Kentucky Clerk Once Again Denies Gay Marriage License, Despite Federal Order

[Camp]

A few days in a jail cell along with some daily fines will cause this lady to ignore her fake stand on religion or resign if she believes her religion prevents her from doing the duty she swore on a bible to perform.

 

[bodecea]

A few days in a jail cell along with some daily fines will cause this lady to ignore her fake stand on religion or resign if she believes her religion prevents her from doing the duty she swore on a bible to perform.

Today's christian martyrs don't seem to be made of very stern stuff.

 

[ChrisL]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

I completely disagree with your post. The government IS secular. The government is not allowed to show preference to any particular religion. Now, if this woman is allowed to continue with her disruptive behavior, that is like the government showing preference for HER religious beliefs and practices. Nope, that is not how we do things. You are FREE to practice your religion. You cannot force others to do the same.

 

[ChrisL]

If you can't follow the federal laws, you should resign from the job.

The Federal government is your God

Nope. Most of us Americans are intelligent to see the problems that will arise if religious beliefs are allowed to corrupt our government. This the reason WHY the Pilgrims left England. Because their king did NOT allow religious freedom or freedom FROM religions. The government cannot interfere with your religious customs or practices to an EXTENT. Once your religious freedom denies another person their rights, that is where your religious freedom ends, and that just makes good sense. I mean, think about it, some day in America we could have a very large Muslim population. Keeping religious beliefs and customs out of government is just a great idea.

 

[ClosedCaption]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

 

[peach174]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

 

[ChrisL]

She should be fired and find a job she can actually do.

She is an elected official, so it makes things a little more complicated. I don't see why they couldn't impeach her though. She is refusing to do her job due to her religious convictions and that is going to fly in governmental business.

 

[ChrisL]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

Right, but some of us don't want your religious beliefs either. And you would be mistaken, Sharia Law is the LAW in Saudi Arabia. We want to keep wacky religious beliefs out of governmental affairs.

Legal system of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The legal system of Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, Islamic law derived from the Qu'ran and the Sunnah (the traditions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The sources of Sharia also include Islamic scholarly consensus developed after Muhammad's death. Its interpretation by judges in Saudi Arabia is influenced by the medieval texts of the literalist Hanbali school of Islamic jurisprudence. Uniquely in the Muslim world, Sharia has been adopted by Saudi Arabia in an uncodified form. This, and the lack of judicial precedent, has resulted in considerable uncertainty in the scope and content of the country's laws. The government therefore announced its intention to codify Sharia in 2010, but this is yet to be implemented. Sharia has also been supplemented by regulations issued by royal decree covering modern issues such asintellectual property and corporate law. Nevertheless, Sharia remains the primary source of law, especially in areas such as criminal, family, commercial and contract law, and the Qu'ran and the Sunnah are declared to be the country's constitution. In the areas of land and energy law the extensive proprietorial rights of the Saudi state (in effect, the Saudi royal family) constitute a significant feature.

 

[JakeStarkey]

This woman is hideous and fat, they should sue her ass and ruin her.

What happened to the love? Understanding? Acceptance?

Is this the result of homosexuality?

The clerk is not homosexual, but you are right that she has trouble with love? Understanding? Acceptance?

 

[bodecea]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

THat is YOUR interpretation of Sharia law...what if we get a Muslim clerk who interprets it differently? After all...we get Christians who interpret the bible differently from each other....

 

[peach174]

If you can't follow the federal laws, you should resign from the job.

The Federal government is your God

Nope. Most of us Americans are intelligent to see the problems that will arise if religious beliefs are allowed to corrupt our government. This the reason WHY the Pilgrims left England. Because their king did NOT allow religious freedom or freedom FROM religions. The government cannot interfere with your religious customs or practices to an EXTENT. Once your religious freedom denies another person their rights, that is where your religious freedom ends, and that just makes good sense. I mean, think about it, some day in America we could have a very large Muslim population. Keeping religious beliefs and customs out of government is just a great idea.

Then the courts should also not allow Shariah Law which is what they are doing.
They are favoring one religion over another.
Two federal courts have ruled that singling out Shariah — as Oklahoma voters originally did in 2010 — is unconstitutional.

 

[Seawytch]

I really don't know what there is to argue about. If she cannot do her job, she should resign. Nobody "owes" her anything. Her trying to deny people marriage certificates based on her religious beliefs is just nothing but crap. That is her trying to use her religion in her "governmental" job. We are a secular nation that does not hold one religion over another or none. We are all entitled to live our lives as we see fit as long as we are not hurting someone else. This woman has NO right to try to force her religious beliefs on anyone, and if her religious beliefs are interfering with her job performance, then she needs to GO!

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

There is no biblical law preventing gays from civil marriage...that isn't stopping this particular thrice divorced clerk now is it?

It's obvious you don't want to answer the question because it would expose your hypocrisy.

 

[ChrisL]

If you can't follow the federal laws, you should resign from the job.

The Federal government is your God

Nope. Most of us Americans are intelligent to see the problems that will arise if religious beliefs are allowed to corrupt our government. This the reason WHY the Pilgrims left England. Because their king did NOT allow religious freedom or freedom FROM religions. The government cannot interfere with your religious customs or practices to an EXTENT. Once your religious freedom denies another person their rights, that is where your religious freedom ends, and that just makes good sense. I mean, think about it, some day in America we could have a very large Muslim population. Keeping religious beliefs and customs out of government is just a great idea.

Then the courts should also not allow Shariah Law which is what they are doing.
They are favoring one religion over another.
Two federal courts have ruled that singling out Shariah — as Oklahoma voters originally did in 2010 — is unconstitutional.

You will have to post a link for me to know the entire story.

 

[peach174]

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

THat is YOUR interpretation of Sharia law...what if we get a Muslim clerk who interprets it differently? After all...we get Christians who interpret the bible differently from each other....

That is not my interpretation.
It is a fact.

 

[ChrisL]

I haven't heard of anyone being forced to practice Sharia religious beliefs here in America. I do, however, hear about Christians who want to break our secular laws to discriminate against groups of people they don't like. Since Christians make up a MUCH larger portion of our population, THEY are the problem right now. They want our government to be in stride with their religious beliefs and to endorse their discrimination. Wrong, wrong, wrong!!

 

[peach174]

Well see that is the other side of the coin.
Not hurting someone else.
To her religious view it is harming her religious believe that God says homosexuality is an abomination.
Forcing her to marry same sex couples puts her in harms way with Gods Judgment on her for performing them.
She was elected in 2014 before the court ruling and that is another thing altogether that maybe the courts need to look at with the ex post facto law.
If the courts had ruled before she became the clerk then she may have not run for the position.
It's a dilemma for both of their rights and is in conflict with each ones rights.
Religious people do not check out and put religion aside when they go to work. Gov. job or no Gov. job.

If she cannot treat others equally due to her religious beliefs, then she needs to go! Our government is secular. We do not deny people things based upon religious beliefs.

That is the argument of the left in recent years that our government is secular.
It's been an argument on and off since the 1890's by those that want a secular government.
The Feds can't set up a State Religion, not prohibit the Church from influencing the State.
This is what is happing with some courts ruling on Muslims having Sharia law right now.

So Peach...if a Muslim DMV supervisor told his office to stop issuing drivers licenses to women, that would be within his religious right to do so in your opinion, yes?

There is no Sharia law that prohibits women from driving.
That is a Government Law in Saudi Arabia and the only country that prohibits women from driving.

There is no biblical law preventing gays from civil marriage...that isn't stopping this particular thrice divorced clerk now is it?

It's obvious you don't want to answer the question because it would expose your hypocrisy.

I gave her ideology from her side of view.
it has nothing to do with mine.

 

[SwimExpert]

Good for her. Shes standing up for what she believes.

Somehow, I doubt you would be singing this tune if we were talking about a Quaker Sheriff who was refusing to issue gun permits based on his religious beliefs.

 

[RDD_1210]

"Kim Davis got pregnant with her third husband's twins while married to her first husband. Her second husband adopted them before she moved on to her fourth husband."

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times

This woman is a grade A hypocrite....follows the bible my ass.

No wonder she appeals to the conservative base. She doesn't practice what she preaches.

 

[kaz]

If you can't follow the federal laws, you should resign from the job.

The Federal government is your God

Nope. Most of us Americans are intelligent to see the problems that will arise if religious beliefs are allowed to corrupt our government. This the reason WHY the Pilgrims left England. Because their king did NOT allow religious freedom or freedom FROM religions. The government cannot interfere with your religious customs or practices to an EXTENT. Once your religious freedom denies another person their rights, that is where your religious freedom ends, and that just makes good sense. I mean, think about it, some day in America we could have a very large Muslim population. Keeping religious beliefs and customs out of government is just a great idea.

If you grasped this with that liberalism is a religion you'd be getting somewhere

 

[ChrisL]

If you can't follow the federal laws, you should resign from the job.

The Federal government is your God

Nope. Most of us Americans are intelligent to see the problems that will arise if religious beliefs are allowed to corrupt our government. This the reason WHY the Pilgrims left England. Because their king did NOT allow religious freedom or freedom FROM religions. The government cannot interfere with your religious customs or practices to an EXTENT. Once your religious freedom denies another person their rights, that is where your religious freedom ends, and that just makes good sense. I mean, think about it, some day in America we could have a very large Muslim population. Keeping religious beliefs and customs out of government is just a great idea.

If you grasped this with that liberalism is a religion you'd be getting somewhere

Well, I disagree with that, and I am not a liberal. Liberal is a political ideology. Also, I'm a centrist not a liberal. You having to put labels on everyone that disagrees with you is your problem.