House GOP’s Ryan to unveil new budget

[grunt11b]

THIS guy will be setting the GOP priorties in the upcoming election?

For the good of the GOP, not the Nation.

Fear monger much?
You say that like everything the democrats have done in the last 4 years has been good for the nation and has not brought the economy even further to the brink.

 

[eflatminor]

medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government.

No, because insurance companies cannot dictate what is and what isn't to be covered in their competitor's policies. Only the government can do that. Also, insurance companies run on the narrowest of margins, among the lowest of any major industry out there. That is clearly NOT the case with government.

 

[Syphon]

medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government.

No, because insurance companies cannot dictate what is and what isn't to be covered in their competitor's policies. Only the government can do that. Also, insurance companies run on the narrowest of margins, among the lowest of any major industry out there. That is clearly NOT the case with government.

since medicare doesnt have any competitors, your argument is invalid. there is no other single payor programs out there in any industry that compares to medicare. everyone pays into medicare whether you want to or not, and whether you use services or not.

those narrow margins allowed United Health Care to profit $4.6 Billion in 2011.
making it the 32nd most profitable corporation in the US. Imagine if they were a non profit and had to use the $4.6B on health care services, how many people would that cover? at $300 a month for a premium, that would have covered 1.277 M people. or it could have cut the cost of premiums for all its members....
Fortune 500 2011: Top Performers - Most Profitable Companies: Profits

 

[EriktheRed]

From the OP link........

But the document will be an important symbolic outline of Republican priorities in a key election year

I find this a very telling statement.

So what the article is stating is that Ryan will be the one to set the priorities for the entire GOP platform?

The same Ryan whose last budget eliminated Medicare as we know it?

Ryan?s Budget Attempts to End Medicare and Shift Costs to Seniors

The same Ryan whose budget his own party and the American people rejected?

Poll: Conservatives And Republicans Oppose Ryan Budget | TPMDC

Poll: Americans don’t support Ryan-budget | Right Across the Atlantic

THIS guy will be setting the GOP priorties in the upcoming election?

I can't wait to see the details. This ought to be good.

They know it's not going anywhere, but they have to get their Teahad base revved up.

 

[Claudette]

government run medicare is the most popular and widely used government service. it also keeps costs down as much as possible. if many americans had the the choice, they would actually use medicare services if they were afforded to them.

Wonder how popular it would be if you could use only the money you personally have put into it??

If when your money ran out you weren't funded by those paying behind you??

Somehow I think it would lose loads of its popularity.

medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government.

lets say you have private insurance and you need heart surgery. in the end the cost for all your treatment is $500,000. lets say over the years you have paid in $50k in the way of premiums. by your logic, the insurance company wouldnt have to cover your procedure since you havent paid enough money into the system. is that what you are advocating?

Nope.

I'm saying what if you could only us exactly what you payed into the system, not the money that was payed in by those coming behind you??

When you use up YOUR money your out of money.

Rather like your check book or ATM card. When your out. Your out.

 

[Syphon]

Wonder how popular it would be if you could use only the money you personally have put into it??

If when your money ran out you weren't funded by those paying behind you??

Somehow I think it would lose loads of its popularity.

medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government.

lets say you have private insurance and you need heart surgery. in the end the cost for all your treatment is $500,000. lets say over the years you have paid in $50k in the way of premiums. by your logic, the insurance company wouldnt have to cover your procedure since you havent paid enough money into the system. is that what you are advocating?

Nope.

I'm saying what if you could only us exactly what you payed into the system, not the money that was payed in by those coming behind you??

When you use up YOUR money your out of money.

Rather like your check book or ATM card. When your out. Your out.

then it wouldnt be insurance, it would be pay as you go

 

[Claudette]

Ahh. I see what your saying.

Just a little slow on Monday. LOL

 

[Conservative]

INTERACTIVE: The Federal Budget Process (washingtonpost.com)
DT... look at section 2...

Once the president lays out his proposal, the House and Senate budget committees can begin writing their budget resolutions. The budget resolution sets targets for spending and tax revenue and identifies any policies that will need to move through reconciliation. The resolutions are sent to the floor for a vote, and differences are resolved in conference.

If the Senate cannot introduce a budget resolution, then what is there to reconcile with the House budget resolution?

looks like Dick Tuck tucked his dick in and ran when confronted by reality.

bump

 

[eflatminor]

...there is no other single payor programs out there in any industry that compares to medicare. everyone pays into medicare whether you want to or not, and whether you use services or not.

So when you stated "medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government", you were lying...or full of shit?

those narrow margins allowed United Health Care to profit $4.6 Billion in 2011.
making it the 32nd most profitable corporation in the US.

Yet, they still run the among the narrowest margins of any industry. It happens to be a very big industry, so the profits can be high. Still, the margins are low. This means they run relatively efficiently. Not the case with government.

Imagine if they were a non profit and had to use the $4.6B on health care services, how many people would that cover?

All healthcare should be non-profit, eh? That's certainly going to attracted a ton of capital. Just think of all the advancements that will occur...with no profit incentive.

God you're ignorant.

 

[Syphon]

...there is no other single payor programs out there in any industry that compares to medicare. everyone pays into medicare whether you want to or not, and whether you use services or not.

So when you stated "medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government", you were lying...or full of shit?

those narrow margins allowed United Health Care to profit $4.6 Billion in 2011.
making it the 32nd most profitable corporation in the US.

Yet, they still run the among the narrowest margins of any industry. It happens to be a very big industry, so the profits can be high. Still, the margins are low. This means they run relatively efficiently. Not the case with government.

Imagine if they were a non profit and had to use the $4.6B on health care services, how many people would that cover?

All healthcare should be non-profit, eh? That's certainly going to attracted a ton of capital. Just think of all the advancements that will occur...with no profit incentive.

God you're ignorant.

Kaiser is a non profit, and they are one of the best at managed care around.

if everyone also took the Kaiser model and both offering insurance, as well as owning and operating their own hospitals, rates would fall.

 

[rdean]

Ryan's "medicare" plan relies upon either insurance companies to make up cost inefficiencies or for seniors to pay what their "subsidy" doesn't.
Why don't you just ask the American people if they trust insurance companies to keep costs down when they're on the hook for the additional amount? That's what you're doing, aren't you?

In defense of Paul Ryan's Medicare plan - Term Sheet

By far the most significant -- and revolutionary -- proposal in Congressman Paul Ryan's 2012 budget is its blueprint for taming Medicare. According to the Congressional Budget Office's analysis, issued on April 5th, the Ryan plan would totally reverse the course of recent fiscal history by lowering federal health care spending from 8% of GDP today to just 5% by 2050. If we remain on the current course, the spending would jump to 14% in that time frame.

In all the Ryan proposals, enrollees in the new regime would use the government's contribution to shop from a broad array of private insurance plans offered by a Medicare exchange. That system is modeled on the highly successful Federal Employee Health Benefits Program, where government workers choose from a wide variety of offerings, from deluxe fee-for-service plans to basic high-deductible programs.

Still, the rise in costs for the elderly could prove far less than the giant annual increases we're experiencing today. We've simply never seen a competitive environment like the one in the Ryan blueprint. "The Obama plan is all about price controls," says Joseph Antos, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute. "Ryan's is all about unleashing the market."

The Ryan plan has another major strength: It will stop heaping a bigger and bigger Medicare burden onto younger taxpayers. Ryan is making a bold, wrenching choice that wins because it's less painful than all the others.

What are you? About 12 or 13? Cuz you can't be that stupid. It just isn't possible.

 

[eflatminor]

...there is no other single payor programs out there in any industry that compares to medicare. everyone pays into medicare whether you want to or not, and whether you use services or not.

So when you stated "medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government", you were lying...or full of shit?



Yet, they still run the among the narrowest margins of any industry. It happens to be a very big industry, so the profits can be high. Still, the margins are low. This means they run relatively efficiently. Not the case with government.

Imagine if they were a non profit and had to use the $4.6B on health care services, how many people would that cover?

All healthcare should be non-profit, eh? That's certainly going to attracted a ton of capital. Just think of all the advancements that will occur...with no profit incentive.

God you're ignorant.

Kaiser is a non profit, and they are one of the best at managed care around.

if everyone also took the Kaiser model and both offering insurance, as well as owning and operating their own hospitals, rates would fall.

If everyone took Kaiser's approach, what would be the impetus for entrepreneurs and capital investors to focus on the healthcare industry? A few non-profits within an industry is one thing, an ENTIRE industry being forced into non-profit status is quite another. It is competition that allows costs to decline, not central planning as to how an industry is operated, which has the exact opposite effect.

 

[rdean]

House GOP’s Ryan to unveil new budget - The Washington Post

Congress is preparing to renew its bitter fight over government spending, as both parties eagerly await the arrival Tuesday of a new budget plan authored by Republican Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.).

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee immediately responded with a series of statements charging that Ryan will lean on seniors to reduce the debt without addressing tax rates for the wealthy.

magically, Democrats know what is in the proposal, even before it is made. How... precognitive of them.


Of course it is. The real 'Party of no' couldn't possibly even seriously consider a proposal by a mere Republican. Not in an election year.

Republican leaders believe it is critical to unify the often fractious House GOP around such a document, in part to contrast the Republican-led House with the Democratic-led Senate, which has failed to pass a budget, as required by law, in nearly three years.

Odd how I have yet to see a democratic leaning poster in here condemn the Democrat-led Senate for not following the law for 3 years.

Ryan also must decide whether to replicate the Medicare reform package he included in last year’s budget, which would provide seniors payments to purchase private insurance.

He could instead include the revamped version that he unveiled late last year with Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). It would preserve a government-run Medicare option alongside new private plans.

Well, at least 1 Democrat understands the meaning on bipartisan.

Republicans haven't made it an issue because their number one goal is to drive the first African American president out of office. Even before he was sworn in, their number one goal was to make him fail. The fact this comes from a party that's 90% white explains it all.

 

[snakedoc]

Any word on when the Senate unveil a budget?

Duh, all bills originate in the House, not the Senate. When the House sends them a bill, only then are they authorized to amend it. That's basic seventh grade civics.

The house has sent them budgets bills whatever you want to call it Harry Reid has declared them all DOA. So who is really doing what they were elected to and who is not ?

 

[jillian]

It's not about "government spending". It's about moving the wealth of the country to the top 1%, something Republicans work desperately for and Democrats work against.

thanks for yet another post that has zero to do with the thread topic.

actually it was a response to your comment. you can disagree with him or not, but it was a fair response given your "observation".

 

[Syphon]

So when you stated "medicare works the same way as insurance, its just run through the government", you were lying...or full of shit?



Yet, they still run the among the narrowest margins of any industry. It happens to be a very big industry, so the profits can be high. Still, the margins are low. This means they run relatively efficiently. Not the case with government.



All healthcare should be non-profit, eh? That's certainly going to attracted a ton of capital. Just think of all the advancements that will occur...with no profit incentive.

God you're ignorant.

Kaiser is a non profit, and they are one of the best at managed care around.

if everyone also took the Kaiser model and both offering insurance, as well as owning and operating their own hospitals, rates would fall.

If everyone took Kaiser's approach, what would be the impetus for entrepreneurs and capital investors to focus on the healthcare industry? A few non-profits within an industry is one thing, an ENTIRE industry being forced into non-profit status is quite another. It is competition that allows costs to decline, not central planning as to how an industry is operated, which has the exact opposite effect.

who said investors need to be involved in health care in the first place? if a health care companys main motivation is profit, the patient (i.e. customer) loses out in the end. the only way for health care companies to increase profit is 1 - increase revenues (increased premiums) 2 - increased revenues (adding more subscribers) 3 - decreased expenditures (decreased services). if #1 happens, #2 automatically become null and void since as prices increase more and more people can not afford the product. so what is left? simply #3 which is decreasing expenses which means providing less services to patients. thus hurting the patient or customer.

look at every other nation in the world who has universal health care. they pay a fraction of the cost we do as nation and are all non profits. the US ranks #36 in health care in the world. Canada provides better health care than we do at a fraction of the cost. Frances health care systems provide 1 year of state paid nanny services when you have a child. in the US the government pays only 45% of all health care services, in japan they pay over 80% and their life expectancy is 4 year longer.


Health care system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[eflatminor]

who said investors need to be involved in health care in the first place?

Sure, because advances in technology are paid for with magic beans. Brilliant idea you have there.

 

[Syphon]

who said investors need to be involved in health care in the first place?

Sure, because advances in technology are paid for with magic beans. Brilliant idea you have there.

since when did hospitals build their own medical equipment? kaiser is non profit but that doesn't mean GE is non profit, or amgen is non profit, or Pfizer or AstraZeneca is non profit.

nice fail... try again....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Republicans haven't made it an issue because their number one goal is to drive the first African American president out of office.

That Obama is a democrat is more than sufficient motive. But republicans clearly put party before country.

 

[eflatminor]

who said investors need to be involved in health care in the first place?

Sure, because advances in technology are paid for with magic beans. Brilliant idea you have there.

since when did hospitals build their own medical equipment? kaiser is non profit but that doesn't mean GE is non profit, or amgen is non profit, or Pfizer or AstraZeneca is non profit.

nice fail... try again....

You made the case for forcing non profit status on the ENTIRE industry. Now it's only hospitals. Disingenuous much? Either way, you have no legal basis for forcing any part of any industry into any status.