Hmm... I thought Libs keep stating there's no connection?

Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by -Cp, Jun 13, 2006.

  1. -Cp
    Offline

    -Cp Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2004
    Messages:
    2,911
    Thanks Received:
    360
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Earth
    Ratings:
    +363
    REBUILDING IN THE GULF
    Document shows Saddam-Taliban ties
    Indicates relationship between secular regime and Muslim terrorists

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Posted: June 13, 2006
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    A newly released document from Iraq demonstrates a relationship between former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and terrorist groups – including the Islamic-based Taliban, which harbored al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

    The document, posted by the Pentagon's Foreign Military Studies Office, indicates that in 1999 the Taliban invited Iraqi officials to Afghanistan, Fox News reports.

    While some intelligence analysts have insisted Saddam's secular regime would not have collaborated with radical Muslim groups, the document says "Islamic relations with Iraq" were encouraged by the Taliban to arbitrate a meeting with the Northern Alliance rebels in Afghanistan and Russia.

    The document also mentions two men with ties to Pakistani religious schools, jihad training camps, the Taliban and al-Qaida.

    An Iraqi intelligence agent kept a notebook, posted on the Fox News Channel website, that details meetings between al-Qaida and Taliban supporter Maulana Fazlur Rahman and Taha Yassin Ramadan, the former vice president of Iraq, along with other Iraqi officials.

    Ramadan was Saddam's right-hand-man, in charge of ensuring orders were carried out by Iraqi officials. A 2002 BBC article stated, "Washington showed considerable interest in him well before the Iraq war."

    In the story, opposition forces also claimed Ramadan hosted al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, in Baghdad in 1998.

    The notebook also recorded Maulana Fazlur Rahman as being at the discussion. Rahman has been described as a Pakistani cleric with ties to the Taliban who is a contender for the position of prime minister.

    As WorldNetDaily reported, among many documents posted by the Pentagon in March was a letter from a member of Saddam's intelligence apparatus indicating al-Qaida and the Taliban had a relationship with the regime prior to the 9-11 attacks.

    The letter by a member of Saddam's Al Mukabarat to a superior, dated Sept. 15, 2001, reports a pre-9/11 conversation between an Iraqi intelligence source and a Taliban Afghani consul.

    >Earlier this month, a newly translated document captured from the Saddam regime revealed Iraq's hiding of chemical-weapons materials and the location of their burial.

    In 2003, a 16-page top secret government memo to the Senate Intelligence Committee said bin Laden and Saddam had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, as well as financial and logistical support, and may have included the bombing of the USS Cole and the Sept. 11 attacks.

    "The memo, dated Oct. 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee," reported the Weekly Standard. It was written in response to a request from the committee as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the administration.

    According to the Weekly Standard, the memo reports Saddam's willingness to help bin Laden plot against Americans began in 1990, shortly before the first Gulf War, and continued until the eve of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. It says bin Laden sent ''emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to meet with Iraqi government officials.'' At some unspecified point in 1991, according to a CIA analysis, ''Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to establish links to al-Qaida.''

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50621
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  2. jasendorf
    Offline

    jasendorf Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Messages:
    1,015
    Thanks Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Ohio
    Ratings:
    +76
    So, let me get this straight... the Taliban send a letter to Saddam so they're in bed together? In related news, President Bush in Bed With Iranians!

    Or maybe the old, "if two diplomats meet they're in bed with each other" line? Really?

    I think my favorite piece of "evidence" is this: "The letter by a member of Saddam's Al Mukabarat to a superior, dated Sept. 15, 2001, reports a pre-9/11 conversation between an Iraqi intelligence source and a Taliban Afghani consul." So, a SPY noted that a MOLE had had a conversation with a Taliban consul? I would venture a guess that we have lots of CIA agents reporting conversations between our moles and our enemies too...


    I can't believe people still buy this tripe. We had more 9/11 terrorists training in the United States than were training in Iraq. We were sending the Taliban money in for The War on Drugs. But, I don't believe that the Bush Administration was in bed with the Taliban, al queda or osama either.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. insein
    Offline

    insein Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2004
    Messages:
    6,096
    Thanks Received:
    356
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Amazing huh...
    Ratings:
    +356
    NO! Not more evidence of the connection. Stop! Your further shredding the Liberals argument. :lalala:
     
  4. Diuretic
    Offline

    Diuretic Permanently confused

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2006
    Messages:
    12,653
    Thanks Received:
    1,397
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    South Australia est 1836
    Ratings:
    +1,397
    Why are you apologists for the invasion and occupation of Iraq still living in the past? We all know the various reasons for invasion are crap. Get with the programme, focus on how to fix it instead of continually trying to justify it, sheesh, talk about history.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  5. tim_duncan2000
    Offline

    tim_duncan2000 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2004
    Messages:
    694
    Thanks Received:
    66
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Ratings:
    +66
    Damn! I was just about to use that smilie but you beat me to it.
     
  6. Diuretic
    Offline

    Diuretic Permanently confused

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2006
    Messages:
    12,653
    Thanks Received:
    1,397
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    South Australia est 1836
    Ratings:
    +1,397
    So how's that "evidence " going? Do you feel stupid yet?
     
  7. CSM
    Offline

    CSM Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2004
    Messages:
    6,907
    Thanks Received:
    708
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Northeast US
    Ratings:
    +708
    You KNOW that huh? If the libs would stoip their incesant whining about the "illegal and unjust" war we could move on but as long as they continue to make it an issue it needs to be rebutted. The fact that the current administration fails to defend itself against these propaganda attacks initiated by the left really pisses me off. It's about time they (the administration) stand up to the lefties and set the record straight...the MSM and libs have twisted and spun the truth so much they dont even KNOW what truth is anymore.
     
  8. Mr.Conley
    Offline

    Mr.Conley Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2006
    Messages:
    1,958
    Thanks Received:
    115
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    New Orleans, LA/Cambridge, MA
    Ratings:
    +116
    You do realize that both this administration and the past administration held talks with the Taliban before 9/11. Does that mean we helped Bin Laden plan 9/11? Also the article states that while the Taliban invited Iraqi officials to visit Afghanistan, it offers no proof of collaboration between the two governments. It also fails to demonstrate any actual connection between Saddam and Bin Laden. Even if Saddam had extensive dealings with the Taliban, something which this article does not prove; it only shows that they had one diplomatic meeting once; visiting with the Taliban once is not proof that Saddam dealt with al-Quada, a seperate organization, or helped plan the 9/11 attacks. This document is a far cry from proof that Saddam helped plan 9/11.
     
  9. theHawk
    Offline

    theHawk Registered Conservative

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2005
    Messages:
    10,853
    Thanks Received:
    2,066
    Trophy Points:
    280
    Location:
    Germany
    Ratings:
    +5,740
    No one ever stated he helped plan 9/11. Just that he did have ties with Al Qaeda.
     
  10. Mr.Conley
    Offline

    Mr.Conley Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2006
    Messages:
    1,958
    Thanks Received:
    115
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    New Orleans, LA/Cambridge, MA
    Ratings:
    +116
    That is why I also state in my post that the opening article also fails to demonstrate ties between Saddam and Bin Laden.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1

Share This Page