Hitler actually deregulated guns

[regent]

Yup, ironic.

Guess Eisenhower didn't want any insurgencies.


Joe's arguments crumble on a regular basis.

Or that he realized that the DEMOCRATIC society we were trying to build in Germany after the war didn't require every yahoo to have a gun.

If you aren't a soldier or a policeman, you don't need a gun.

You might WANT a gun, but you don't need a gun.

Incidently, as Right Wing nuts pointed out in the Bush years, Ike did have to deal with an insurgency. One he rather effectively put down. So the whole notion that you guys can take on armies with your saturday night special is just as silly now as it was then.

The reason for the 2nd Amendment is because government cannot be trusted. That is why the framers put it in the Constitution. Germany is a prime example of why you need a 2nd Amendment, but you're not smart enough to figure that out.

Why did the writers put that reason in the second amendment instead of the need for a militia?

 

[USNavyVet]

Or that he realized that the DEMOCRATIC society we were trying to build in Germany after the war didn't require every yahoo to have a gun.

If you aren't a soldier or a policeman, you don't need a gun.

You might WANT a gun, but you don't need a gun.

Incidently, as Right Wing nuts pointed out in the Bush years, Ike did have to deal with an insurgency. One he rather effectively put down. So the whole notion that you guys can take on armies with your saturday night special is just as silly now as it was then.

The reason for the 2nd Amendment is because government cannot be trusted. That is why the framers put it in the Constitution. Germany is a prime example of why you need a 2nd Amendment, but you're not smart enough to figure that out.

Why did the writers put that reason in the second amendment instead of the need for a militia?

Try reading The Federalist Papers for insight into the Constitution.

 

[thanatos144]

Great article. I especially liked this bit, that exposes the basic retardation of rightwingnutters:

The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

Why yes your circular logic overides that Hitler disarmed the very ones he attempted to exterminate.

He "attempted to exterminate? I hope this was inadvertent and you don't deny the Holocaust too.

He didnt kill all the Jews did he? So attempted is proper.

 

[JoeB131]

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It's not about "guts" it's about belief. President Obama believes Americans have the right to own firearms. Which gets lost in the hyperbole. He's a moderate.

But you are right about one thing, he doesn't have the same sort of tenacity that Bush had when pursuing an agenda. He also doesn't have a pack of rabid radicals like the PNAC folks backing him up. Iraq was a pretty brilliant example of that. They latched on to an unconnected crisis and built a story around it to get something that was, on it's face, ludicrous, but became more pausible as the narrative was retold. And they were also able to effectively demonize the opposition to the invasion, and did so in a very effective manner.

Obama isn't going to "go there".

The Democrats were just as hot to get Saddam as the Republicans were, and you didn't vote out one of your own for supporting the war. Not even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) at the end of the day.

The guy you did hound out of office? Linc Chaffee, the only guy to vote against the Iraq war on the GOP side.

And since Bush's wars became Obama's wars, you all have stuck Cindy Sheehan in the closet like a crazy aunt.

The good thing I will say about Obama is that he's a grown up on security issues. He didn't let Code Pink dictate military policy.

 

[mudwhistle]

Why yes your circular logic overides that Hitler disarmed the very ones he attempted to exterminate.

He "attempted to exterminate? I hope this was inadvertent and you don't deny the Holocaust too.

He didnt kill all the Jews did he? So attempted is proper.

Hitler was saying to himself; "So little time.....so many Jews".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FrancoWtF is conferring with Cammpbelll at the HQ of the Liberal Intellectual Elite

Franco: Maybe playing the Hitler card was not such a great idea

Camppppbelll: Grape Jell-o? Again?

 

[JoeB131]

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The reason for the 2nd Amendment is because government cannot be trusted. That is why the framers put it in the Constitution. Germany is a prime example of why you need a 2nd Amendment, but you're not smart enough to figure that out.

Germany had plenty of guns and Hitler actually relaxed the gun laws... and Hitler came to power anyway.

In fact, those Germans, who had plenty of guns until Ike took them away didn't rise up against Hitler. They fought for him to nearly the last man standing.

Fact of the matter is, the retarded "I needs my guns so I can fights the gummit" is pretty much retarded.

The government will always have bigger guns, more guns and will be better with them.

 

[regent]

The reason for the 2nd Amendment is because government cannot be trusted. That is why the framers put it in the Constitution. Germany is a prime example of why you need a 2nd Amendment, but you're not smart enough to figure that out.

Why did the writers put that reason in the second amendment instead of the need for a militia?

Try reading The Federalist Papers for insight into the Constitution.

The Federalist Papers are interesting, but only letters to the editior with the opinions of the writers. The amendments are law.

 

[USNavyVet]

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The reason for the 2nd Amendment is because government cannot be trusted. That is why the framers put it in the Constitution. Germany is a prime example of why you need a 2nd Amendment, but you're not smart enough to figure that out.

Germany had plenty of guns and Hitler actually relaxed the gun laws... and Hitler came to power anyway.

In fact, those Germans, who had plenty of guns until Ike took them away didn't rise up against Hitler. They fought for him to nearly the last man standing.

Fact of the matter is, the retarded "I needs my guns so I can fights the gummit" is pretty much retarded.

The government will always have bigger guns, more guns and will be better with them.

You can think it's retarded all you want but you obviously missed the part in history classd where they talked about how America won it's independance from England.

 

[USNavyVet]

Why did the writers put that reason in the second amendment instead of the need for a militia?

Try reading The Federalist Papers for insight into the Constitution.

The Federalist Papers are interesting, but only letters to the editior with the opinions of the writers. The amendments are law.

Ah so you didn't understand the Papers. Interesting.

 

[hazlnut]

Another NRA myth exposed

The Hitler gun control lie - Salon.com

A-aaaaahhhhh


Facts!!!!



Run!!!!

The gun cultists hate these things we call FACTS.

 

[JoeB131]

Yup, ironic.

Guess Eisenhower didn't want any insurgencies.


Joe's arguments crumble on a regular basis.

Or that he realized that the DEMOCRATIC society we were trying to build in Germany after the war didn't require every yahoo to have a gun.

If you aren't a soldier or a policeman, you don't need a gun.

You might WANT a gun, but you don't need a gun.

Incidently, as Right Wing nuts pointed out in the Bush years, Ike did have to deal with an insurgency. One he rather effectively put down. So the whole notion that you guys can take on armies with your saturday night special is just as silly now as it was then.

I see your desperation growing as your argument falls apart.

No, what I see is a lame argument.

Widespread proliferation of guns did not stop Hitler from coming to power or staying in power. The Germans had plenty of guns, but they went along with whatever Hitler wanted to do. Oh, when Germany started losing, the Army made a few half-ass attempts to kill him.

Meanwhile, after the war, Germany had all their guns taken away, and they are a vibrant democracy today. They had 248 gun murders last year compared to our 11,000. They only lock up 78,000 of their citizens compared to the 2 million we feel compelled to lock up.

Gun ownership =/= the ability to retain democracy.

Because at the end of the day, no government survives without the tacit consent of its people. Not even the really bad ones.

 

[thanatos144]

Why did the writers put that reason in the second amendment instead of the need for a militia?

Try reading The Federalist Papers for insight into the Constitution.

The Federalist Papers are interesting, but only letters to the editior with the opinions of the writers. The amendments are law.

Your an idiot. They were made and published so the American people could see the discussion.

 

[hazlnut]

I love that they're so stupid, they can't even misuse Hitler's name right.

 

[mudwhistle]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XcyLeOm6yGc]Biden and his Beretta - YouTube[/ame]

 

[thanatos144]

Okay tell me oh great and wise progressives....Did Hitler confiscate guns from Jews?

 

[USNavyVet]

Try reading The Federalist Papers for insight into the Constitution.

The Federalist Papers are interesting, but only letters to the editior with the opinions of the writers. The amendments are law.

Your an idiot. They were made and published so the American people could see the discussion.

Actually they were published to sway the state of New York to vote for the Constitution instead of sticking with the confederacy. NY was seen as a swing state back then.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay tell me oh great and wise progressives....Did Hitler confiscate guns from Jews?

Same reason he took their property, their money and their lives.

He hated them.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama is a master at division.

He's not a leader. He is an instigator.

He keeps us at each other's throats and uses each issue or crisis as a political tool to get what he wants.

We're fighting over gun-ownership while we should be dealing with the debt or any number of other more important issues.

He's a low-life who believes that deception will get whatever he wants and so far it has worked.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Okay tell me oh great and wise progressives....Did Hitler confiscate guns from Jews?

Same reason he took their property, their money and their lives.

He hated them.

He called them "The enemy" right?

He blamed them for having money, right?