Honest discussion: Questions for the left

Discussion in 'Politics' started by G.T., Sep 9, 2011.

  1. G.T.
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    Maybe tomorrow I'll do the right.

    I'm asking from an honest place and am asking ahead of time, don't bother responding to be smug, etc. and especially if this question isn't even addressed at you, to begin with.


    So, I have a few questions:

    I'll just fire them off.

    1.) At what point, in your belief, would you cut off State aid to a poor family showing no reasonable signs of effort towards improvement? Or, conversely, do you feel there is no point it should be cut?

    2.) As it pertains to question number one, do you feel that the overabundance of safety nets, such us an ever-extending unemployment benefit, effects ambition AT ALL? If not, how can that be?? If so, at what point do you look for an alternative route to just saying "here you go."

    3.) Do you feel that social safety nets AT ALL are playing a part in how poorly our inner city families are turning out? If no, explain how that can be. If yes, then what's the big idea?

    I'm just wondering, if you take it to the very end (the ideaology), where do you see that getting us? Let me know what standards you have for having social safety nets, and let me know how you feel it's ok (if you do agree) that they DO contribute to a "gimme gimme" class, at least in some part, and how you'd personally feel it's ok to mitigate that.

    Just some questions - - what's the ideal balance, in your eyes, basically? I don't see things working out so well imho.
     
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    there is no ever ending UE benefits.
     
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    The state has an obligation to care for the children when the parents will not. Its generally far more expensive - both in direct terms of the funding required for foster care, and in the societal terms of ripping families apart.

    You're asking why people would want to make more money?
    No. Can't explain a negative.
    Can you be more vague please?
     
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    They are pretty unreasonably long, and they do keep getting extensions. This is about welfare, food stamps, etc. also....though. All that
     
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    I wasn't coming from a smug place, tbh.

    I'll have to disagree based on personal experience in some of your assessments. Like #3, is a no? I think that, being honest, there's definitely a disincentive to do better for yourself if there's always someone guaranteed to gunna catch you.


    As to the last question, it's not vague it's specific: what's your ideal Countrylook like in regard to social safety nets?
     
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    GT, I think the lefties are mistaking you for a Republican. LMAO.

    Good questions. I look forward to you asking similarly hard ones from the right.
     
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    More, that I just thought of:

    Is it okay to have a welfare debit card? Why/why not?> Well, I know why not, because I don't think so. So...I guess....why?

    Is it ok for me, who can totally afford her, to have such a HUGE tax break coming yearly now, because my daughter's about to be born? Where do we draw the line on that? Don't get me wrong, I can def. use the extra money. I just don't NEED it, necessarily.
     
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    Great questions.

    I myself have always wondered how people don't see this situation turning out bad.

    "Well I can do nothing and make x dollars, or I can work and make less than x dollars, the same as x dollars or barely more but not a significant number."

    I have a decent job so this doesn't pertain to me, but I can't get on a moral highground and guarantee I wouldn't do nothing and cash gov't checks in the situation I presented. If I were raised poor with parents on the government dollar, and they raised me thinking that was ok, most likely I'd be the same way they were in such a hypothetical.
     
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    The states get to set the time line for UE benefits, 20 weeks is the norm.
    Food stamps, are not a lifetime benefit either, there are limitations to all welfare. On SNAp, foodstamps, has a requirement that you look for work and report theses searches to the unemployment office, or you will be sanctioned.
     
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    Good points.

    I also think they make it far too easy to abuse. For instance? Seasonal workers collecting u/e in the off months? Ridiculous.

    Or, a guy who's laid off collecting unemployment but also making side cash under the table for random odd-jobs. That doesn't happen to be a small piece of scammage there, either. I hear of it occuring pretty commonly, actually. It's sort of like a part of every day life, and nobody "really" calls people on it because it's like "Yea, I'm kind of fucking the government," and the typical reaction is "Good!, THEY tax me to DEATH!"
     

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