CDZ Homeless Problem Part II

[badger2]

Baltimore is a surprising location for tiny home morphology. URL will function if typed in the spacebar.

11 Sept 2019 Tiny Houses, Huge Opportunity: Baltimore's Civic Works Trains Young Adults in Construction
baltimoresun.com/features/home/bs-mg-hm-tiny-homes-20190911-gnfffgupufbr5adftb6afc7n5i-story.html

A tiny home event in Ohio, with some photos of models:

Are People Actually Happy In Tiny Houses?
countryliving.com/real-estate/news/a44021/tiny-house-regret/

 

[badger2]

In the 20 Reasons report, frame # 4/21: "You'd also be bucking an economic trend that sees more people upsizing than downsizing."

frame 5/21 relies on if one has a family

6/21 is one of the most dangerous parameters

7/21 "most communities....won't let you live in an RV full time."

8/21 "getting electricity, heat, steady running water, and sewage....will cost roughly the same as what bigger houses pay"

9/21 "appliances for tiny homes are often more expensive."

10/21 "moving a tiny house isn't cheap"

11/21 "the logistics for moving a tiny house are complicated."

12/21 "it could take years to see any savings."

13/21 "not all tiny houses are insurable."

14/21 "mortgages are difficult to get."

15/21 "shopping can be challenging with limited space."

16/21 "garbage, storage, disposal"

17/21 "having mail delivered can get tricky"

18/21 "it now take a lot less to make a downsized space look like a mess, tiny home owners note."

19/21 Testing patience in a confined space

20/21 "Neighbors can be hostile to tiny home owners....consider your home's resale value"

21/21 Resale value can drop drastically....don't appreciate in value like a standard home....it's land that appreciates in value over time, not necessarily structures.

 

[badger2]

Homeless Part II Drug Report

It seems that meth is rumbling up for a comeback, target U.S.

20 Sept 2019 "Out of Control"
(URL functions if typed in spacebar)
yahoo.com/news/meth-us-big-comeback-145207167.html

20 Sept 2019 Border Patrol Arrest Two Men Smuggling Methamphetamine
cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-arrest-two-men-smuggling-meth

 

[danielpalos]

Prohibition doesn't work. It was proved, last millennium and is in our historical record as the Repeal of that Bad Idea, in those then, modern times.

Better drugs at lower cost!

 

[badger2]

Smuggled from China, it's that fatal dose of fentanyl that is problematic.

 

[jwoodie]

Are People Actually Happy In Tiny Houses?
countryliving.com/real-estate/news/a44021/tiny-house-regret/

Within the context of homelessness, happiness is not a primary issue. Providing small residences to the homeless would remove any legal excuse for living on the streets and negatively impacting others.

 

[badger2]

#146: Yes, and to skirt the issues negative to tiny houses for now, would be the remodeling of existing spaces as "tiny spaces," for individuals. Single-room occupancies (SROs), which have mostly disappeared from the American landscape, could be created so that even baths and kitchens could be made private rather than communistic and shared, a disgusting alternative cultivated by dumb, lazy landlords. There is still the issue of vetting the residents and their responsibilities as residents and just who foots the bill. The latter would open the trajectory for something like a rent-to-own option, etc.

 

[badger2]

@ timepoint 4:40, eviction at gunpoint

Poverty in U.S.

 

[Syriusly]

Most of us agree that homelessness is, in large part, due to substance abuse and mental illness. One problem we face in addressing these issues is that these people can't be forced to participate in treatment programs unless they are an immediate danger to themselves or others.

Like it or not, the only way around this problem is to utilize the criminal justice system as a means for requiring participation in these programs, with the threat of incarceration for noncompliance.

If anyone has an alternative solution to this problem (which hasn't already been tried) please share it.

If a person is mentally ill, a threat of incarceration may not be able to even be comprehended.

My feeling is that we do no favors to anyone who is mentally ill by allowing them to live on the street. But the criminal justice system seems to me the wrong approach- yes police may be necessary to enforce a program, but the process of deciding who is a danger to themselves or others should be in the civil system, not the criminal system.

Of course then we have to fund treatment programs and secure housing for the mentally ill- and funding is usually the problem in way of these kinds of programs.

 

[Picaro]

Homeless Part II Drug Report

It seems that meth is rumbling up for a comeback, target U.S.

20 Sept 2019 "Out of Control"
(URL functions if typed in spacebar)
yahoo.com/news/meth-us-big-comeback-145207167.html

20 Sept 2019 Border Patrol Arrest Two Men Smuggling Methamphetamine
cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/border-patrol-arrest-two-men-smuggling-meth

This country never passed a genuine Prohibition law, for one, and the rather weak implementation of only the few restrictions that were poorly enforced in the 18th drastically reduced the consumption from the extreme levels before the Amendment was passed. Many states already were already dry before the Amendment passed, no problems, and many remained dry after repeal. The only thing made illegal was transport and sale, and in fact the American wine industry boomed under Prohibition, by banning imports and granting exemptions for religious and medical reasons. You could have 50,000 barrels of whiskey in your basement, perfectly legally; as long as you drank it at home and didn't take it off your property or charge him for it the Mayor could drop by and get drunk with you. At least two national drug store chains got their start by selling booze to those with doctor's prescriptions for it.

Before that, the narcotics laws drastically reduced addiction among people as well. Just because some criminals continued to violate laws doesn't make then 'failures' or make an argument for legalization. Laws against rape haven't stopped rapes, laws against burglaries haven't stopped burglaries, laws against murder haven't stopped murders, but they make it possible to get the vermin off the streets and reduce the levels of all those crimes.


meh, quoted the wrong post ... It's easy to figure out though.

 

[San Souci]

Most of us agree that homelessness is, in large part, due to substance abuse and mental illness. One problem we face in addressing these issues is that these people can't be forced to participate in treatment programs unless they are an immediate danger to themselves or others.

Like it or not, the only way around this problem is to utilize the criminal justice system as a means for requiring participation in these programs, with the threat of incarceration for noncompliance.

If anyone has an alternative solution to this problem (which hasn't already been tried) please share it.

Actually it looks pretty good. As for those on drugs ,try treatment centers. As to those destitute ? Bring back vagrancy laws. Which is better? Being in a "Jail Camp" ? Or sleeping in the street and not eating?