Hitler's Socialism 1933-1939

[Sallow]

Hitler was an atheist and hated all religions.

No..he was not.

You need to read a book too!

Nothing like hearing from the man himself!

1. Adolf Hitler: Acting According to God's Will
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

Adolf Hitler: Thanking God
Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Über Alles
I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5

Adolf Hitler: God's Grace Smiles
Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7

Adolf Hitler: Fulfilling God's Mission
What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8

Adolf Hitler: Fate of God
But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God
In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11

Adolf Hitler: Sacrilege Against God
Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Party Represents Positive Christianity
"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...."


- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NSDAP)

Adolf Hitler: I am a Catholic
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

Adolf Hitler: Christianity and the Holy German Reich
As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 3

Hitler's favorite book..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And..last but not least..

Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do pick up a book..

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So history is funny to you?

Germany was allied with Japan and Italy. What do you really think Hitler felt about the Italians and Japanese.

You dredge up some obscure Bosnian unit? And a couple of nutty imans?

Just one unit?

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH

1933 Hitler Finds Arab Support [xi]
Arab Nazi political groups spring up throughout Middle East:

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH "NO JEWS ALLOWED" 1933 - 1944

 

[Sallow]

So history is funny to you?

Germany was allied with Japan and Italy. What do you really think Hitler felt about the Italians and Japanese.

You dredge up some obscure Bosnian unit? And a couple of nutty imans?

Just one unit?

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH

1933 Hitler Finds Arab Support [xi]
Arab Nazi political groups spring up throughout Middle East:

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH "NO JEWS ALLOWED" 1933 - 1944

Skip right over that Japanese and Italian thing did ya?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Germany was allied with Japan and Italy. What do you really think Hitler felt about the Italians and Japanese.

You dredge up some obscure Bosnian unit? And a couple of nutty imans?

Just one unit?

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH

1933 Hitler Finds Arab Support [xi]
Arab Nazi political groups spring up throughout Middle East:

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH "NO JEWS ALLOWED" 1933 - 1944

Skip right over that Japanese and Italian thing did ya?

You made the claim hitler hated the Muslims. Maybe, he did but I am sure he also didn't mind using them

 

[Sallow]

Just one unit?

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH

1933 Hitler Finds Arab Support [xi]
Arab Nazi political groups spring up throughout Middle East:

PART II MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD UNITES WITH HILTER'S THIRD REICH "NO JEWS ALLOWED" 1933 - 1944

Skip right over that Japanese and Italian thing did ya?

You made the claim hitler hated the Muslims. Maybe, he did but I am sure he also didn't mind using them

He didn't mind using the Japanese and Italians either. If he won WWII..he would have rolled both those countries in a heart beat.

 

[westwall]

No..he was not.

You need to read a book too!

Nothing like hearing from the man himself!




You do realise that Mein Kampf was a piece of propaganda right? He wrote what the people wanted to hear and added a little vitriol himself. There have been hundreds of books written on Hitler that use his direct quotes and those of his closest allys and his fundamental atheism is not in doubt. Even his anti semitism is questionable as there was a instance where Rheinhard Heydrich (head of the Sicherheistdienst) presented a list of generals who were of Jewish blood and Hitler tore the list up and said "I'll tell you who is Jewish and who is not" before turning on his heel and walking away.

Adolf Hitler: I am a Catholic
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941

Adolf Hitler: Christianity and the Holy German Reich
As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 3

Hitler's favorite book..

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And..last but not least..

Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do pick up a book..

You do realise that Mein Kampf was a piece of propaganda right? He wrote what the people wanted to hear and added a little vitriol himself. There have been hundreds of books written on Hitler that use his direct quotes and those of his closest allys and his fundamental atheism is not in doubt. Even his anti semitism is questionable as there was a instance where Rheinhard Heydrich (head of the Sicherheistdienst) presented a list of generals who were of Jewish blood and Hitler tore the list up and said "I'll tell you who is Jewish and who is not" before turning on his heel and walking away.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Skip right over that Japanese and Italian thing did ya?

You made the claim hitler hated the Muslims. Maybe, he did but I am sure he also didn't mind using them

He didn't mind using the Japanese and Italians either. If he won WWII..he would have rolled both those countries in a heart beat.

Muslims even today have a great respect for hitler.

 

[westwall]

You made the claim hitler hated the Muslims. Maybe, he did but I am sure he also didn't mind using them

He didn't mind using the Japanese and Italians either. If he won WWII..he would have rolled both those countries in a heart beat.

Muslims even today have a great respect for hitler.

True, Hans Ulrich Rudel of "Stuka Pilot" fame lived out his life in Syria post war.

 

[Sallow]

You do realise that Mein Kampf was a piece of propaganda right? He wrote what the people wanted to hear and added a little vitriol himself. There have been hundreds of books written on Hitler that use his direct quotes and those of his closest allys and his fundamental atheism is not in doubt. Even his anti semitism is questionable as there was a instance where Rheinhard Heydrich (head of the Sicherheistdienst) presented a list of generals who were of Jewish blood and Hitler tore the list up and said "I'll tell you who is Jewish and who is not" before turning on his heel and walking away.

Sure..doesn't change the fact that Hitler was a Christian..or at least his "brand" of Christianity. And it doesn't change the fact that the people of Germany were Christian..or that Europe had been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. I always find it interesting when people pick and choose Historical Christians. Casting off the villians and embracing the heroes.

He wasn't an "Atheist", he believed in a higher power..destiny and superstition. He was baptized a Roman Catholic and mixed and matched norse mythology with christianity..which by the way is not unusual. Many cultures do that.

 

[Sallow]

You made the claim hitler hated the Muslims. Maybe, he did but I am sure he also didn't mind using them

He didn't mind using the Japanese and Italians either. If he won WWII..he would have rolled both those countries in a heart beat.

Muslims even today have a great respect for hitler.

There are some Jews and a great many Christians that have a great "respect" for Hitler.

What's your point?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He didn't mind using the Japanese and Italians either. If he won WWII..he would have rolled both those countries in a heart beat.

Muslims even today have a great respect for hitler.

There are some Jews and a great many Christians that have a great "respect" for Hitler.

What's your point?

I have links to prove my point do you have any for your point?

 

[Annie]

You do realise that Mein Kampf was a piece of propaganda right? He wrote what the people wanted to hear and added a little vitriol himself. There have been hundreds of books written on Hitler that use his direct quotes and those of his closest allys and his fundamental atheism is not in doubt. Even his anti semitism is questionable as there was a instance where Rheinhard Heydrich (head of the Sicherheistdienst) presented a list of generals who were of Jewish blood and Hitler tore the list up and said "I'll tell you who is Jewish and who is not" before turning on his heel and walking away.

Sure..doesn't change the fact that Hitler was a Christian..or at least his "brand" of Christianity. And it doesn't change the fact that the people of Germany were Christian..or that Europe's had been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. I always find it interesting when people pick and choose Historical Christians. Casting off the villians and embracing the heroes.

He wasn't an "Atheist", he believed in a higher power..destiny and superstition. He was baptized a Roman Catholic and mixed and matched norse mythology with christianity..which by the way is not unusual. Many cultures do that.

Not by a long shot was he a christian. Baptism alone doesn't make one a Catholic or Christian. He'd been raised to be an omnivore, yet ended up a vegetarian. So much for home.

 

[Sallow]

You do realise that Mein Kampf was a piece of propaganda right? He wrote what the people wanted to hear and added a little vitriol himself. There have been hundreds of books written on Hitler that use his direct quotes and those of his closest allys and his fundamental atheism is not in doubt. Even his anti semitism is questionable as there was a instance where Rheinhard Heydrich (head of the Sicherheistdienst) presented a list of generals who were of Jewish blood and Hitler tore the list up and said "I'll tell you who is Jewish and who is not" before turning on his heel and walking away.

Sure..doesn't change the fact that Hitler was a Christian..or at least his "brand" of Christianity. And it doesn't change the fact that the people of Germany were Christian..or that Europe's had been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. I always find it interesting when people pick and choose Historical Christians. Casting off the villians and embracing the heroes.

He wasn't an "Atheist", he believed in a higher power..destiny and superstition. He was baptized a Roman Catholic and mixed and matched norse mythology with christianity..which by the way is not unusual. Many cultures do that.

Not by a long shot was he a christian. Baptism alone doesn't make one a Catholic or Christian. He'd been raised to be an omnivore, yet ended up a vegetarian. So much for home.

Sure he was. Very much so. And he was carrying out the work of Christians. Which was ridding Europe of Jews. The Spanish Inquistion did very much the same thing.

 

[westwall]

You do realise that Mein Kampf was a piece of propaganda right? He wrote what the people wanted to hear and added a little vitriol himself. There have been hundreds of books written on Hitler that use his direct quotes and those of his closest allys and his fundamental atheism is not in doubt. Even his anti semitism is questionable as there was a instance where Rheinhard Heydrich (head of the Sicherheistdienst) presented a list of generals who were of Jewish blood and Hitler tore the list up and said "I'll tell you who is Jewish and who is not" before turning on his heel and walking away.

Sure..doesn't change the fact that Hitler was a Christian..or at least his "brand" of Christianity. And it doesn't change the fact that the people of Germany were Christian..or that Europe had been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. I always find it interesting when people pick and choose Historical Christians. Casting off the villians and embracing the heroes.

He wasn't an "Atheist", he believed in a higher power..destiny and superstition. He was baptized a Roman Catholic and mixed and matched norse mythology with christianity..which by the way is not unusual. Many cultures do that.

He was born a Catholic but probably never stepped foot in a church after he left home. The Norse mythology came from Himmler not Hitler and once again, you read the propaganda and take it as gospel. You do realise that just because someone calls themselves emperor doesn't really make them so right? I hope you can understand the origin of my metaphor.

 

[westwall]

Sure..doesn't change the fact that Hitler was a Christian..or at least his "brand" of Christianity. And it doesn't change the fact that the people of Germany were Christian..or that Europe's had been trying to purge itself of Jews for quite some time. I always find it interesting when people pick and choose Historical Christians. Casting off the villians and embracing the heroes.

He wasn't an "Atheist", he believed in a higher power..destiny and superstition. He was baptized a Roman Catholic and mixed and matched norse mythology with christianity..which by the way is not unusual. Many cultures do that.

Not by a long shot was he a christian. Baptism alone doesn't make one a Catholic or Christian. He'd been raised to be an omnivore, yet ended up a vegetarian. So much for home.

Sure he was. Very much so. And he was carrying out the work of Christians. Which was ridding Europe of Jews. The Spanish Inquistion did very much the same thing.

Wow, this is very instructive of your particular personality disorder. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Sallow]

Not by a long shot was he a christian. Baptism alone doesn't make one a Catholic or Christian. He'd been raised to be an omnivore, yet ended up a vegetarian. So much for home.

Sure he was. Very much so. And he was carrying out the work of Christians. Which was ridding Europe of Jews. The Spanish Inquistion did very much the same thing.

Wow, this is very instructive of your particular personality disorder. Thanks for the heads up.

Listen chief..you don't like the history..fine..no need for personal insults.

And unless you deal with history..squarely...without revision..you never move forward. Even Pope John Paul apologized for Christianity's "mis-steps" against Judiasm.

We are seeing some of the same sort of behavior these days..demonizing people of a certain religion and ethnicity..and it's not pretty.

I don't go around mapping Nazis to anyone..casually..as the OP did. I hate Nazis. And I am not condemning Christianity..there have been some positive movements from people that follow that religion. As with many other religions. There is nothing positive about Nazis. They were vile, cruel and wickedly efficient in what they did.

But I do not ever want to see this country become a theocracy..or start going after people because of their race, ethnicity or religion.

Evoking Hitler for cheap points is vile.

And remembering exactly what he was is important.

 

[westwall]

Sure he was. Very much so. And he was carrying out the work of Christians. Which was ridding Europe of Jews. The Spanish Inquistion did very much the same thing.

Wow, this is very instructive of your particular personality disorder. Thanks for the heads up.

Listen chief..you don't like the history..fine..no need for personal insults.

And unless you deal with history..squarely...without revision..you never move forward. Even Pope John Paul apologized for Christianity's "mis-steps" against Judiasm.

We are seeing some of the same sort of behavior these days..demonizing people of a certain religion and ethnicity..and it's not pretty.

I don't go around mapping Nazis to anyone..casually..as the OP did. I hate Nazis. And I am not condemning Christianity..there have been some positive movements from people that follow that religion. As with many other religions. There is nothing positive about Nazis. They were vile, cruel and wickedly efficient in what they did.

But I do not ever want to see this country become a theocracy..or start going after people because of their race, ethnicity or religion.

Evoking Hitler for cheap points is vile.

And remembering exactly what he was is important.

I hate to tell you but I'm not a "Christian" I am an agnostic however your contention in that last statement you made very clearly places you in the I need look no further than the end of my nose camp. This last comment you made is on point but the one I referenced did not. Absolutely did not. In fact it made you look like a loon.

Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews any more than Islam preaches that all Muslims should go out and kill all infidel. There are small subsets of those groups who pervert their respective religions to mean whatever it is they wish it to say for their own enrichment or consolidation of power. Your sweeping generalisations are more vile than evoking Nazism and Hitler. Especially when they are evoked for the correct reasons.

I agree with you that I don't want to see this country turn into a theocracy nor do I wish to see it debased into a form of European socialism. Our country went further faster than any other before it because the people were free to live their lives as they see fit for the most part.

Have there been problems? Of course, show me one country where there havn't been problems. However, this country is the only one where class, or education, or wealth were not preconditions for success.

You often make some good salient points but then you fall off into some little realm of your own where you completely lose it. I will wager I have probably read far more books on Nazi Germany than you ever will. I have also lived in the country for great lengths of time and studied in the Bundesarchiv with the actual documents (for my minor) and one thing stands out. Hitler did the things he did for Hitler. The German people were merely the instrument he used for his own personal gain.

 

[Sallow]

Wow, this is very instructive of your particular personality disorder. Thanks for the heads up.

Listen chief..you don't like the history..fine..no need for personal insults.

And unless you deal with history..squarely...without revision..you never move forward. Even Pope John Paul apologized for Christianity's "mis-steps" against Judiasm.

We are seeing some of the same sort of behavior these days..demonizing people of a certain religion and ethnicity..and it's not pretty.

I don't go around mapping Nazis to anyone..casually..as the OP did. I hate Nazis. And I am not condemning Christianity..there have been some positive movements from people that follow that religion. As with many other religions. There is nothing positive about Nazis. They were vile, cruel and wickedly efficient in what they did.

But I do not ever want to see this country become a theocracy..or start going after people because of their race, ethnicity or religion.

Evoking Hitler for cheap points is vile.

And remembering exactly what he was is important.

I hate to tell you but I'm not a "Christian" I am an agnostic however your contention in that last statement you made very clearly places you in the I need look no further than the end of my nose camp. This last comment you made is on point but the one I referenced did not. Absolutely did not. In fact it made you look like a loon.

Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews any more than Islam preaches that all Muslims should go out and kill all infidel. There are small subsets of those groups who pervert their respective religions to mean whatever it is they wish it to say for their own enrichment or consolidation of power. Your sweeping generalisations are more vile than evoking Nazism and Hitler. Especially when they are evoked for the correct reasons.

I agree with you that I don't want to see this country turn into a theocracy nor do I wish to see it debased into a form of European socialism. Our country went further faster than any other before it because the people were free to live their lives as they see fit for the most part.

Have there been problems? Of course, show me one country where there havn't been problems. However, this country is the only one where class, or education, or wealth were not preconditions for success.

You often make some good salient points but then you fall off into some little realm of your own where you completely lose it. I will wager I have probably read far more books on Nazi Germany than you ever will. I have also lived in the country for great lengths of time and studied in the Bundesarchiv with the actual documents (for my minor) and one thing stands out. Hitler did the things he did for Hitler. The German people were merely the instrument he used for his own personal gain.

Whatever chief.

It's laughable when you come out with something like "Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews" when in fact until very recently..it did.

Over the last couple of decades..there's been a big Kumbya fest between the two religions, but I haved lived through something very different. So has my family. My great uncle, in Long Island no less, had a group of fine young men burn a cross on his lawn. So I could care less about revisionist books. The Nazi movement was drawn from a long line of Christian movements against Judiasm. Some of it even got carried over to this country.

All religions have some screwed up crap about it..one way or another. And denying that..really is foolish and naive.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Listen chief..you don't like the history..fine..no need for personal insults.

And unless you deal with history..squarely...without revision..you never move forward. Even Pope John Paul apologized for Christianity's "mis-steps" against Judiasm.

We are seeing some of the same sort of behavior these days..demonizing people of a certain religion and ethnicity..and it's not pretty.

I don't go around mapping Nazis to anyone..casually..as the OP did. I hate Nazis. And I am not condemning Christianity..there have been some positive movements from people that follow that religion. As with many other religions. There is nothing positive about Nazis. They were vile, cruel and wickedly efficient in what they did.

But I do not ever want to see this country become a theocracy..or start going after people because of their race, ethnicity or religion.

Evoking Hitler for cheap points is vile.

And remembering exactly what he was is important.

I hate to tell you but I'm not a "Christian" I am an agnostic however your contention in that last statement you made very clearly places you in the I need look no further than the end of my nose camp. This last comment you made is on point but the one I referenced did not. Absolutely did not. In fact it made you look like a loon.

Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews any more than Islam preaches that all Muslims should go out and kill all infidel. There are small subsets of those groups who pervert their respective religions to mean whatever it is they wish it to say for their own enrichment or consolidation of power. Your sweeping generalisations are more vile than evoking Nazism and Hitler. Especially when they are evoked for the correct reasons.

I agree with you that I don't want to see this country turn into a theocracy nor do I wish to see it debased into a form of European socialism. Our country went further faster than any other before it because the people were free to live their lives as they see fit for the most part.

Have there been problems? Of course, show me one country where there havn't been problems. However, this country is the only one where class, or education, or wealth were not preconditions for success.

You often make some good salient points but then you fall off into some little realm of your own where you completely lose it. I will wager I have probably read far more books on Nazi Germany than you ever will. I have also lived in the country for great lengths of time and studied in the Bundesarchiv with the actual documents (for my minor) and one thing stands out. Hitler did the things he did for Hitler. The German people were merely the instrument he used for his own personal gain.

Whatever chief.

It's laughable when you come out with something like "Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews" when in fact until very recently..it did.

Over the last couple of decades..there's been a big Kumbya fest between the two religions, but I haved lived through something very different. So has my family. My great uncle, in Long Island no less, had a group of fine young men burn a cross on his lawn. So I could care less about revisionist books. The Nazi movement was drawn from a long line of Christian movements against Judiasm. Some of it even got carried over to this country.

All religions have some screwed up crap about it..one way or another. And denying that..really is foolish and naive.

It's laughable when you come out with something like "Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews" when in fact until very recently..it did.

Can you give a time table to your opinion?

 

[westwall]

Listen chief..you don't like the history..fine..no need for personal insults.

And unless you deal with history..squarely...without revision..you never move forward. Even Pope John Paul apologized for Christianity's "mis-steps" against Judiasm.

We are seeing some of the same sort of behavior these days..demonizing people of a certain religion and ethnicity..and it's not pretty.

I don't go around mapping Nazis to anyone..casually..as the OP did. I hate Nazis. And I am not condemning Christianity..there have been some positive movements from people that follow that religion. As with many other religions. There is nothing positive about Nazis. They were vile, cruel and wickedly efficient in what they did.

But I do not ever want to see this country become a theocracy..or start going after people because of their race, ethnicity or religion.

Evoking Hitler for cheap points is vile.

And remembering exactly what he was is important.

I hate to tell you but I'm not a "Christian" I am an agnostic however your contention in that last statement you made very clearly places you in the I need look no further than the end of my nose camp. This last comment you made is on point but the one I referenced did not. Absolutely did not. In fact it made you look like a loon.

Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews any more than Islam preaches that all Muslims should go out and kill all infidel. There are small subsets of those groups who pervert their respective religions to mean whatever it is they wish it to say for their own enrichment or consolidation of power. Your sweeping generalisations are more vile than evoking Nazism and Hitler. Especially when they are evoked for the correct reasons.

I agree with you that I don't want to see this country turn into a theocracy nor do I wish to see it debased into a form of European socialism. Our country went further faster than any other before it because the people were free to live their lives as they see fit for the most part.

Have there been problems? Of course, show me one country where there havn't been problems. However, this country is the only one where class, or education, or wealth were not preconditions for success.

You often make some good salient points but then you fall off into some little realm of your own where you completely lose it. I will wager I have probably read far more books on Nazi Germany than you ever will. I have also lived in the country for great lengths of time and studied in the Bundesarchiv with the actual documents (for my minor) and one thing stands out. Hitler did the things he did for Hitler. The German people were merely the instrument he used for his own personal gain.

Whatever chief.

It's laughable when you come out with something like "Christianity does not preach to go out and kill Jews" when in fact until very recently..it did.

Over the last couple of decades..there's been a big Kumbya fest between the two religions, but I haved lived through something very different. So has my family. My great uncle, in Long Island no less, had a group of fine young men burn a cross on his lawn. So I could care less about revisionist books. The Nazi movement was drawn from a long line of Christian movements against Judiasm. Some of it even got carried over to this country.

All religions have some screwed up crap about it..one way or another. And denying that..really is foolish and naive.

I thank you for the effort to use my proper honorific but I prefer "Maximum Leader" please use that in all future postings to me!

I have never denied that religions have issues (why do you think I'm an agnostic?) however once again your blanket statements do you no good. I have been friends with the Stolorof family for decades and they are ancient money Jews who escaped from the Soviet takeover of their country in 1919. Much of what you say was true all the way into the early to mid 1800's but their experience has been far different. Obviously having great wealth helps a whole hell of a lot but they worked closely with the Catholic church and the Russian Orthodox Church, prior to their escape, and never experienced the "kill all Jews" mantra you are espousing.

The KKK still exists too and they claim that they are Christian but no Christian organization and no Christians in general will have anything to do with them. Just like the IRGUN (I believe Rahm Emanuals father or grandfather was a member) and the Stern gang in the British Mandate of Palestine prior to the creation of Israel. They were terrorists and ostensibly fighting for Jewish independance and yet the vast majority of Jews distance themselves from those groups as they were the extremists. The Haganah on the other hand is revered while references to the other two groups is dificult to obtain for the most part.

We are not talking about revisionist history here, we are talking about well known history if you choose to read it. Hitler was a sociopath. He was quite happy to use whatever he could to advance his power and he would lie cheat steal and murder to do it. Have you ever heard of the Stosstrupe Adolph Hitler? It was a group of thugs (basically) numbering around 12 who were his personal bodyguard during the openng phases of his NSDAP takover of power (this is prior to the Munich Putsch). One of the members of this elite group was a Jew. If you can find a better quality image of the one below you will see a pair of boots but no person above them. The picture was retouched after around 1933 to remove the Jewish man (who's name escapes me) who was a member of this most elite group of Nazi thugs. That was done by order of the Party not Hitler.