Holder: I'm not trying to equate the two...

[Darkwind]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

 

[Big Black Dog]

I put equate in my coffee every morning...

 

[Darkwind]

I put equate in my coffee every morning...

Here you go.

equate

verb \i-ˈkwāt, ˈē-ˌ\
equat·edequat·ing


Definition of EQUATE

transitive verb
1
a : to make equal : equalize b : to make such an allowance or correction in as will reduce to a common standard or obtain a correct result

2
: to treat, represent, or regard as equal, equivalent, or comparable <equates disagreement with disloyalty>

intransitive verb
: to correspond as equal


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Examples of EQUATE

1. You shouldn't equate those two things.
2. <a value system that equates money with success>

Origin of EQUATE

Middle English, from Latin aequatus, past participle of aequareFirst Known Use: 15th century

 

[Vidi]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

 

[hjmick]

GOD damnit! Quit trying to inject "truth" into the topic!

 

[Vidi]

GOD damnit! Quit trying to inject "truth" into the topic!

Sorry but thats what I like to deal with...the truth. I support Obama in the next election but Im not afraid to point out when he fucked up...which Fast and Furious clearly is...a fuck up. A major one. That may even cost him the election.

Its certainly gotten the conversation away from the previous topics of Vulture Capitalism and Voter suppression, hasnt it?

Maybe next week, Romney will kick a baby. Not likely, but I can hope lol.

 

[Darkwind]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

If you listen carefully, you will note that there was NO exact same tactic.

Care to review and explain why that is?

 

[CaféAuLait]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

And after he states they are two separate things. he also retracts his statement that Bush knew about F&F.

Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious

Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[Darkwind]

GOD damnit! Quit trying to inject "truth" into the topic!

The Spew Czar just yesterday was saying that the two programs were essentially the same. Yet, here is the AG, saying that the two cannot be equated with one another.

In fact, that is true and can be seen by the very direct question that Holder had to answer on how the two programs differed so fundamentally as to be separate operations. Oh, there is Holders words again. Separate Operations....

There are a few people that really need to face some perjury charges.

 

[Darkwind]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

And after he states they are two separate things. he also retracts his statement that Bush knew about F&F.

Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious

Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious | WashingtonExaminer.com

You'd think that they'd all get together and find out what they have said in the past and make sure that their stories match the video and audio record of their testimony.

 

[GuyPinestra]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

Then explain the memos referencing the 'long gun' requirements the DOJ was wanting to implement. Explain the cacophony of liberal voices, from Obama right down the line, decrying all the deaths south of the border and blaming American guns, pushing for a reinstituted assault weapons ban.

And then explain why all those voices STOPPED as soon as Fast & Furious became public.

Take your time, I'll wait.

 

[Vidi]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

Then explain the memos referencing the 'long gun' requirements the DOJ was wanting to implement. Explain the cacophony of liberal voices, from Obama right down the line, decrying all the deaths south of the border and blaming American guns, pushing for a reinstituted assault weapons ban.

And then explain why all those voices STOPPED as soon as Fast & Furious became public.

Take your time, I'll wait.

Youre talking about "Demand Letter 3 " which only asked that Gun Dealers would have to report suspiscious sales. Personally, I dont see a problem with that.

As far as the assault weapons ban, Ive heard almost no one talking about that since the Giffords shooting and even then it was about the clips themselves.

Theyre not getting our guns. Not going to happen. this happens EVERY election cycle. If the Dems win, theyll take our guns. Well, they havent gotten mine. They never will. And Im not going to get all crazy worried about a political tactic that I see every damned election.

Time we got smarter than that.

As far as why they all got silent? Well, how much do you hear about Bain capital right now? Or Trayvon Martin? Or OctoMoms porn video? ( yes she has one now...and its CRAZY weird. Saw the not so porny parts on BuzzFeed )

Something else took center stage. Americas all have ADD, we looked away and saw a new bright and shiny. In a week or two, Romney will kick a cat or say something stupid and the attention will turn to that. Then Obama will do something stupid and the attention will turn to that.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

That might be true if bush did not have contact with the Mexican government and both countries working together. Holder and obama didn't do that.

 

[rdean]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

The point being?

 

[rdean]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

That might be true if bush did not have contact with the Mexican government and both countries working together. Holder and obama didn't do that.

We know that Fast and Furious started without the knowledge of Holder.

 

[Darkwind]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

That might be true if bush did not have contact with the Mexican government and both countries working together. Holder and obama didn't do that.

Give the man a cigar...

The other important aspect of Wide Receiver vs F&F is that when it became apparent to the DOJ under the Bush Administration that the program was not going to bring about the results they wanted, they shut it down.

F&F was shut down only after people died, not because someone did an analysis and then wrote a report saying, "Um, hey guys. People are dying because of us and we aren't getting any intel on the Cartels."

Two of the most significant reasons why these two programs cannot even compare tactics, let alone procedures.

To say that Bush started the progenitor to F&F is simply a known statement of a falsehood.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

That might be true if bush did not have contact with the Mexican government and both countries working together. Holder and obama didn't do that.

We know that Fast and Furious started without the knowledge of Holder.

We know it did and with the knowledge of obama.

 

[Vidi]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

Even John Stewart is getting it wrong saying that Obama "inherited" this program from the Bush years.

Its absolutely not true.

First there was GunRunner in 2005, then Wide Reciever in 2007, then NOTHING until 2009 when fast and Furious started up.

However, the fact that its the EXACT same tactic as the Bush Era programs SHOULD put an end to the nonsense taht this was all about taking away 2nd amendment rights. If that lie were true, then Bush was doing the same thing...was he trying to grab our guns? Nope. And neither is Obama.

Plenty of REALLY BAD SHIT in this debacle to slam Obama for...Gun grabbing is NOT one of them.

That might be true if bush did not have contact with the Mexican government and both countries working together. Holder and obama didn't do that.

Ahhh see I think I heard it backwards then...or understood it backwards. It was my understanding that Bush didnt have the Mexican government in with him while Obama did. Got a link to prove that wrong? ( Im guessing youre correct on that though )

But my point still stands that this was not implimented as a gun grab.

I think we are also forgetting about this:

BBC News - Mexico's Calderon: US not doing enough in drugs war

obviously, we were doing something...he just didnt know about it...and we apparently made it worse. OH JOY!

 

[Jackson]

GOD damnit! Quit trying to inject "truth" into the topic!

Sorry but thats what I like to deal with...the truth. I support Obama in the next election but Im not afraid to point out when he fucked up...which Fast and Furious clearly is...a fuck up. A major one. That may even cost him the election.

Its certainly gotten the conversation away from the previous topics of Vulture Capitalism and Voter suppression, hasnt it?

Maybe next week, Romney will kick a baby. Not likely, but I can hope lol.

I really commend you for your honesty and commitment. I don't mind anyone and their support for Obama as long as they don't twist the facts to rationalize their support. They just should have admitted the errors at the beginning and avoided all of this. You are right. This may cost him the election.

I respect you as an objective and honest poster.

 

[Darkwind]

For those of you who keep lying about F&F being a Bush program, I have holder, in his own words, telling Congress that F&F and the Bush program are two separate things.

Holder contradicts Bush did it too.wmv - YouTube

The point being?

That people who say that Bush started this are liars. The point is, even the AG under Obama acknowledges that the two programs are completely dissimilar and that F&F is wholly owned by the DOJ under the Obama Administration.

Who you believe is up to you, but this is directly from the horses mouth.

The Spew Czar should be considered for forced resignation and a few people should be looked at for perjury charges.