CDZ Hitting back at the Russians

[Eloy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

See Post #40.

 

[FA_Q2]

Yes. The integrity of the election is a foundation that enables Americans to believe that an election was fair and free. When they are meddled with, people will wonder whether the winner is legitimate. President Obama must have known what the Russians were up to but he let it happen anyway. His response is too late and too lame.

People can wonder all they want. People are still demanding that Bush illegally stole the election in 2000 and that did not require Russians at all.

Yes, the government should protect the election process. No, Obama did not screw anything up when the Russians successfully hacked into a private organization and released information they did not want released. What matters is how we deal with it. Obama and the government are not all powerful - they cannot protect everyone from international cyber threats.

What SHOULD have happened is that the DNC should not have blatantly incriminating communications that show how disingenuous the process is.

By interfering in the election in the manner in which they did, the Russians have succeeded in bringing into question the legitimacy of Donald Trump's victory. People will always have at the back of their minds that Trump was elected by dirty tricks.

Again, people that already would have demanded he was not legitimate anyway. There is no proof that the Russians had enough effect to swing the election and even less talk about WHY that effect even happened. Hint - it is because the bullshit games the AMERICAN politicians were playing with the election.

I understand FOX News is the most popular TV news station among Americans who also listen in great numbers to far right hate radio. This fact singles them out and also how everything is presented with spin. Conservative voters are able to get a steady diet of spin and lies from stations like these which have the appearance of being fair and balanced but clearly are not. The real news story was how the Russians were hacking into American political networks and then leaking the stolen information to Wikileaks who published it but the hate radio and FOX News, like the Russians, mock the truth.

You singling them out is nothing but partisan bull. The NY Times, HuffPo, MSNBC, ABC etc. etc. ALL reported on the leaked emails. That is what news agencies do - they report news. YOU just do not like the fact that such news was not good for the DNC. FOX did not spin any of the information on those other networks nor are they any less biased in their BS.

Hell, the NY Times OPENLY biased themselves for Clinton - something that a 'news' agency should NEVER do but seems just fine in the modern asinine view of what a reporter is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-for-president.html?_r=0

FOX News and hate radio are not obliged to publish stolen data planted by the Russians.

Instead you think they should cover up information that does not help the democrat candidate? Still utterly silent on the illegal acquisition and publishing of Trump's records...

It is the nature of cyber warfare to select what they want to leak, to put a slant on it and release it in time to have the FBI believe they have thousands of emails that might prove Hillary Clinton is a criminal.

And instead they released everything. The timing was all about hyping up wikileaks viewership. They released torrential waves of emails.

Stories need not be 100% factual or 100% fake. It can have elements of both. Good reporters consider their sources and motivations to get at the real truth and editors have to consider if publication is snaring them in the plot.

And this one does not. It is all factual. End of story. They hacked DNC emails and then released them. The fact that the DNC wants them to be fake does not change the reality that they are not.

I agree that the Russians tried to meddle in the American presidential election. The difference between us is that I believe they have been successful.

The difference between us is that I am sticking to the facts of the situation and you are demanding that something happened (the Russians 'stealing' the election) that has no basis. They stole nothing - they released INFORMATION. That is NOT stealing an election. It is meddling in the process but does not amount to determining the outcome

No, I do not believe Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Russians annexing Crimea.

Never said she was responsible. I said the US (under her SoS) tried to meddle in Ukraine's election. Russia responded by annexing Crimea. Russia is still responsible for their actions. We are still guilty of trying to meddle in a sovereign nations election as well.

Not likely. Putin does not care what the US releases - he controls the media in Russia and ergo the messages that get to the people.
Obama: 'Public shaming' won't deter Russia from future cyberattacks

Obama has publicly said that such a strategy would do little.

I disagree with President Obama on this. Publishing bad stuff about Putin will annoy the kleptocrat and that would be a good thing.[/QUOTE]
I doubt that will matter - we have done FAR worse to them already and it has had almost no effect. It is because Putin knows we do not have the backbone to back up what we claim we will do. It is why we are loosing all influence over in that area of the world to Russia - they back their shit up.

Obama's FP (and Hillary's tenure of SoS) has been an abysmal failure.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

See Post #40.

What about it?

 

[Eloy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

See Post #40.

What about it?

Post #40 answers your question.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

See Post #40.

What about it?

Post #40 answers your question.

Are you being completely serious right now?

 

[Correll]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Cold war is over. Stop being a warmonger.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

 

[Eloy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

See Post #40.

What about it?

Post #40 answers your question.

Are you being completely serious right now?

Of course I am serious.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

When can we have some kind of verification of the "secret report"? Or should we just take their word for it?

See Post #40.

What about it?

Post #40 answers your question.

Are you being completely serious right now?

Of course I am serious.

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[Eloy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Cold war is over. Stop being a warmonger.

You missed the part where I wrote about the Cyber Cold War ... "Cyber" which is about stealing by hacking and using computers as well as anti-American propaganda on computers and on the Kremlin's TV Russia Today with fake news. I proposed using similar tactics against Putin. A new cold war has already started, in case you don;t know.

 

[Constructive Anarchy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Cold war is over. Stop being a warmonger.

You missed the part where I wrote about the Cyber Cold War ... "Cyber" which is about stealing by hacking and using computers as well as anti-American propaganda on computers and on the Kremlin's TV Russia Today with fake news. I proposed using similar tactics against Putin. A new cold war has already started, in case you don;t know.

Fake news? You mean like CNN, FOX News, and MSNBC? Maybe the New York Times or the Washington Post? That kind of fake news?

 

[Correll]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Cold war is over. Stop being a warmonger.

You missed the part where I wrote about the Cyber Cold War ... "Cyber" which is about stealing by hacking and using computers as well as anti-American propaganda on computers and on the Kremlin's TV Russia Today with fake news. I proposed using similar tactics against Putin. A new cold war has already started, in case you don;t know.

Propaganda is rarely considered warfare.

The russians might have hacked and released some political embarrassing emails.

Compare that to parking ten thousand tanks in the middle of Europe and threatening a massive war of conquest and world tyranny.

The people trying to gin this up into a new Cold War, are the problem.

 

[Eloy]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Cold war is over. Stop being a warmonger.

You missed the part where I wrote about the Cyber Cold War ... "Cyber" which is about stealing by hacking and using computers as well as anti-American propaganda on computers and on the Kremlin's TV Russia Today with fake news. I proposed using similar tactics against Putin. A new cold war has already started, in case you don;t know.

Fake news? You mean like CNN, FOX News, and MSNBC? Maybe the New York Times or the Washington Post? That kind of fake news?

You cannot lump all the America together; FOX News and hate radio are far right with more fake news than others.

 

[FA_Q2]

Having witnessed the Russians hacking into Democratic party computers and influencing the outcome of the presidential election there, it is time for President Obama to respond with more than words. He did promise to do so "at a time and place of our own choosing" but he has only weeks before a Russian-friendly Donald Trump takes over. So, the "time" he speaks of is now. That the Russians could mess with the election through their cyber skills is bad enough when President Obama should have been protecting the integrity of American elections but it makes the Americans look weak to the rest of the world who will see minority president-elect Donald Trump as Moscow's man in Washington. Hitting back right now is a must. But what to do?

Cyber war is something the Russians do well. By leaking information selectively to a media willing to run with the stolen data and fake news, hate radio and FOX News in America, they can cause an electorate to question the integrity of our democratic system. The Russians have been using disinformation for years and they have provided the script to enemies of the United States. As they annexed Crimea, they claimed this was what the people there wanted. They got away with that. They moved into eastern Ukraine and even shot-down a civilian plane carrying many Dutch families and simply denied it was them. They sent their navy through the English Channel on its way to prop-up the murderous dictator Assad and they are winning the propaganda war there with plenty of stooges willing to repeat their claim that they are killing only terrorists.

Why did Obama let all this happen and then stand-by and let the Russians steal an American presidential election? The Russians have contempt for the United States and the European Union. Putin is winning the Cyber Cold War. There must be some people with cyber capabilities in the United States. Trump is ready to get rid of sanctions on Russia. But, let's get personal. What Putin would not like and what Obama can do is to declassify and publish documents about Vladimir Putin's personal fortune. Like Trump, he has a lot of money and real estate. The details of this is a secret to the Russian people and its revelation leading up to Putin's reelection in 2018 might lower his popularity at home.

Cold war is over. Stop being a warmonger.

You missed the part where I wrote about the Cyber Cold War ... "Cyber" which is about stealing by hacking and using computers as well as anti-American propaganda on computers and on the Kremlin's TV Russia Today with fake news. I proposed using similar tactics against Putin. A new cold war has already started, in case you don;t know.

Fake news? You mean like CNN, FOX News, and MSNBC? Maybe the New York Times or the Washington Post? That kind of fake news?

You cannot lump all the America together; FOX News and hate radio are far right with more fake news than others.

Because you say so.

Or more correctly, because you disagree with their particular brand of bias but agree with the other stations brand of bias.