Honest men and women can have honest differences of opinion...

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    Actually, you can.
     
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    The Flame Zone is the only place on this forum where people of differing political views actually get along, and joke around with each other. Of course you have the occasional nasty feud, but most of us are friends down there. :thup:
     
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    Yeah, sure, but all that is saying is that one will accept the failures associated with accepting a lower standard. In other words, they are acceptable losses.
     
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    Not according to my beliefs.
     
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    Deviance: the fact or state of departing from usual or accepted standards
     
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    Your beliefs can bleed just like anyone else's.
     
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    Everyone has got to die sooner or later. What's the big deal?
     
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    Whistling past the graveyard fools no one, kid.
     
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    I'm not trying to fool anyone. I truly believe that only I can harm myself. I am more than the sum of my parts. Nothing you can do to me will diminish me whatsoever. What part of that do you not understand?
     
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    Dear ding Not sure if honesty is the word to describe the people who can respect each other's beliefs and differences.
    I find it is a factor of fear and unforgiveness being projected, where people with "scarcity mentality" resort to bullying by exclusion or coercion to defend themselves,
    vs. faith that truth is the controlling force and exercise forgiveness and inclusion when dealing with people and different groups/beliefs

    When people have faith that truth and justice prevail without needing to resort to force, bullying, abuse coercion oppression etc.
    sure
    that opens the door to people "feeling safe" to express themselves freely openly and honestly.

    The link betwe en the two
    is if people aren't fully aware of the fears and unforgiven issues behind their biases
    then they project emotionally and don't include all others equally.

    It's the fear and forgiveness factor that makes all the difference in the world.

    If people are in denial, it's usually because they are afraid of someone or something
    and not ready to face changing or confronting that issue.

    You can be as honest as you can about this,
    and if you are still not ready to forgive and receive change,
    then it blocks and limits the interaction with others.

    As long as you are forgiving and willing to work with others,
    then even if you fall short in some areas, and aren't perfectly transparent open and honest,
    you can still work with others, to the same extent they are willing to work with you,
    as long as you both allow each other the same
    room for error and benefit of the doubt.

    Overall I would agree that intellectual honesty
    and awareness/understanding
    goes hand in hand with being able to forgive and include other people regardless of
    differences and conflicting beliefs.

    But I find it's the forgiveness factor vs the fear factor
    that determines if people can interact inclusively and safely with each other.
    Once the scarcity mentality, the competitive/combative defensiveness kicks in,
    it's very hard to work through that and try to get to a safe place of mutual agreement and respect.
    But that's part of the process also.

    We all have to learn to navigate and manage this process
    in order to rebuild working relationships, restore communities
    and society, and create more effective sustainable solutions by collaborating
    to capitalize on the best ideas, talents, models, and leaders from diverse backgrounds and sectors.

    Whatever is standing in the way of that,
    we need to work through anyway.
    There are no shortcuts.
    Nobody can do the work and fix our problems for us.
    It will take all of us working together, delegating
    different areas to different people and groups,
    to solve all the world's problems with the given resources we have to work with.

    Thanks for being here and sharing
    and I hope you will see that your
    participation and influence makes a difference.

    Everyone here is a necessary piece of the puzzle
    or else we wouldn't be here! Enjoy!
     
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