Hitler actually deregulated guns

[OohPooPahDoo]

So one professor claims to side with the left, so naturally the left clings to the theory as gospel truth.

The gun laws were already in place, however 1938 made it tougher for select groups to have guns, while not deregulating but lowering some restrictions on his favored groups, which were militia and supportive of Hitler's regime, giving those who loved Hitler and his plans the ability to help Hitler accomplish his goals.

So he didn't deregulate, he just used his power to grant favoritism.

Oh well, since you say so, it must be true. I'm certainly going to trust some random anonymous idiot on a message board over one of these stuffy "professor" types with their stupid turtlenecks.

 

[mudwhistle]

"The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general."

And Liberals defend it

They destroy their own arguments with their own words and don't even know it. That is why the term "libtards" is so appropriate.

The argument that Hitler made guns illegal ISN'T OUR ARGUMENT you fucking ignorant twit. Its the NRA's argument and it is FACTUALLY WRONG.

I don't think making guns illegal is Obama's goal. He's signed a bill making sure he has armed protection for the rest of his life. His goal is to make sure that nobody but the right folks have weapons. He will allow police and security guards the right to have weapons but private ownership is what he's after.

 

[hjmick]

Its MY THREAD you fucking MORON

And it sucks big hairy donkey dicks...

 

[USNavyVet]

The argument that Hitler made guns illegal ISN'T OUR ARGUMENT you fucking ignorant twit. Its the NRA's argument and it is FACTUALLY WRONG.

You're dismissed you dipshit troll.

Its MY THREAD you fucking MORON

so you troll and try to derail your own threads? How nice, you dipshit troll.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Now you Libberhoids are defending Hitler?

We're saying Hitler DEREGULATED guns.

Since we're in favor of gun regulation - how the hell is that DEFENDING Hitler?

Are you seriously this stupid?

Really?

Maybe instead you should spend your time playing with big motorcycles and confederate battle jacks? Stop wasting ours.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Its MY THREAD you fucking MORON

And it sucks big hairy donkey dicks...

Are you such a big loser that you like spending time in threads you think suck? Fuck, no one is forcing you to post or read this thread. Do you just like to whine and bitch?

 

[Papageorgio]

These far right nutbags don't care about the facts, they just want an excuse to call the President of the United States a Nazi.

Hitler is rolling over in his grave over the comparison, I'm sure.

What facts Sea? You talk a lot about facts but you seem to go with whatever article fits your agenda. The fact is Hitler kept the same gun laws as previous regimes and granted favored status to certain favored people in his country and made it tougher on groups he deemed bad, such as Jews, homosexuals and certain religious sects that would not conform.

 

[Papageorgio]

The argument that Hitler made guns illegal ISN'T OUR ARGUMENT you fucking ignorant twit. Its the NRA's argument and it is FACTUALLY WRONG.

You're dismissed you dipshit troll.

Its MY THREAD you fucking MORON

Doesn't mean you can't be a dipshit troll.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

They destroy their own arguments with their own words and don't even know it. That is why the term "libtards" is so appropriate.

The argument that Hitler made guns illegal ISN'T OUR ARGUMENT you fucking ignorant twit. Its the NRA's argument and it is FACTUALLY WRONG.

I don't think making guns illegal is Obama's goal. He's signed a bill making sure he has armed protection for the rest of his life. His goal is to make sure that nobody but the right folks have weapons. He will allow police and security guards the right to have weapons but private ownership is what he's after.

really? show us where he proposes banning private ownership of all firearms. thanks!

 

[Seawytch]

These far right nutbags don't care about the facts, they just want an excuse to call the President of the United States a Nazi.

Hitler is rolling over in his grave over the comparison, I'm sure.

What facts Sea? You talk a lot about facts but you seem to go with whatever article fits your agenda. The fact is Hitler kept the same gun laws as previous regimes and granted favored status to certain favored people in his country and made it tougher on groups he deemed bad, such as Jews, homosexuals and certain religious sects that would not conform.

Really? What facts? How about the simple fact that comparing sensible gun legislation to Hitler and the Nazis is ludicrous? That fact.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Wow 4 pages in only a few minutes. clearly anything that challenges NRA dogma touches a nerve

 

[Papageorgio]

So one professor claims to side with the left, so naturally the left clings to the theory as gospel truth.

The gun laws were already in place, however 1938 made it tougher for select groups to have guns, while not deregulating but lowering some restrictions on his favored groups, which were militia and supportive of Hitler's regime, giving those who loved Hitler and his plans the ability to help Hitler accomplish his goals.

So he didn't deregulate, he just used his power to grant favoritism.

Oh well, since you say so, it must be true. I'm certainly going to trust some random anonymous idiot on a message board over one of these stuffy "professor" types with their stupid turtlenecks.

I don't expect you to trust anything anyone posts on a board. But I would go research the facts before jumping on to any theory that supports an agenda.

Just as I wouldn't trust Salon as a legit source of news and truth, which you seem really stupid and quick to do.

 

[007]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemingly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and prosperity instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy their system under all conditions." -- Adolf Hitler, Progressive

Hitler said that? Sounds a lot more like obama. Well, they are hard to tell apart, and now that his supporters are defending Hitler, ya, obama - Hitler, not much difference.

See my avatar.

 

[007]

The argument that Hitler made guns illegal ISN'T OUR ARGUMENT you fucking ignorant twit. Its the NRA's argument and it is FACTUALLY WRONG.

I don't think making guns illegal is Obama's goal. He's signed a bill making sure he has armed protection for the rest of his life. His goal is to make sure that nobody but the right folks have weapons. He will allow police and security guards the right to have weapons but private ownership is what he's after.

really? show us where he proposes banning private ownership of all firearms. thanks!

You really love Hitler don't you?

 

[Sallow]

Another NRA myth exposed

The Hitler gun control lie - Salon.com

The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

Besides, Omer Bartov, a historian at Brown University who studies the Third Reich, notes that the Jews probably wouldn’t have had much success fighting back. “Just imagine the Jews of Germany exercising the right to bear arms and fighting the SA, SS and the Wehrmacht. The [Russian] Red Army lost 7 million men fighting the Wehrmacht, despite its tanks and planes and artillery. The Jews with pistols and shotguns would have done better?” he told Salon.

Proponents of the theory sometimes point to the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising as evidence that, as Fox News’ Judge Andrew Napolitano put it, “those able to hold onto their arms and their basic right to self-defense were much more successful in resisting the Nazi genocide.” But as the Tablet’s Michael Moynihan points out, Napolitano’s history (curiously based on a citation of work by French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson) is a bit off. In reality, only about 20 Germans were killed, while some 13,000 Jews were massacred. The remaining 50,000 who survived were promptly sent off to concentration camps.

Robert Spitzer, a political scientist who studies gun politics and chairs the political science department at SUNY Cortland, told Mother Jones’ Gavin Aronsen that the prohibition on Jewish gun ownership was merely a symptom, not the problem itself. “[It] wasn’t the defining moment that marked the beginning of the end for Jewish people in Germany. It was because they were persecuted, were deprived of all of their rights, and they were a minority group,” he explained.

Meanwhile, much of the Hitler myth is based on an infamous quote falsely attributed to the Fuhrer, which extols the virtue of gun control:


This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!

The quote has been widely reproduced in blog posts and opinion columns about gun control, but it’s “probably a fraud and was likely never uttered,” according to Harcourt. “This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date often given [1935] has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been any need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect,” researchers at the useful website GunCite note.

“As for Stalin,” Bartov continued, “the very idea of either gun control or the freedom to bear arms would have been absurd to him. His regime used violence on a vast scale, provided arms to thugs of all descriptions, and stripped not guns but any human image from those it declared to be its enemies. And then, when it needed them, as in WWII, it took millions of men out of the Gulags, trained and armed them and sent them to fight Hitler, only to send back the few survivors into the camps if they uttered any criticism of the regime.”

Bartov added that this misreading of history is not only intellectually dishonest, but also dangerous. “I happen to have been a combat soldier and officer in the Israeli Defense Forces and I know what these assault rifles can do,” he said in an email.

He continued: “Their assertion that they need these guns to protect themselves from the government — as supposedly the Jews would have done against the Hitler regime — means not only that they are innocent of any knowledge and understanding of the past, but also that they are consciously or not imbued with the type of fascist or Bolshevik thinking that they can turn against a democratically elected government, indeed turn their guns on it, just because they don’t like its policies, its ideology, or the color, race and origin of its leaders.”



Alex Seitz-Wald is Salon's political reporter. Email him at [email protected], and follow him on Twitter @aseitzwald. More Alex Seitz-Wald.

In a nutshell Hitler took guns away from people he didn't like, like the Jews and Communists.

 

[Papageorgio]

These far right nutbags don't care about the facts, they just want an excuse to call the President of the United States a Nazi.

Hitler is rolling over in his grave over the comparison, I'm sure.

What facts Sea? You talk a lot about facts but you seem to go with whatever article fits your agenda. The fact is Hitler kept the same gun laws as previous regimes and granted favored status to certain favored people in his country and made it tougher on groups he deemed bad, such as Jews, homosexuals and certain religious sects that would not conform.

Really? What facts? How about the simple fact that comparing sensible gun legislation to Hitler and the Nazis is ludicrous? That fact.

The fact you jump to a story and treat it as fact with no real knowledge of Hitler and his regime. He came into power under a strict gun regime he didn't total deregulate as many liberals are seeming to suggest because of this one article. The fact is he regulated tougher laws for some and softer laws for others.

I have never made the gun control, Hitler connection. The laws were already in place and were a bad idea, it left its citizens powerless against any tyrant.

Hitler would have done whatever he needed to do to stay in power.

 

[mudwhistle]

The argument that Hitler made guns illegal ISN'T OUR ARGUMENT you fucking ignorant twit. Its the NRA's argument and it is FACTUALLY WRONG.

I don't think making guns illegal is Obama's goal. He's signed a bill making sure he has armed protection for the rest of his life. His goal is to make sure that nobody but the right folks have weapons. He will allow police and security guards the right to have weapons but private ownership is what he's after.

really? show us where he proposes banning private ownership of all firearms. thanks!

Obama doesn't let us know until it's already law. Cass Sunstein has already written the regulations. Obama is simply waiting for the right time to put into effect. It may not be a outright ban but some form of tax or requirement that makes it impossible to own a gun if you live anywhere near a school or a place where children are. We don't know in what form it will come.

They've been thinking about this for years. This is what Fast & Furious was all about. Obama has said in the past he doesn't believe in private gun ownership and I think he's just cocky enough to try making it happen and he thinks now he has the excuse. Problem is nothing he does will stop mass-murder. That's impossible. He just wants to take our guns. He won't come out and say it till it's too late to do anything about it.

 

[JoeB131]

Ironcially, the guy who imposed gun control on Germany...

Dwight D. Eisenhower after the war.

 

[Sallow]

What facts Sea? You talk a lot about facts but you seem to go with whatever article fits your agenda. The fact is Hitler kept the same gun laws as previous regimes and granted favored status to certain favored people in his country and made it tougher on groups he deemed bad, such as Jews, homosexuals and certain religious sects that would not conform.

Really? What facts? How about the simple fact that comparing sensible gun legislation to Hitler and the Nazis is ludicrous? That fact.

The fact you jump to a story and treat it as fact with no real knowledge of Hitler and his regime. He came into power under a strict gun regime he didn't total deregulate as many liberals are seeming to suggest because of this one article. The fact is he regulated tougher laws for some and softer laws for others.

I have never made the gun control, Hitler connection. The laws were already in place and were a bad idea, it left its citizens powerless against any tyrant.

Hitler would have done whatever he needed to do to stay in power.

It's a pretty much a myth to think that "private citizens" can overthrow a tyrant. This is done by a popular movement and then basically with patronage from another country.

Our own revolution probably would not have succeeded without help from France.

 

[regent]

I have a few friends with guns, lots of guns, and when I visit them they delight in showing me their new and old weapons. I find it quite boring but after a time I wonder what they find so fascinating about guns, is it the workmanship, or what? What do some gun owners find so lovable about a piece of metal, is it the gun or what the gun can do?