"Horses and Bayonets"

[mudwhistle]

My Grandfather used to build ships.

How long do you think it takes to build an aircraft-carrier? A couple of months? It takes over a year for one to go into dry-dock and undergo a refitting. It takes years to build them. Do you suppose we just wait till we see a threat before we decide to build one to counter it? That kind of thinking got us into WWII.

Obama is neglecting our military so he can use the money to buy votes. It's what every Democrat president does. Carter and Clinton did the same shit. It never changes. Democrats tear down the military and a Republican rebuilds it and the Democraps criticize them for raising the debt.

Okay, guy, here's the thing. We have 11 Active Aircraft carriers with 2 more under construction.

The rest of the world?

China has one old Soviet one that was never a particularly good design. India has a refurbrished British one. Russia has one. The UK has one that can't launched Fixed Wing Aircraft. France has one. Other wealthy countries aren't even bothering, like Germany and Japan. Why should they? They can invest in improving themselves knowing we'll handle their security for free! What a deal. For them, not us.

Seriously, dude, this isn't like Admiral Yamamoto has his huge carrier task force. This is us bankrupting ourselves buying expensive toys while our kids aren't getting the education needed to actually operate them. Meanwhile our roads and bridges are crumbling and our good jobs are going to China.

The Germans and Japanese can't build them. They agreed not to when they signed the articles of surrender.

Why in the fuck is the US considered the only super power left in the world dip-shit? Because of our Navy.

BTW, every carrier has an expiration date. They need refitting every 5 years or they become foalting rust-buckets. They only have a life expectancy of 20-30 years. The Nimitiz is already getting too old to bother refitting.

When it comes to support ships those are getting old too. And what the fuck does this have to do with education. We're not paying for kids to fight wars. We're paying them to learn how to turn their backs on their own country and side with our enemies. How can we count on them to defend it?

 

[JoeB131]

[

The Germans and Japanese can't build them. They agreed not to when they signed the articles of surrender.

Okay. That's stupid reason. They've been thriving, prosperous democracies for nearly 70 years now. I think we can forgive them.

[
Why in the fuck is the US considered the only super power left in the world dip-shit? Because of our Navy.

And I don't want to end up like the other Super-Power, the USSR, bankrupting ourselves to show everyone how tough we are.

What should make us a superpower is our economic might. But under Republicans, we've lost manufacturing, we've spent ourselves 15 Trillion into a hole.

BTW, every carrier has an expiration date. They need refitting every 5 years or they become foalting rust-buckets. They only have a life expectancy of 20-30 years. The Nimitiz is already getting too old to bother refitting.

Then retire it and don't replace it. We don't need 11 of them. Maybe retire 3 and build one new one.

When it comes to support ships those are getting old too. And what the fuck does this have to do with education. We're not paying for kids to fight wars. We're paying them to learn how to turn their backs on their own country and side with our enemies. How can we count on them to defend it?

Maybe by actually having a country that works for them and not the 1%. Just saying.

Frankly, I don't know why any poor person would join the military other than the economic motive.

 

[daveman]

No, actually, it's for all of us to decide.

The Navy doesn't need more ships if we aren't facing a major naval threat. Russia's navy is dilapidated and China's navy is a joke. (And if you guys are reall worried about China, Romney should stop giving them our jobs!)

We do need to fix the schools and the roads.

But let's see what this guy had to say about such matters...

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."-
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Read more at Every gun that is made, every... at BrainyQuote

Man, what a fuckin' Commie, eh, Caveman?

You'll have your chance to vote to weaken America in a few days.

And that's exactly what you'll do.

Why do leftists loathe the idea of a strong America?

Depends how you define a strong America.

My idea of a strong America is one where we take care of our own, not go around spending money on overpriced military toys to defend the rest of the world so they can make a killing stealing our jobs or getting our boys to die to settle their fights.

Ike was the first to warn us about the Military-Industrial Complex... and the message still hasn't sunk in.

Your idea of a strong America is actually a weak America.

Just as I said.

 

[daveman]

My Grandfather used to build ships.

How long do you think it takes to build an aircraft-carrier? A couple of months? It takes over a year for one to go into dry-dock and undergo a refitting. It takes years to build them. Do you suppose we just wait till we see a threat before we decide to build one to counter it? That kind of thinking got us into WWII.

Obama is neglecting our military so he can use the money to buy votes. It's what every Democrat president does. Carter and Clinton did the same shit. It never changes. Democrats tear down the military and a Republican rebuilds it and the Democraps criticize them for raising the debt.

Okay, guy, here's the thing. We have 11 Active Aircraft carriers with 2 more under construction.

The rest of the world?

China has one old Soviet one that was never a particularly good design. India has a refurbrished British one. Russia has one. The UK has one that can't launched Fixed Wing Aircraft. France has one. Other wealthy countries aren't even bothering, like Germany and Japan. Why should they? They can invest in improving themselves knowing we'll handle their security for free! What a deal. For them, not us.

Seriously, dude, this isn't like Admiral Yamamoto has his huge carrier task force. This is us bankrupting ourselves buying expensive toys while our kids aren't getting the education needed to actually operate them. Meanwhile our roads and bridges are crumbling and our good jobs are going to China.

The Germans and Japanese can't build them. They agreed not to when they signed the articles of surrender.

Why in the fuck is the US considered the only super power left in the world dip-shit? Because of our Navy.

BTW, every carrier has an expiration date. They need refitting every 5 years or they become foalting rust-buckets. They only have a life expectancy of 20-30 years. The Nimitiz is already getting too old to bother refitting.

When it comes to support ships those are getting old too. And what the fuck does this have to do with education. We're not paying for kids to fight wars. We're paying them to learn how to turn their backs on their own country and side with our enemies. How can we count on them to defend it?

Joe loathes the idea of America being a superpower. He, like all leftists, thinks we should be taken down a notch or two or nine.

After all, that would be "fair".

 

[daveman]

Frankly, I don't know why any poor person would join the military other than the economic motive.

Because not everyone hates America.

I know you have trouble understanding that concept.

 

[mudwhistle]

Okay, guy, here's the thing. We have 11 Active Aircraft carriers with 2 more under construction.

The rest of the world?

China has one old Soviet one that was never a particularly good design. India has a refurbrished British one. Russia has one. The UK has one that can't launched Fixed Wing Aircraft. France has one. Other wealthy countries aren't even bothering, like Germany and Japan. Why should they? They can invest in improving themselves knowing we'll handle their security for free! What a deal. For them, not us.

Seriously, dude, this isn't like Admiral Yamamoto has his huge carrier task force. This is us bankrupting ourselves buying expensive toys while our kids aren't getting the education needed to actually operate them. Meanwhile our roads and bridges are crumbling and our good jobs are going to China.

The Germans and Japanese can't build them. They agreed not to when they signed the articles of surrender.

Why in the fuck is the US considered the only super power left in the world dip-shit? Because of our Navy.

BTW, every carrier has an expiration date. They need refitting every 5 years or they become foalting rust-buckets. They only have a life expectancy of 20-30 years. The Nimitiz is already getting too old to bother refitting.

When it comes to support ships those are getting old too. And what the fuck does this have to do with education. We're not paying for kids to fight wars. We're paying them to learn how to turn their backs on their own country and side with our enemies. How can we count on them to defend it?

Joe loathes the idea of America being a superpower. He, like all leftists, thinks we should be taken down a notch or two or nine.

After all, that would be "fair".

They believe that if America is weak we're less threatening, and they think this will keep other countries from attacking our interests or our nation.

Democrats use this as an excuse to steal from national defense so they can buy votes in the black community, Hispanic community, or any group that has a hand out. They tear down our military and put us in a terrible position then scream like Banshies when the GOP starts rebuilding what they tore down.

 

[daveman]

The Germans and Japanese can't build them. They agreed not to when they signed the articles of surrender.

Why in the fuck is the US considered the only super power left in the world dip-shit? Because of our Navy.

BTW, every carrier has an expiration date. They need refitting every 5 years or they become foalting rust-buckets. They only have a life expectancy of 20-30 years. The Nimitiz is already getting too old to bother refitting.

When it comes to support ships those are getting old too. And what the fuck does this have to do with education. We're not paying for kids to fight wars. We're paying them to learn how to turn their backs on their own country and side with our enemies. How can we count on them to defend it?

Joe loathes the idea of America being a superpower. He, like all leftists, thinks we should be taken down a notch or two or nine.

After all, that would be "fair".

They believe that if America is weak we're less threatening, and they think this will keep other countries from attacking our interests or our nation.

Democrats use this as an excuse to steal from national defense so they can buy votes in the black community, Hispanic community, or any group that has a hand out. They tear down our military and put us in a terrible position then scream like Banshies when the GOP starts rebuilding what they tore down.

It must be a terrible thing to have such a simplistic world-view. Really -- believing other nations will magically start liking us if we present our soft underbelly.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

 

[mudwhistle]

Joe loathes the idea of America being a superpower. He, like all leftists, thinks we should be taken down a notch or two or nine.

After all, that would be "fair".

They believe that if America is weak we're less threatening, and they think this will keep other countries from attacking our interests or our nation.

Democrats use this as an excuse to steal from national defense so they can buy votes in the black community, Hispanic community, or any group that has a hand out. They tear down our military and put us in a terrible position then scream like Banshies when the GOP starts rebuilding what they tore down.

It must be a terrible thing to have such a simplistic world-view. Really -- believing other nations will magically start liking us if we present our soft underbelly.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

Why do you think they always patronize young people, the illiterate, and people that can be easily manipulated?

 

[JoeB131]

Joe loathes the idea of America being a superpower. He, like all leftists, thinks we should be taken down a notch or two or nine.

After all, that would be "fair".

Yawn, guy, we are like the guy who buys the big house and the big porsche and he's swimming in debt he can't pay off because he's trying to impress people.

That guy isn't rich any more than we are a super power.

We have nukes. No one is going to fuck with our territory. Why we are spending a trillion a year to play "Hall Monitor" in the middle east is truly bizarre.

Not that you'd be doing that. That's what we got Poor People for.

 

[JoeB131]

[

They believe that if America is weak we're less threatening, and they think this will keep other countries from attacking our interests or our nation.

Democrats use this as an excuse to steal from national defense so they can buy votes in the black community, Hispanic community, or any group that has a hand out. They tear down our military and put us in a terrible position then scream like Banshies when the GOP starts rebuilding what they tore down.

No, I just don't think we've fought a war over OUR interests since WWII. Maybe Korea if I'm in a generous mood.

Vietnam wasn't in our interest.
Kuwait wasn't in our interest.
Iraq wasn't in our interest.
While killing Bin Laden was in our interest, getting in the middle of Afghanistan's 30 year civil war wasn't.
Propping up Israel isn't in our interest.


What is in our interest.

Actually paying down our debt.
Repairing our infrastructure.
Rebuilding our industry and manufacturing.

That's what makes us a great power.

 

[JoeB131]

Frankly, I don't know why any poor person would join the military other than the economic motive.

Because not everyone hates America.

I know you have trouble understanding that concept.

If everyone loves America, why don't you see more rich people signing up, and why do you have to offer these poor kids bribes to sign up?

See my point, guy?

The ironic thing is, even that's based on a lie. I remember when I was in, we had all these inner city kids who signed up so the could go to college.

But because our public education is so poorly underfunded, a lot of them couldn't do math, couldn't do science, couldn't even structure a simple sentence.

Eventually, someone's gonna figure it out.