conditioned to reject anything that adds to the evidence of Trump's guilt it's like a reflex reaction.

WASHINGTON — On the eve of a historic impeachment trial, new details emerged of President Trump’s campaign to solicit political interference from Ukraine, intensifying pressure on Senate Republicans to include witness testimony and additional documents in their proceeding.

Even as Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced a Wednesday vote to name House prosecutors and send the articles of impeachment against Mr. Trump to the Senate for the long-awaited start of the trial, Democrats released a tranche of previously unseen records that bolstered their case.

It included dozens of pages of notes, text messages and other records provided to the Intelligence Committee by Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, detailing work the men did in Ukraine on behalf of the president.

Among them were handwritten notes scrawled on a sheet of hotel paper at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Vienna that mention getting President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine to announce an investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son, and a May 2019 letter from Mr. Giuliani requesting a meeting with Mr. Zelensky in which he said Mr. Trump had “knowledge and consent” of his actions.
House to Send Impeachment Charges to Senate as New Evidence Emerges

It's fine to be skeptical about some of the info until its authenticity can be verified. But dismissing it out of hand is..........oh wait...........it's what Trumpers do with incriminating evidence that is revealed.

We're "skeptical" because you on the left have lied about this stuff so often it's become farce at this point! How many times do you think a rational person should believe you when time after time you're shown to have lied? You think anyone should believe anything that comes out of Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler or Nancy Pelosis mouths at this point? Why?

It's far more than just scribbled notes. Text messages, emails all corroborate the case Democrats have been making. Are you going to claim those are false as well?

What case?

If you don’t know by now, I doubt anything I can do will change that.

Obviously, Trumpette's are increasingly annoyed as more and more evidence corroborates the fact that Trump directed a scheme to extort Ukraine..................and got caught.

Extort? You don't know what that word means, do you? Even the Democraps abandoned that albatross before impeachment proceedings ever began because it was a non-starter. Even they know that would fly like a lead balloon.

 

[kyzr]

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

Let's look at your so called evedince.
You have things from, shall we be kind and call him a shifty person, that not only unverified but really too good to be true. It comes out after the trial has taken place.
It is brought out by a fellow that claimed for years that he had absolute proof that Trump conspired with Russia that has never seen the light of day. We will call this person, again to be kind, questionable. So in short we have unverified material that a shifty person has that they should not have but somehow has. The material shows up late and is somehow like the shining light from above. It comes from a questionable source. Do you see anything at all strange?

Now let's look at your idea that it needs to be brought up during the Senate phase. Unless it can be verified it is just junk. It holds no value.
You want witnesses called by the jury you want something of no value added to the case. 250 years of juris prudence tells us that that can not be done legally. But let's lay that aside for one moment. Why stop with the witnesses the democrats want? I want Watters on the stand, find out why she called for Trump to be impeached so early. Put Pelosi on the stand, find out why she has been trying to impeach for 21/2 years. Put Shiff on, way too many questions to type here. Put Biden on the stand, too many questions to type. Same with 44. In fact let's get most of the democrat party on the stand, we need to get to the bottom of every donor, every kickback, every bribe. We need to know every trip, hotel room, every meal not paid for by them. Let's drag this thing out for the next ten years. Hillary would make a great witness, so would Bill and his Tarmac meting.

But in reality you people have told us for years so many times that you have the smoking gun. The Steele dosiier, Mueller, Stormy Daniels to name just a few. We have heard from every conspiracy left rag, website that you have him now so many times no one pays attention.

So.............what you want is to turn the Senate trial in to a shitshow, just like what the nutbag Repubs in the House wanted to do. You want to muddy the waters with shit in order to distract from the facts. I know why. Because all the facts say Trump is guilty of the accusations made in the articles of impeachment.
What pertinence to the facts does M. Water's opinion of Trump have? NONE.

Facts? Facts were already argued in the House impeachment proceedings. Let me put it words you might understand, You don't get a "do-over" because you blew your load in your pants. The prom queen is not going to wait around for you to get it up again. She will go off with the star quarterback to her bells rung!

The only thing preventing more evidence from being included in the Senate proceeding is Mitch McTreason. There are no procedural, legal, constitutional, or ethical impediments other than Repub's desire that no more damning evidence be presented than there already has been.

The House impeached Trump on the "evidence" it had and passed two Articles:

Article-2 should be dismissed immediately because the USSC voided it when they took the Trump vs House subpoena for tax records. Trump does in-fact have the right to legal remedies and that is NOT "obstruction of the House". There is no such thing. That charge is moronic and an "Abuse of Power" by the House.
Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment

Article-1 can be litigated in trial, but all of the "hearsay" evidence needs to be thrown out per senate rules of evidence. So Article-1 can't be proven and Trump will be acquitted.

As Professor Turley said, "there was an abuse of power, by the House of Representatives".

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The House's job is to investigate and create a xase. The Senate's job is to perform as the Jury to evaluate the House's case and render a decision. It is not the Senate's job to do the House's work.

I hear that from Trumpette's all the time. It's complete bullshit. Nothing prevents the Senate from adding documentary evidence or witness testimony to the record except Repub's desire not to hear any more of the already overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt.

Wrong. It's called "discovery" and that ended with the impeachment vote. You cannot unring a bell.

You folks want to have it both ways. Sometimes arguing the Senate trial is a legal proceeding, sometimes not. That inconsistency is a sign you keep needing the switch defenses because neither of them is working for you.

The Senate decides. Not you!

 

[colfax_m]

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

Let's look at your so called evedince.
You have things from, shall we be kind and call him a shifty person, that not only unverified but really too good to be true. It comes out after the trial has taken place.
It is brought out by a fellow that claimed for years that he had absolute proof that Trump conspired with Russia that has never seen the light of day. We will call this person, again to be kind, questionable. So in short we have unverified material that a shifty person has that they should not have but somehow has. The material shows up late and is somehow like the shining light from above. It comes from a questionable source. Do you see anything at all strange?

Now let's look at your idea that it needs to be brought up during the Senate phase. Unless it can be verified it is just junk. It holds no value.
You want witnesses called by the jury you want something of no value added to the case. 250 years of juris prudence tells us that that can not be done legally. But let's lay that aside for one moment. Why stop with the witnesses the democrats want? I want Watters on the stand, find out why she called for Trump to be impeached so early. Put Pelosi on the stand, find out why she has been trying to impeach for 21/2 years. Put Shiff on, way too many questions to type here. Put Biden on the stand, too many questions to type. Same with 44. In fact let's get most of the democrat party on the stand, we need to get to the bottom of every donor, every kickback, every bribe. We need to know every trip, hotel room, every meal not paid for by them. Let's drag this thing out for the next ten years. Hillary would make a great witness, so would Bill and his Tarmac meting.

But in reality you people have told us for years so many times that you have the smoking gun. The Steele dosiier, Mueller, Stormy Daniels to name just a few. We have heard from every conspiracy left rag, website that you have him now so many times no one pays attention.

So.............what you want is to turn the Senate trial in to a shitshow, just like what the nutbag Repubs in the House wanted to do. You want to muddy the waters with shit in order to distract from the facts. I know why. Because all the facts say Trump is guilty of the accusations made in the articles of impeachment.
What pertinence to the facts does M. Water's opinion of Trump have? NONE.

Facts? Facts were already argued in the House impeachment proceedings. Let me put it words you might understand, You don't get a "do-over" because you blew your load in your pants. The prom queen is not going to wait around for you to get it up again. She will go off with the star quarterback to her bells rung!

The only thing preventing more evidence from being included in the Senate proceeding is Mitch McTreason. There are no procedural, legal, constitutional, or ethical impediments other than Repub's desire that no more damning evidence be presented than there already has been.

The House impeached Trump on the "evidence" it had and passed two Articles:

Article-2 should be dismissed immediately because the USSC voided it when they took the Trump vs House subpoena for tax records. Trump does in-fact have the right to legal remedies and that is NOT "obstruction of the House". There is no such thing. That charge is moronic and an "Abuse of Power" by the House.
Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment

Article-1 can be litigated in trial, but all of the "hearsay" evidence needs to be thrown out per senate rules of evidence. So Article-1 can't be proven and Trump will be acquitted.

As Professor Turley said, "there was an abuse of power, by the House of Representatives".

There’s no such thing as “Senate rules of evidence”. There are federal court rules of evidence which does allow hearsay in a great many instances.

Obstruction of Congress was one of the articles against Nixon. It exists because Congress says it exists. Trump is abusing his power by refusing to cooperate with Congress. This is legal remedy for Congress to exert their constitutional authority to investigate and oversee the executive.

 

[berg80]

House Democrats released some of the documents provided to the House Judiciary, Intelligence, and Foreign Affairs Committees on Sunday by Parnas attorney Joseph Bondy, which he received from Manhattan federal prosecutor during the pretrial discovery phase of Parnas’s prosecution on criminal campaign finance charges.

The document dump opens with a handwritten note on a Ritz-Carlton Vienna-branded notepad. “Get Zalensky (sic) to Announce that the Biden case will be investigated,” the note reads.

Another note on a Ritz Carlton Vienna notepad appears to relate to Parnas’ engagement as an “interpreter” for Dmytro Firtash, the Ukrainian gas billionaire. The note contemplates hiring a “lobbiest,” naming two lobbyists as possible options.
READ: House Intel Releases Parnas Docs For Trump Impeachment
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Info in Parnas' possession is a part of the continued release of new information concerning Individual 1's impeachment.
New Ukraine revelations hang over impeachment trial
New Ukraine revelations hang over impeachment trial
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Submission of the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate should not preclude any pertinent, previously unknown evidence to be presented during the Senate trial. I'm sure Trumpette's agree with that seeing as they want to see all the evidence pointing to Crooked Donald's innocence. Wait........there isn't any of that. No wonder they don't want the trial to be a thorough examination of the facts.

If Schiff had this, why didn't he subpeona Parnas in his clown show?

I think Schiff made this up....

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

You said it yourself....IF it's verified....Sorry, that is not the Senate's job in this....Y'all had your chance in the House, and chose to put together a flimsy, BS case for impeachment, and Democrats voted, on a partisan line, because of their hatred of Trump, not because anything the house committees put forth anything of substance, so whe you lose it in the Senate, you'll have to live with that, as well as the repercussions of this whole crap infested whine fest y'all have been on for 3 years now...

You folks are beating this "it's not the Senate's job" meme to death. We are talking about the most consequential thing a Senate can do. Contemplate the impeachment of a prez. All the evidence that is available needs to be presented. The fact that Repubs don't want it to be speaks volumes about their fear of being exposed in violating their oath if they acquit.

 

[j-mac]

If Schiff had this, why didn't he subpeona Parnas in his clown show?

I think Schiff made this up....

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

Let's look at your so called evedince.
You have things from, shall we be kind and call him a shifty person, that not only unverified but really too good to be true. It comes out after the trial has taken place.
It is brought out by a fellow that claimed for years that he had absolute proof that Trump conspired with Russia that has never seen the light of day. We will call this person, again to be kind, questionable. So in short we have unverified material that a shifty person has that they should not have but somehow has. The material shows up late and is somehow like the shining light from above. It comes from a questionable source. Do you see anything at all strange?

Now let's look at your idea that it needs to be brought up during the Senate phase. Unless it can be verified it is just junk. It holds no value.
You want witnesses called by the jury you want something of no value added to the case. 250 years of juris prudence tells us that that can not be done legally. But let's lay that aside for one moment. Why stop with the witnesses the democrats want? I want Watters on the stand, find out why she called for Trump to be impeached so early. Put Pelosi on the stand, find out why she has been trying to impeach for 21/2 years. Put Shiff on, way too many questions to type here. Put Biden on the stand, too many questions to type. Same with 44. In fact let's get most of the democrat party on the stand, we need to get to the bottom of every donor, every kickback, every bribe. We need to know every trip, hotel room, every meal not paid for by them. Let's drag this thing out for the next ten years. Hillary would make a great witness, so would Bill and his Tarmac meting.

But in reality you people have told us for years so many times that you have the smoking gun. The Steele dosiier, Mueller, Stormy Daniels to name just a few. We have heard from every conspiracy left rag, website that you have him now so many times no one pays attention.

So.............what you want is to turn the Senate trial in to a shitshow, just like what the nutbag Repubs in the House wanted to do. You want to muddy the waters with shit in order to distract from the facts. I know why. Because all the facts say Trump is guilty of the accusations made in the articles of impeachment.
What pertinence to the facts does M. Water's opinion of Trump have? NONE.

You've done to the term "facts" exactly what you did to the term "racist", and that is bastardized it so, that it is now meaningless....Congrats.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have a doctorate but not in law.

given your extensive experience in law and government, you must be able to point to a law or rule that backs up what you claim.
Can you?

You obviously have a doctorate but are dumb as a post when it comes to quoting the post to which you are replying.

You can't point to a law backing up your claim. I don't have to do so. That is the prosecution's responsibility upon which they "clutched-up".

 

[The Original Tree]

If Schiff had this, why didn't he subpeona Parnas in his clown show?

I think Schiff made this up....

Schiff just received these documents from Lev Parnas' lawyer today.

Parnas was arrested just as the Ukranian Scandal broke, and initially both Lev and Igor refused to cooperate with prosecutorsand refused to provide information to the government. But then Dumb Donald did his usual "I don't even know these guys" disavowel he does whenever any of his minions get caught doing illegal shit.

Lev's feelings were incredibly hurt. He thought he had a special relationship with Trump. When Trump dissed him on national television, Lev got mad, changed lawyers, and started cooperating with the feds. This evidence is the result of Lev's hissy fit that Donnie didn't defend him.

Well, well, isn't that convenient.....But hey, probably made up documents, why not make up the back story as well....

So......Parnas is under indictment by the SDNY. His lawyer has been asking the SDNY to allow him to release documents to the House Intel Committee, permission for which was granted on a limited amount of documents. That is why the House didn't receive the documents until Sunday. The info, if it can be verified, is obviously pertinent to the impeachment proceeding so members of the committee wanted to make sure they would be passed along to the Senate along with the Articles of Impeachment.

In some ways these documents provide more questions than answers. Obviously the material needs to be authenticated. BUT, LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION DISCLOSED THUS FAR, IT POINTS TO TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHEME TO EXTORT ZELENSKY FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN.

You said it yourself....IF it's verified....Sorry, that is not the Senate's job in this....Y'all had your chance in the House, and chose to put together a flimsy, BS case for impeachment, and Democrats voted, on a partisan line, because of their hatred of Trump, not because anything the house committees put forth anything of substance, so whe you lose it in the Senate, you'll have to live with that, as well as the repercussions of this whole crap infested whine fest y'all have been on for 3 years now...

You folks are beating this "it's not the Senate's job" meme to death. We are talking about the most consequential thing a Senate can do. Contemplate the impeachment of a prez. All the evidence that is available needs to be presented. The fact that Repubs don't want it to be speaks volumes about their fear of being exposed in violating their oath if they acquit.

Wrong Dotard. The Senate only reviews The House Case and applies rules of evidence and in this case there was no Evidence. Not even Schiff's fake whistle blowers were willing to testify to the only real so called evidence they had.

Why do you foreign assholes not understand how our government works?