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[pbel]

Palestinians say UN bid is last-ditch peace effort - Yahoo! News


RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A bid for U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine is a last-ditch attempt to rescue troubled Mideast peace efforts, a Palestinian spokeswoman said Wednesday, rejecting Israel's charge that it is an attempt to bypass negotiations.

Hanan Ashrawi, a senior Palestinian official, urged the U.S. to drop its opposition to the bid, dismissing Washington's stance as "pathetic" and harmful to American interests in the region. The Palestinians have come under intense pressure from the U.S., Britain and others to modify the bid but "have not succumbed," she said.

On Thursday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas plans to ask the U.N. General Assembly to recognize Palestine in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem, areas Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, but still controls most access.

The Palestinians expect some two-thirds of the General Assembly's 193 members will accept Palestine as a non-member observer state. The U.S., Israel, Canada and a few others are opposed.

The vote will not change the situation on the ground, yet the Palestinians still say it is significant.

Abbas has said U.N. recognition is not meant to replace negotiations with Israel, but to improve Palestinian leverage and secure the pre-1967 war frontiers as the baseline for future border talks — an idea Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected.

This does not mean the U.N. vote will pave the way for a quick resumption of talks, which broke down four years ago.

Abbas has said he will not negotiate as long as Israel keeps expanding settlements on war-won land. Half a million Israelis now live in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, blurring the 1967 lines.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The main question I have is since Abbas left the government in June of 2007 and his official term in office expired in January of 2009, where does he get the authority to change Palestine's borders?

 

[Hossfly]

The main question I have is since Abbas left the government in June of 2007 and his official term in office expired in January of 2009, where does he get the authority to change Palestine's borders?

Only the Shadow knows!

 

[pbel]

The main question I have is since Abbas left the government in June of 2007 and his official term in office expired in January of 2009, where does he get the authority to change Palestine's borders?

For one, the UN acts as its own authority...and two Hamas' political wing supports Abbas' request.

hamas supports abbas' un support

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Hamas lends support to Abbas's UN statehood bid

 

[docmauser1]

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A bid for U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine is a last-ditch attempt to rescue troubled Mideast peace efforts, a Palestinian spokeswoman said Wednesday, rejecting Israel's charge that it is an attempt to bypass negotiations.

So, the UN props the illegal Abu Mazen regime. Looks like if it's illegal the UN will support it, doesn't it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A bid for U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine is a last-ditch attempt to rescue troubled Mideast peace efforts, a Palestinian spokeswoman said Wednesday, rejecting Israel's charge that it is an attempt to bypass negotiations.

So, the UN props the illegal Abu Mazen regime. Looks like if it's illegal the UN will support it, doesn't it?

Good point.

The Abbas regime is obviously illegal. I don't understand why the UN recognizes him.

 

[Roudy]

Gas-passing Pbel.

 

[pbel]

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A bid for U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine is a last-ditch attempt to rescue troubled Mideast peace efforts, a Palestinian spokeswoman said Wednesday, rejecting Israel's charge that it is an attempt to bypass negotiations.

So, the UN props the illegal Abu Mazen regime. Looks like if it's illegal the UN will support it, doesn't it?

Illegal? By who'se standards?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A bid for U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine is a last-ditch attempt to rescue troubled Mideast peace efforts, a Palestinian spokeswoman said Wednesday, rejecting Israel's charge that it is an attempt to bypass negotiations.

So, the UN props the illegal Abu Mazen regime. Looks like if it's illegal the UN will support it, doesn't it?

Illegal? By who'se standards?

The Palestinian constitution.

 

[pbel]

So, the UN props the illegal Abu Mazen regime. Looks like if it's illegal the UN will support it, doesn't it?

Illegal? By who'se standards?

The Palestinian constitution.

Then what you are saying is that the Palestinian People through Fatah and Hamas support are illegaly submitting a UN Resolution? Can you provide a direct link to this constitutional prohibition?

Also, is your position that the Palestinians can only negotiaste the illegal occupation of the West Bank with the Israelis at the point of a gun?

That kind of negotiation will Never produce a lasting legitimate peace.

 

[GHook93]

The main question I have is since Abbas left the government in June of 2007 and his official term in office expired in January of 2009, where does he get the authority to change Palestine's borders?

From your mother!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Illegal? By who'se standards?

The Palestinian constitution.

Then what you are saying is that the Palestinian People through Fatah and Hamas support are illegaly submitting a UN Resolution? Can you provide a direct link to this constitutional prohibition?

Also, is your position that the Palestinians can only negotiaste the illegal occupation of the West Bank with the Israelis at the point of a gun?

That kind of negotiation will Never produce a lasting legitimate peace.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

When Abbas left the government he dismissed the government. The constitution states that the dismissed government (in this case the Hamas led government) stays in office until a new government is approved by the PLC and sworn in. Neither Salam Fayyad nor any of his cabinet have been approved by the PLC. It was unconstitutional to swear them in without this approval.

 

[pbel]

The Palestinian constitution.

Then what you are saying is that the Palestinian People through Fatah and Hamas support are illegaly submitting a UN Resolution? Can you provide a direct link to this constitutional prohibition?

Also, is your position that the Palestinians can only negotiaste the illegal occupation of the West Bank with the Israelis at the point of a gun?

That kind of negotiation will Never produce a lasting legitimate peace.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

When Abbas left the government he dismissed the government. The constitution states that the dismissed government (in this case the Hamas led government) stays in office until a new government is approved by the PLC and sworn in. Neither Salam Fayyad nor any of his cabinet have been approved by the PLC. It was unconstitutional to swear them in without this approval.

So in other words: No negotiations on peace until new Palestinian Elections...but where does the UN Charter require this kind of resolution to petition it?

 

[Hossfly]

The Palestinian constitution.

Then what you are saying is that the Palestinian People through Fatah and Hamas support are illegaly submitting a UN Resolution? Can you provide a direct link to this constitutional prohibition?

Also, is your position that the Palestinians can only negotiaste the illegal occupation of the West Bank with the Israelis at the point of a gun?

That kind of negotiation will Never produce a lasting legitimate peace.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

When Abbas left the government he dismissed the government. The constitution states that the dismissed government (in this case the Hamas led government) stays in office until a new government is approved by the PLC and sworn in. Neither Salam Fayyad nor any of his cabinet have been approved by the PLC. It was unconstitutional to swear them in without this approval.

It all boils down to what the rest of the world recognizes. Right now the world recogizes Abu Mazen. Who do you recommend?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then what you are saying is that the Palestinian People through Fatah and Hamas support are illegaly submitting a UN Resolution? Can you provide a direct link to this constitutional prohibition?

Also, is your position that the Palestinians can only negotiaste the illegal occupation of the West Bank with the Israelis at the point of a gun?

That kind of negotiation will Never produce a lasting legitimate peace.

Abbas left the government in June of 2007.

If the office of the President of the National Authority becomes vacant due to any of the above cases, the Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council shall temporarily assume the powers and duties of the Presidency of the National Authority for a period not to exceed sixty (60) days, during which free and direct elections to elect a new President shall take place in accordance with the Palestinian Election Law.

2003 Amended Basic Law | The Palestinian Basic Law

When Abbas left the government he dismissed the government. The constitution states that the dismissed government (in this case the Hamas led government) stays in office until a new government is approved by the PLC and sworn in. Neither Salam Fayyad nor any of his cabinet have been approved by the PLC. It was unconstitutional to swear them in without this approval.

It all boils down to what the rest of the world recognizes. Right now the world recogizes Abu Mazen. Who do you recommend?

So, if the rest of the world thinks that David Duke is the president of the US you would be OK with that?

 

[Hossfly]

Abbas left the government in June of 2007.



When Abbas left the government he dismissed the government. The constitution states that the dismissed government (in this case the Hamas led government) stays in office until a new government is approved by the PLC and sworn in. Neither Salam Fayyad nor any of his cabinet have been approved by the PLC. It was unconstitutional to swear them in without this approval.

It all boils down to what the rest of the world recognizes. Right now the world recogizes Abu Mazen. Who do you recommend?

So, if the rest of the world thinks that David Duke is the president of the US you would be OK with that?

Answers the question without a blink. Pali style.

 

[docmauser1]

The Abbas regime is obviously illegal. I don't understand why the UN recognizes him.

If it pesters jews, the UN will recognize it, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

So in other words: No negotiations on peace until new Palestinian Elections...but where does the UN Charter require this kind of resolution to petition it?

Where in the UN charter is supporting a non-representative junta required?

 

[docmauser1]

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — A bid for U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine is a last-ditch attempt to rescue troubled Mideast peace efforts, a Palestinian spokeswoman said Wednesday, rejecting Israel's charge that it is an attempt to bypass negotiations.

So, the UN props the illegal Abu Mazen regime. Looks like if it's illegal the UN will support it, doesn't it?

there sure are some interesting precedents: for instance the UN recognized the illegal declaration of the modern state of Israel---and managed to violate its own charter in the process....PRICELESS

Ignorant drivel.

 

[pbel]

http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-set-implicit-recognition-palestinian-state-despite-060136202.html


UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The U.N. General Assembly is set to implicitly recognize a sovereign state of Palestine on Thursday despite threats by the United States and Israel to punish the Palestinian Authority by withholding much-needed funds for the West Bank government.

A Palestinian resolution that would change the Palestinian Authority's U.N. observer status from "entity" to "non-member state," like the Vatican, is expected to pass easily in the 193-nation U.N. General Assembly.