House Dem Caucus votes to reject tax compromise

[MaggieMae]

First Read - House Dem Caucus votes to reject tax compromise

From NBC's Luke Russert


In a non-binding vote Thursday, the House Democratic Caucus voted to reject the president's tax compromise.

This is significant in the sense that it shows how many House Democrats are angry about the compromise with Republicans to temporarily extend the cuts for the highest earners, but it is not binding in regards to legislation that goes to the floor.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, who controls how legislation comes to the House floor, said on Morning Joe today that Democrats need to back the President's deal.

But sources tell NBC News that with enough GOP support, there are enough moderate Democrats and rank and file Democrats to reach 218 in the House.

so does this mean that the dem party is saying no to it's leader? This was the first public comprimise and the dems in Congress are pissed?

*sigh*

So much for bipartisanly fucking us all over at the same time.

This is going to end badly for all of us.

It's like the talking heads on Fox say. "the dems gotta have time to sweeten the deal and load the bill up with pork" The Republicans will then decide not to vote Yay. they will change to Nay. The Tea Party has already sent Republicans some warning shots.

They'll vote Nay and allow the tax cuts to expire? On themselves and the rich?
DUH!!!

No, dear, they won't.

 

[Jeremy]

Yes, which is actually why the economy is currently burgeoning after 10 years of the Bush tax cuts! And why it did so poorly under Clinton, who had the same tax rates we're flirting with returning to! Wait....

The tax cuts were originally enacted in 2001 and 2003 - let's see what happened from then until the housing bubble burst shall we.....?

Suitably Flip: It's Official: Bush Economy Achieves Longest Period Of Job Creation On Record

At 49 months..., the Bush streak now stands alone as the longest unbroken period of job creation since we started tracking it in 1939.

Oops.

So again, you acknowledge that the economy has a lot more contributing factors than just "What's the tax rate" and "Which party is in power." But for conservatives, that sentiment only seems to hold true when the economy tanks under conservatives. When it does poorly under Democrats, it's always the democrat's fault?

Why did the housing bubble bring the economy to it's knees? The low tax rates which have been in force all along should have kept things afloat... No?

Oh for fuck's sake. It's almost not even worth trying....

Tell me this. How would the economy have done under Bush, after the Tech bubble bursting and the worst terrorist attacks in history, had the tax rates NOT been touched? Do you honestly belive that they had nothing to do with the longest period of sustained job creation in recorded American history? And this has nothing to do with party affiliation by the way. Still don't know where you pulled that out of.

 

[NYcarbineer]

First Read - House Dem Caucus votes to reject tax compromise

From NBC's Luke Russert


In a non-binding vote Thursday, the House Democratic Caucus voted to reject the president's tax compromise.

This is significant in the sense that it shows how many House Democrats are angry about the compromise with Republicans to temporarily extend the cuts for the highest earners, but it is not binding in regards to legislation that goes to the floor.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, who controls how legislation comes to the House floor, said on Morning Joe today that Democrats need to back the President's deal.

But sources tell NBC News that with enough GOP support, there are enough moderate Democrats and rank and file Democrats to reach 218 in the House.

so does this mean that the dem party is saying no to it's leader? This was the first public comprimise and the dems in Congress are pissed?

*sigh*

So much for bipartisanly fucking us all over at the same time.

This is going to end badly for all of us.

Wow! Obama has no spine, but it appears that some of the other Dems do. Awesome! Let the GOP keep demanding extending Bush's unfunded tax cuts for the rich and see how far that gets them in 2012, when their tactics end up raising taxes for everyone. Good show!

Yeah!! As long as it makes the R's look bad who cares!!! Fuck the economy!!!!

The Republicans had a chance to give 98% of Americans a tax cut extension. They said no, period.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How, exactly, do the Dems expect the working/middle class to afford their tax hike?

The Democrats passed the middle class tax cut extension; the Republicans killed it.

 

[Jeremy]

Yes, which is actually why the economy is currently burgeoning after 10 years of the Bush tax cuts! And why it did so poorly under Clinton, who had the same tax rates we're flirting with returning to! Wait....

The tax cuts were originally enacted in 2001 and 2003 - let's see what happened from then until the housing bubble burst shall we.....?

Suitably Flip: It's Official: Bush Economy Achieves Longest Period Of Job Creation On Record

At 49 months..., the Bush streak now stands alone as the longest unbroken period of job creation since we started tracking it in 1939.

Oops.

Are you posting that for the benefit of all the wingnuts around here who insist that the government doesn't create jobs? lol

The gubmit DOESN'T create jobs. What the fuck is wrong with you people? No fucking where in that post was that claimed. The only thing the gubmit can do is enact policy that makes it more favorable for the private sector to create jobs.

Christ on a fucking cracker.

 

[Jeremy]

Wow! Obama has no spine, but it appears that some of the other Dems do. Awesome! Let the GOP keep demanding extending Bush's unfunded tax cuts for the rich and see how far that gets them in 2012, when their tactics end up raising taxes for everyone. Good show!

Yeah!! As long as it makes the R's look bad who cares!!! Fuck the economy!!!!

The Republicans had a chance to give 98% of Americans a tax cut extension. They said no, period.

The dems had a chance to extend unemployment benefits. They said "FUCK YOU"!!

 

[bucs90]

Wow! Obama has no spine, but it appears that some of the other Dems do. Awesome! Let the GOP keep demanding extending Bush's unfunded tax cuts for the rich and see how far that gets them in 2012, when their tactics end up raising taxes for everyone. Good show!

Yeah!! As long as it makes the R's look bad who cares!!! Fuck the economy!!!!

The Republicans had a chance to give 98% of Americans a tax cut extension. They said no, period.

Um, no, they ended up agreeing and compromised a bill WITH Obama. It was a done deal. 100% of Americans would get more in their pockets in 2011 than they do now. Either through extended FREE unemployment money, a 2% payroll cut, or expanded tax cuts for the rest.

The Dems are blocking it.


The Dems are fanatical about not allowing discrimination or bias against any person for his sex, race, religion, gender, nationality or sexual orientation.

But wealth status? Oh yeah, discriminate the f**king hell outta that!!!! Rich people aren't people after all!!!!

 

[Jeremy]

Yeah!! As long as it makes the R's look bad who cares!!! Fuck the economy!!!!

The Republicans had a chance to give 98% of Americans a tax cut extension. They said no, period.

Um, no, they ended up agreeing and compromised a bill WITH Obama. It was a done deal. 100% of Americans would get more in their pockets in 2011 than they do now. Either through extended FREE unemployment money, a 2% payroll cut, or expanded tax cuts for the rest.

The Dems are blocking it.


The Dems are fanatical about not allowing discrimination or bias against any person for his sex, race, religion, gender, nationality or sexual orientation.

But wealth status? Oh yeah, discriminate the f**king hell outta that!!!! Rich people aren't people after all!!!!

 

[MaggieMae]

Both parties are so polarized they just can't bring themselves to compromise......on anything. I'm guessing this is the way it will be until America can find a true uniter. Obama hasn't been for 2 years, and is now considered damaged goods when he tried. go figure.....

There is no one who could do the job, even if he/she were a perfect candidate that could unite the people. There has been way too much bitterness, as exemplified just by this message board, and too many angry masses of humanity wouldn't even care if such a person made honest attempts at conciliation. The sick part of that is that I don't believe a lot of people even know what it is they're pissed off about. They just go with the flow, the mob mentality. It's a sad, sad commentary of our time. Nope, I really think the only thing that might (might) reunite us as Americans again would be another major attack by foreign forces on our country. Until then, there are too many people who would flat out be disappointed if another all-out weaponized civil war doesn't happen.

 

[rightwinger]

How, exactly, do the Dems expect the working/middle class to afford their tax hike?

The Democrats passed the middle class tax cut extension; the Republicans killed it.

The Dems offered tax cuts to everyone making less than $1 million a year

Republicans killed it

 

[MaggieMae]

According the the story its a non-binding vote.

Here's hoping smarter heads prevail.

I don't like whats being added to the deficit with the Rep/Obama bill.

I would like it even less if business owners making $250,00 or more were taxed. Thats a no win. Who the hell is going to hire or expand if they have to pay higher taxes?? I sure wouldn't.

No one knows how that clusterfuck of a HC bill is going to affect business either. Too bad that peice of shit doesn't blow away.

If business didn't have to worry about their taxes going up or the cost of Obamacare I think you would see the economy take off like a freight train.

Hiring isn't taxable.

In fact it's DEDUCTIBLE at present, as a cost of business.

 

[MaggieMae]

Yeah!! As long as it makes the R's look bad who cares!!! Fuck the economy!!!!

Yes, which is actually why the economy is currently burgeoning after 10 years of the Bush tax cuts! And why it did so poorly under Clinton, who had the same tax rates we're flirting with returning to! Wait....

The tax cuts were originally enacted in 2001 and 2003 - let's see what happened from then until the housing bubble burst shall we.....?

Suitably Flip: It's Official: Bush Economy Achieves Longest Period Of Job Creation On Record

At 49 months..., the Bush streak now stands alone as the longest unbroken period of job creation since we started tracking it in 1939.

Oops.

"Job creation" is an extremely broad category. Many of those "jobs" were twofers: One person gets laid off and replaced by TWO PEOPLE on a part-time basis. A win-win for the company pulling that shit: They get the job done at the same total paid wage, but don't have to pay benefits or overtime. Plus it pushes up Bush's "job creation" numbers.

 

[MaggieMae]

It's also blatant the dems hate people that earn a very good living.

what do we call this unfounded hate based of ignorance?

racism is taken

richism, classism, dumbassism?

oh, I know

demism, the hatred of everything that's not dem. sweet.

Well you dems have dummy all wrapped up with a bow. So that leaves 6.

There was a dwarf named "dummy"??

 

[bucs90]

Wrong again rightwinger.

Rep's compromised with Obama.


Republicans and Obama had a deal.

It's the Dem's who refused to play along with bipartisanship.

Their kamakaze hatred of the rich was too passionate to ignore.

 

[Cuyo]

Well you dems have dummy all wrapped up with a bow. So that leaves 6.

There was a dwarf named "dummy"??

Suh-wing and a miss...

 

[MaggieMae]

While Jealousy is very accurate, we need something that ends in ism or ist. Other wise it's not an unrational hatred of something.

Every time we disagree with big 0 it's racism or your a racist. So in the name of 'fairness' we should apply the same rules

The only time racism or racist was mentioned in this thread was by you. I guess that would make you a Fauxist who practices Limbechism.

What's wrong with leprechaunism?

Because it's not Limbechism (translation: Limbaugh/Bech Idolism). The poor little Irish dude can never be used by any organized institution but Notre Dame.

 

[Jeremy]

Yes, which is actually why the economy is currently burgeoning after 10 years of the Bush tax cuts! And why it did so poorly under Clinton, who had the same tax rates we're flirting with returning to! Wait....

The tax cuts were originally enacted in 2001 and 2003 - let's see what happened from then until the housing bubble burst shall we.....?

Suitably Flip: It's Official: Bush Economy Achieves Longest Period Of Job Creation On Record

At 49 months..., the Bush streak now stands alone as the longest unbroken period of job creation since we started tracking it in 1939.

Oops.

"Job creation" is an extremely broad category. Many of those "jobs" were twofers: One person gets laid off and replaced by TWO PEOPLE on a part-time basis. A win-win for the company pulling that shit: They get the job done at the same total paid wage, but don't have to pay benefits or overtime. Plus it pushes up Bush's "job creation" numbers.

So the majority of employers across the country conspired to artificially inflate those numbers over the course of 4 years for political purposes?

Do you have a link?

 

[MaggieMae]

The tax cuts were originally enacted in 2001 and 2003 - let's see what happened from then until the housing bubble burst shall we.....?

Suitably Flip: It's Official: Bush Economy Achieves Longest Period Of Job Creation On Record




Oops.

So again, you acknowledge that the economy has a lot more contributing factors than just "What's the tax rate" and "Which party is in power." But for conservatives, that sentiment only seems to hold true when the economy tanks under conservatives. When it does poorly under Democrats, it's always the democrat's fault?

Why did the housing bubble bring the economy to it's knees? The low tax rates which have been in force all along should have kept things afloat... No?

Oh for fuck's sake. It's almost not even worth trying....

Tell me this. How would the economy have done under Bush, after the Tech bubble bursting and the worst terrorist attacks in history, had the tax rates NOT been touched? Do you honestly belive that they had nothing to do with the longest period of sustained job creation in recorded American history? And this has nothing to do with party affiliation by the way. Still don't know where you pulled that out of.

The first tax cut in 2001 was reasonable (sort of); but they were cut again in 2003, and even Republicans like John McCain voted against the second cut because it did not prove deficit neutral. Many THINKING Americans actually thought we should have a war tax if we were going to conduct two ground wars and expend all of our military logistical equipment which would have to be replaced. Bush decided to cut taxes again instead.

 

[MaggieMae]

How, exactly, do the Dems expect the working/middle class to afford their tax hike?

The Democrats passed the middle class tax cut extension; the Republicans killed it.

They actually upped the ante to a million and over, but the Republicans still said no. That all happened last Saturday. Was any conservative who now likes to think s/he knows it all even paying attention?

 

[MaggieMae]

The tax cuts were originally enacted in 2001 and 2003 - let's see what happened from then until the housing bubble burst shall we.....?

Suitably Flip: It's Official: Bush Economy Achieves Longest Period Of Job Creation On Record




Oops.

Are you posting that for the benefit of all the wingnuts around here who insist that the government doesn't create jobs? lol

The gubmit DOESN'T create jobs. What the fuck is wrong with you people? No fucking where in that post was that claimed. The only thing the gubmit can do is enact policy that makes it more favorable for the private sector to create jobs.

Christ on a fucking cracker.

The government can't create jobs? Hmmm, tell it to the guys who still work for Blackwater (or whatever they call themselves now). They were hired to work under a gubmit contract, but are now working in other areas of security IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. A job is a job is a job. Get it? Other examples are too obvious and too numerous to post.