HOLY BIBLE Batman

[Shogun]

Divine presence--see---all caught up in the drama. Spirituality is a bit deeper than words.

but no less superficial in truthful application. Greeks and Romans were spiritual too.. Assyrians. Babylonians. Aztecs. Incas..

Hell, I just finished a bio of George Harrison who was, by far, the most "spiritual" beatle.. What does this say, necessarily, about the indian religious he was infatuated with?

 

[AllieBaba]

Ok then these men were divinely inspired....You are still only placing your faith in men by believing what those men claim. And getting back to the topic at the beginning; why did they leave out other books supposedly inspired by God? Seems like God wouldn't like all the editing. I could say my post were inspired by God, but does it really make a difference? Know one even knows who the men were who wrote down the books of the bible so how can you place faith in claims of men who you don't even know the history of? They could have been murderers and rapist for all we know. And by the way a lot of murderers throughout the years claim they did it because God and/or Satan told them to.

The other books were left out because they were not consistent with the MAJORITY of other writings, which came from all over the world and were consistent with each other. The assumption that was made that the ones which were consistent with each other, despite the geographic distances between the writers, were probably the most accurate.

You guys act like the internet and telephones were up and running in 70 AC, and everyone was able to communicate quickly back and forth about this grand "scheme" to control the masses. What you're forgetting is that people could die for adhering to this philosophy, and these books were written by different people who were located far, far apart. How strangely coincidental that they should write the same things. How odd that if it was all a bunch of lies, none of those who could allegedly contradict the information ever did so.

After all, the Gospel was written while there were still eyewitnesses to Jesus' life and death....why did none of them come forth and say "That isn't the way it happened!" There should have been lots of people who could do that...if it was all just a story.

Which of course it isn't.

 

[dilloduck]

but no less superficial in truthful application. Greeks and Romans were spiritual too.. Assyrians. Babylonians. Aztecs. Incas..

Hell, I just finished a bio of George Harrison who was, by far, the most "spiritual" beatle.. What does this say, necessarily, about the indian religious he was infatuated with?

nothing---It says something about his experience with it.

 

[Nemo Securus]

The other books were left out because they were not consistent with the MAJORITY of other writings, which came from all over the world and were consistent with each other. The assumption that was made that the ones which were consistent with each other, despite the geographic distances between the writers, were probably the most accurate.

MOST accurate? Does God make mistakes?

You guys act like the internet and telephones were up and running in 70 AC, and everyone was able to communicate quickly back and forth about this grand "scheme" to control the masses. What you're forgetting is that people could die for adhering to this philosophy, and these books were written by different people who were located far, far apart. How strangely coincidental that they should write the same things. How odd that if it was all a bunch of lies, none of those who could allegedly contradict the information ever did so.

Jesus travelled lots of places actually, so did many others in the bible. Is it also coincidental that nobody in the Americas knew of this? Or that nobody in China, Japan, etc. knew about the writings in the bible?

After all, the Gospel was written while there were still eyewitnesses to Jesus' life and death....why did none of them come forth and say "That isn't the way it happened!" There should have been lots of people who could do that...if it was all just a story.

Which of course it isn't.

Ask King James about that. And actually they have found that the earliest of all the scrolls of the new testament couldn't have been written until at least 150 years after Jesus' death.

 

[AllieBaba]

Bullshit.
And no, God does not make mistakes, which is why the version which does NOT agree with the majority is out.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

MOST accurate? Does God make mistakes?



Jesus travelled lots of places actually, so did many others in the bible. Is it also coincidental that nobody in the Americas knew of this? Or that nobody in China, Japan, etc. knew about the writings in the bible?



Ask King James about that. And actually they have found that the earliest of all the scrolls of the new testament couldn't have been written until at least 150 years after Jesus' death.

Actually the Mormons happen to believe Jesus did visit the America's and that the Book of Mormon is that chronicle and religious text.

 

[AllieBaba]

Actually, the earliest of the NT was written around 78 AD; the oldest COPY of such is about 80 years younger.

 

[Ravi]

Actually, the earliest of the NT was written around 78 AD; the oldest COPY of such is about 80 years younger.

So memories were kind of fuzzy, eh? Ever notice how Americans can't agree on what happened last week, let along 78 years ago?

 

[AllieBaba]

You don't need memory if you have it right in front of you, dumbass troll.

 

[Ravi]

You don't need memory if you have it right in front of you, dumbass troll.

Why are you so cranky today?

If it wasn't written until 78 years after the fact, how did they have it right in front of them?

 

[Shogun]

I disagree, baba. How many historic "facts" do we still debate as a culture that are a mere 75 years old?


You are getting a filtered version from the opinons of men who may or may not be accurate. It seems to me that the same being that created the universe in 7 days should be able to make a presence beyond fundemental humans who are not at all unique in claiming to be the voice of god.

 

[AllieBaba]

The Gospel was written by people who interviewed the disciples. The written word wasn't then what it is today. People didn't all read and there wasn't Fed Ex. Papyrus was revolutionary, for pete's sakes. Before that, people wrote on clay tablets or stone. Not conducive to quickly jotting down information.

 

[AllieBaba]

I disagree, baba. How many historic "facts" do we still debate as a culture that are a mere 75 years old?


You are getting a filtered version from the opinons of men who may or may not be accurate. It seems to me that the same being that created the universe in 7 days should be able to make a presence beyond fundemental humans who are not at all unique in claiming to be the voice of god.

"Should" according to your own narrow view of the universe.

You can't accept the fact that a man cannot fathom the mind of God, and this is where your arrogance and disbelief comes in.

God believes in us, despite the fact that we are foul, sinful and horrible creatures. His only request is that we believe in him. And so many can't even do that.

 

[Shogun]

The Gospel was written by people who interviewed the disciples. The written word wasn't then what it is today. People didn't all read and there wasn't Fed Ex. Papyrus was revolutionary, for pete's sakes. Before that, people wrote on clay tablets or stone. Not conducive to quickly jotting down information.

interviews have never been error proof, baba. Im reminded of Kinsey's little foray into asking questions. The fact remains that canonized legends occur within societies to accentuate heroes despite the truth. See Washington's cherry tree.

 

[AllieBaba]

Unless God is the editor.

 

[Shogun]

"Should" according to your own narrow view of the universe.
You can't accept the fact that a man cannot fathom the mind of God, and this is where your arrogance and disbelief comes in.
God believes in us, despite the fact that we are foul, sinful and horrible creatures. His only request is that we believe in him. And so many can't even do that.

I've never claimed that a man KNOWS the mind of god. Hell, thats exactly what IM NOT claiming when pointing out that a HUMAN wrote the bible. The writers of the books of the collected bible, ALONG WITH THOSE WHO DECIDED WHAT TO ADD OR SCRAP, cannot know the mind of their own god per the very verses they included.

 

[Shogun]

Unless God is the editor.

OR, more likely, a fabrication used to sell an ideology much in the same way Aunt Jamima sells syrup.

 

[Shogun]

 

[AllieBaba]

OR, more likely, a fabrication used to sell an ideology much in the same way Aunt Jamima sells syrup.

Hmmm...what other fabrications do you know of where people down through the ages have laid down their lives in support of? Over and over again? For 2 thousand years?

And what, exactly, was the profit to the disciples, who all but one died poor and tortured, to spread this ideology? What was their motivation, if it was all just vapid musings and power-mad fabrication?

 

[jillian]

OR, more likely, a fabrication used to sell an ideology much in the same way Aunt Jamima sells syrup.

Or somewhere in between.

Faith is fine, but people need to understand the difference between what's fact and what's taken "on faith". They aren't interchangeable no matter how much some wish they were.