Homosexuality - Sickness or Sanctioned?

[listopencil]

You see... I've been acused of being a "lose canon", and "hot tempered" on this board. But I'm going to PM several mods and let them take a look at what just happened here.

I replied to you in a calm and respectful manner. You replied with sass and bullshit calling me a "blowhard", and "self centered". You don't want a bebate, you just want to SHOUT DOWN the conservative that thinks queers are sick in the head, and that homosexuality is a destructive choice.

Feel free to PM every mod on the board. I think you need to remove the beam in your own eye before you complain about the mote in mine. "Sass"? Re-read your posts directed towards me since I've joined. All of them have been nothing but condescending. As for debating, I'm not willing to accept your opinion and go look for sources to back you up. That's your job and you haven't done it yet.

 

[dilloduck]

Its really quite simple.
Homosexuals used to be persecuted.
In time our society evolved to recognize that persecution was wrong.
We arrived at the point where we accepted their behavior and would leave them alone from harrasment.
They are now attempting to abuse the freedoms they have achieved and want their radical agenda shoved down everyones throats. They no longer merely want to be accepted, but they want homosexuality to be recognized as "on par" with heterosexuality.

Fact. Homosexual lifestyle is much more destructive than a heterosexual one.
Fact. If govt endorses anything, it becomes more prevelant.
Fact. A majority of homosexuals had their first encounters by an ADULT who seduced them as minors.

Fact. Is there anyone ANYONE here who can honestly raise their hand and claim, if they had a young man as their son, they couldnt care less if he came home with a man or a woman as his "wife"?

Fact. If the male sexual organ does not respond to a naked female body (halle barry for example) then "something" IS WRONG.

Again the delicate balance of personal freedoms---does promoting ones personal agenda actually demote the other?

 

[listopencil]

why not let them have that choice. I have heard many guys on the radio profess they have changed and they are extremely happy for it. We dont advocate FORCING it on anyone, just having it available. But the RADICAL homosexual agenda is trying to eliminate it altogether, calling it lies and deceit. They dont even recognize those guys as heterosexuals. They say their transformation isnt real, they are just lying to themselves. Tallk about bigots. Its firmly rooted in the democratic party.

I think we agree for the most part. I believe it is always the person's choice to pursue their own sexual orientation and I wouldn't begin to point fingers because I can't understand a homosexual person's drives. This is what I have a problem with:

"It must be treated by psychiatrists and psychologists. "All of Israel," say the sages, "are responsible for one another," and just as the community reserves the right and obligation to prevent a person from harming others, so society has the obligation to help a person not to harm himself physically or spiritually.

This is taking the Good Samaritan rule regarding finding an injured/sick person and trying to apply it to changing a person's sexual orientation. What steps would be taken, and by who exactly? If I found someone laying in a gutter with a life-threatening injury and rushed them off to a hospital or called an ambulance to take them I would be fairly certain that I was doing the right thing morally and legally. I don't like the idea that this implies when comparing the two situations.

 

[listopencil]

this is where ya go amiss...the 'normal' population has no problem with 'immature' sexual deviates doing whatever to whom (whatever) as long as it is consenting adults doing this in the privacy of their own 'bedroom' what the 'general' normal population have a problem with is this being done in public...as in 'Disneyland' and pushing "Gay"(perverted) marriage down our collective throats...Homosexuality is nothing more than immature sexual relations...ie:'ultimate masturbation' not worthy of marriage vows...end of story....has been tried many times in history with negative results...ie:the Roman and Greek empires...geez....get a grip...
***sneaks out***

Do you mean that you find two guys going at it in public is offensive? So do I. Some people find displays of heterosexual affection in public offensive as well. Sometimes I do as well. I'm not questioning the offensiveness of homosexual behavoir. I'm questioning society's rights when it comes to interfering with homosexual practices, especially when religious beliefs (many of which I find illogical) or a perceived higher moral purpose is used to justify the interference.

 

[Bonnie]

Debated? Possibly but recently the attacks and counter-attacks are giving homosexuals the prized status of "oppressed" in the eyes of many. Their baiting has been successful in making the bleeding hearts (who really don't give a damn) take up their cause for them. Sometimes ignoring behavior makes it disappear quicker than anything.

Exactly Dillo!!

 

[liberalogic]

"Fact. Homosexual lifestyle is much more destructive than a heterosexual one.
Fact. If govt endorses anything, it becomes more prevelant.
Fact. A majority of homosexuals had their first encounters by an ADULT who seduced them as minors.

Fact. Is there anyone ANYONE here who can honestly raise their hand and claim, if they had a young man as their son, they couldnt care less if he came home with a man or a woman as his "wife"?

Fact. If the male sexual organ does not respond to a naked female body (halle barry for example) then "something" IS WRONG."

Some people call these facts. Some call them propaganda. I call it bullsh*t.

How is homosexual lifestyle more destructive than heterosexual lifestyle? I don't even know how to respond to this "fact". As for your second "fact"- ever heard of prohibition? That went over REALLY well...

Next- as for homosexuals had their first encounters by an adults who seduced them as minors- how many of those adults were priests?

Yes- I can honestly claim that I wouldn't give a sh*t if my child came home with someone of the same sex as their partner. Some people genuinely want the people they love to be happy. I guess that's just some crazy fairy-tale principle that I cling to.

And something is not wrong if a guy doesn't get a hard-on from Halle Berry, something is different.

America was founded on the rights of the individual.

 

[Said1]

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Next- as for homosexuals had their first encounters by an adults who seduced them as minors- how many of those adults were priests?

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Wow. Great rant. I often wonder how many homosexual men are Catholics, on a global scale.

 

[Nienna]

This seems to be the way to go. It's part of my "live and let live" philosophy of life in general. If they aren't hurting anyone or doing something to someone against their will, ignore them. Let them do whatever they want to do to each other-it's not really anyone else's business anyway. I just have a problem with someone advocating a sort of re-education to convert them to heterosexuality. Smells like fascism to me.

Some homosexuals feel extremely uncomfortable with their "desires." They should be allowed to at least receive the knowledge that treatment is available, if not encouragement on their path.

 

[Nienna]

Again the delicate balance of personal freedoms---does promoting ones personal agenda actually demote the other?

Not always. But sometimes, yes.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

"Fact. Homosexual lifestyle is much more destructive than a heterosexual one.
Fact. If govt endorses anything, it becomes more prevelant.
Fact. A majority of homosexuals had their first encounters by an ADULT who seduced them as minors.

Fact. Is there anyone ANYONE here who can honestly raise their hand and claim, if they had a young man as their son, they couldnt care less if he came home with a man or a woman as his "wife"?

Fact. If the male sexual organ does not respond to a naked female body (halle barry for example) then "something" IS WRONG."

Some people call these facts. Some call them propaganda. I call it bullsh*t.

How is homosexual lifestyle more destructive than heterosexual lifestyle? I don't even know how to respond to this "fact". As for your second "fact"- ever heard of prohibition? That went over REALLY well....

As for health and death rates, its verifiable that homosexual living causes much more health problems and shorter life spans.

We are not talking about making something illegal, we are talking about GOVT ENDORSEMENT.

"Next- as for homosexuals had their first encounters by an adults who seduced them as minors- how many of those adults were priests?.

Irrelevant if the pedophile is wearing a Priests outfit or not, he is still a homosexual pedophile.

"Yes- I can honestly claim that I wouldn't give a sh*t if my child came home with someone of the same sex as their partner. Some people genuinely want the people they love to be happy. I guess that's just some crazy fairy-tale principle that I cling to..

You are quite weird then.

"And something is not wrong if a guy doesn't get a hard-on from Halle Berry, something is different..

If a person bought a car, with a bad engine, and wanted to use it to sit in, in his driveway and listen to music, he would never intend for it to be driven. Now he would be having a "different" purpose for the car, but the car is still broken, there is still something wrong with it. The male penis is designed for procreation. It is designed to be stimulated by the human female. IF this isnt occuring, something IS WRONG. You can say whatever you like, but thats just plain obvious.

"America was founded on the rights of the individual.

Nope. The Bill of rights wasnt written and signed into law well over a decade after the country was founded. America's first and foremost core is govt by the people.

 

[liberalogic]

As for health and death rates, its verifiable that homosexual living causes much more health problems and shorter life spans.

Do you have any actual statistics or articles to support these claims? I'd love to see it and get some context.

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Originally Posted by liberalogic
"Yes- I can honestly claim that I wouldn't give a sh*t if my child came home with someone of the same sex as their partner. Some people genuinely want the people they love to be happy. I guess that's just some crazy fairy-tale principle that I cling to..


You are quite weird then.

No I'm not. Prejudice should not be the norm. To be honest, your blatant ignorance based on bogus claims strikes me as "weirder" than anything in this thread.

I agree that, priest or not, a pedophile is a pedophile and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent to the law. What baffles me is that the very same church from which you've drawn your conclusions has covered up these heinous crimes against children.

Quote:
Originally Posted by liberalogic
"And something is not wrong if a guy doesn't get a hard-on from Halle Berry, something is different..

Nope. The Bill of rights wasnt written and signed into law well over a decade after the country was founded. America's first and foremost core is govt by the people.

Keep in mind that the Constitution was only ratified by the states on the condition that the Bill of Rights would also be enacted. Ten years isn't that long in the world of politics.

If a person bought a car, with a bad engine, and wanted to use it to sit in, in his driveway and listen to music, he would never intend for it to be driven. Now he would be having a "different" purpose for the car, but the car is still broken, there is still something wrong with it. The male penis is designed for procreation. It is designed to be stimulated by the human female. IF this isnt occuring, something IS WRONG. You can say whatever you like, but thats just plain obvious.

Last time I checked, men also use their penises to urinate. Women's breasts are designed to feed a newborn. However, the breasts are also often used to attract potential mates. There are also mothers who use formula instead of breast milk. Should we persecute them too? What about the women who are barren and can't conceive even when they're trying to? Let's persecute them all, shall we? Furthermore, male and female genetalia can be used for masturbation which, as I'm sure you know with your extensive scientific background, is good for your health.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: "War and Peace" is a great read but if you find that the best use for it is to stick it under the leg of your kitchen table to balance it out, that's okay too.

 

[archangel]

Do you have any actual statistics or articles to support these claims? I'd love to see it and get some context.



No I'm not. Prejudice should not be the norm. To be honest, your blatant ignorance based on bogus claims strikes me as "weirder" than anything in this thread.

I agree that, priest or not, a pedophile is a pedophile and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent to the law. What baffles me is that the very same church from which you've drawn your conclusions has covered up these heinous crimes against children.

Quote:
Originally Posted by liberalogic
"And something is not wrong if a guy doesn't get a hard-on from Halle Berry, something is different..



Keep in mind that the Constitution was only ratified by the states on the condition that the Bill of Rights would also be enacted. Ten years isn't that long in the world of politics.



Last time I checked, men also use their penises to urinate. Women's breasts are designed to feed a newborn. However, the breasts are also often used to attract potential mates. There are also mothers who use formula instead of breast milk. Should we persecute them too? What about the women who are barren and can't conceive even when they're trying to? Let's persecute them all, shall we? Furthermore, male and female genetalia can be used for masturbation which, as I'm sure you know with your extensive scientific background, is good for your health.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: "War and Peace" is a great read but if you find that the best use for it is to stick it under the leg of your kitchen table to balance it out, that's okay too.

The world at large has more pressing issues than of who sleeps with who and why...personally I could care less..if ya want to play with your pee pees in the tee pee...so be it...just don't try to convince the world at large that it is a dire emergency...this is old hat see:Roman Empire...Caligula era and ancient Greece:Spartan era...tried and failed..can we now move on to pressing destructive issues rather than your personal preference on how you obtain your orgasim? :bangheads

 

[007]

Feel free to PM every mod on the board. I think you need to remove the beam in your own eye before you complain about the mote in mine. "Sass"? Re-read your posts directed towards me since I've joined. All of them have been nothing but condescending. As for debating, I'm not willing to accept your opinion and go look for sources to back you up. That's your job and you haven't done it yet.

Sorry pencil. It's YOUR job to read this board and what people have posted, not mine. I've posted many, many, many links to every claim I've made about the destructiveness of homosexuality. It is YOUR job to research THAT.

Let me know when you have read all of it. I'll be happy to pick it up from there, AFTER you've caught up.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Do you have any actual statistics or articles to support these claims? I'd love to see it and get some context..

Go look it up yourself. Its pretty well established fact. Aids and all you know, pretty well decimated the homosexual community.

No I'm not. Prejudice should not be the norm. To be honest, your blatant ignorance based on bogus claims strikes me as "weirder" than anything in this thread..

Ahhh, quite to the contrary. I use, and teach my kids prejudice all the time. But not in the sense you use the now hijacked by the left as usual, term. Prejuding in certain situations has served me well for the most part, and is gonna do the same for my kids.

If for no other reason than I would hate to think my son is participating in a highly risky sexual act, with people who have a deadly disease on a much higher rate than others, you should be concerned if you son was a homo or not. Lack of means your agenda is more important than your family. You are probably one of those who supports homos commiting adultery, ala fudgepack mountain, yet want to enforce marriage laws for same sex couples.
I posted bogus claims?? Hardly, prove it.

I agree that, priest or not, a pedophile is a pedophile and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent to the law. What baffles me is that the very same church from which you've drawn your conclusions has covered up these heinous crimes against children..

What conclusions have I drawn from what church?

Quote:
Originally Posted by liberalogic
"And something is not wrong if a guy doesn't get a hard-on from Halle Berry, something is different..



Keep in mind that the Constitution was only ratified by the states on the condition that the Bill of Rights would also be enacted. Ten years isn't that long in the world of politics..

Wrong. The articles of Confederation was intended to be the law of the land. But it wasnt working, not enough central authority, specifically for the Presidential arm. So, Washington and a few others went to Baltimore, I think, to draft a new Constitution. Since it was expanding central govt powers, which they feared as a necessary evil, they wanted GUARANTEED limitations on it.
Now, ironically, the liberals/Dems are using the document to impose central (Federal) laws and regulations upon us, in the supposed name of fairness and equality. Its not the govt's job to insure equality ACTUALLY OCCURS, only that people have a chance to suceed without private citizens commiting illegal acts, like arson, to drive minorities or others out of competition. IT IS NOT THE GOVTS JOB OR AUTHORITY to make sure people dont get OFFENDED.

Last time I checked, men also use their penises to urinate. Women's breasts are designed to feed a newborn. However, the breasts are also often used to attract potential mates. There are also mothers who use formula instead of breast milk. Should we persecute them too? What about the women who are barren and can't conceive even when they're trying to? Let's persecute them all, shall we? Furthermore, male and female genetalia can be used for masturbation which, as I'm sure you know with your extensive scientific background, is good for your health. .

Uh, and guess what. When women are barren, they acknowledge "something is wrong", thanks for proving my point!
And as I stated previously, persecution of homos for their homosexuality is not acceptable. Nice attempt at a strawman though !

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: "War and Peace" is a great read but if you find that the best use for it is to stick it under the leg of your kitchen table to balance it out, that's okay too.

I have no clue what you are saying here.

 

[007]

Part of the homosexual agenda is as follows...

1). Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments

2). Destroy Christian marriage as we know it.

3). Recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle.

4). Secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms.

5). Molest innocent children.

6). Give AIDS to as many people as you can.

7). Host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum.

8). Turn as many people away from Jesus as possible.

9). Make large donation to the ACLU and NAMBLA.

10). Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.

 

[liberalogic]

I really hope you're joking.

 

[listopencil]

Sorry pencil. It's YOUR job to read this board and what people have posted, not mine. I've posted many, many, many links to every claim I've made about the destructiveness of homosexuality. It is YOUR job to research THAT.

Let me know when you have read all of it. I'll be happy to pick it up from there, AFTER you've caught up.

No, Rider. If you want to make a point then make it. If you want to claim that there are qualified individuals who have supported your claim then name them. If you want to claim that there are articles supporting your beliefs then link them. Do your own homework, then we'll talk.

 

[no1tovote4]

No, Rider. If you want to make a point then make it. If you want to claim that there are qualified individuals who have supported your claim then name them. If you want to claim that there are articles supporting your beliefs then link them. Do your own homework, then we'll talk.

His point is that it is already on the board. They have posted many articles about the shorter lifespan etc. You come to a discussion late and then expect everybody to start over rather than catching up before jumping in.

 

[007]

His point is that it is already on the board. They have posted many articles about the shorter lifespan etc. You come to a discussion late and then expect everybody to start over rather than catching up before jumping in.

Thank you number one. This F.N.G. seems a little dense.

 

[liberalogic]

Even if the statistics are true and homosexuals do live shorter lifespans, etc., why is it anyone else's business to degrade them and deny them marriage rights? If it has nothing to do with you, then why do you guys care so much? They are not trying to convert you or infect you-- so what is the problem?