History of your peaceful muslims:

[Uncensored2008]

Top 10 Atrocities in the name of religion:

1The Crusades (Christianity)
The Crusades were a series of conquests undertaken by various Christian groups ranging from 1095 AD to 1453 AD. Though the numbers aren't conclusive there were an estimated 1 to 3 million deaths from these campaigns. While some historians see the Crusades as a defensive action against Islamic conquest, most see them as a papal-led expansion attempt by Western Christendom.

3The Inquisition (Christianity)
Everyone has heard of the "Spanish Inquisition" but the Inquisition is actually a group of institutions within the Roman Catholic Church. Tracing back to the 12th-century, the goal of the institutions is to combat secular sectarianism. Aimed at keeping it's own members "faithful" the Catholic Church began holding trials for those with non-mainstream beliefs within the church and, for along period of time, engaging in torture to coerce the individual to conform. In the cases where no repentance was received, the death penalty was used as punishment. All in all there were an estimated 300,000 people put on trial with about 6,000 being executed.
To sum it up, those who didn't follow what the church said, including Muslims, Jews, and Protestants, were found, questioned, and killed. This shows the corruption of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages and Renaissance.

530 Years' War (Christianity)
Initially, religion was a motivation for the war as Protestant and Catholic states fought over what is now modern-day Germany and Italy. Involving most of the European countries, it was one of the most destructive conflicts in European history with an estimated 3 to 11.5 million casualties.

6French Wars of Religion (Christianity)
The French Wars of Religion is the name of a period of civil infighting and military operations, primarily fought between French Catholics and Protestants. Between 2 and 4 million people were killed.

8The Ku Klux Klan Murders (Christianity)

Top Ten Atrocities Committed In the Name of Religion - TheTopTens.com

Wow, you're a fucking retard.

No wonder no one takes you seriously.

 

[PratchettFan]

I hae not watched the video, unfortunately. But why would anyone pay attention to the argumentative of someone foreign to Islam, about the realities of Islam ? Do not insult people.

do you think that muslims are capable of discussing Christianity or Judaism or even Hinduism?

I believe you are talking to a Muslim. Why don't you discuss them with him?

I do not grasp your reason for suggesting that I talk to
"muslim" about various religions. In the course of
my own life I have had EXTENSIVE discussions with
muslims about religion------I do not feel a need for more

If you already knew they were capable of such discussions, why did you ask if they were?

 

[defcon4]

Do not confuse Christianity with Catholicism. The Crusades, the Inquistions, the Holocaust, the world wars, created by the Romanist Vatican were meant to massacre the Jews and Bible Believing Christians. Catholicism has never been about Christianity. Furthermore, the Jesuits founded the KKK and pretended to be Protestants - they were not - nor have they ever been -

I am not going to go into any explanation about a meaning of trefoil, trinity, ankh, Isis and Osiris, the Orphic egg, Gnostics, Calvin's witch hunts in Switzerland and so on.
I think you disqualified yourself from an intelligent conversation with the above.

 

[irosie91]

I hae not watched the video, unfortunately. But why would anyone pay attention to the argumentative of someone foreign to Islam, about the realities of Islam ? Do not insult people.

do you think that muslims are capable of discussing Christianity or Judaism or even Hinduism?

I believe you are talking to a Muslim. Why don't you discuss them with him?

I do not grasp your reason for suggesting that I talk to
"muslim" about various religions. In the course of
my own life I have had EXTENSIVE discussions with
muslims about religion------I do not feel a need for more

If you already knew they were capable of such discussions, why did you ask if they were?

I specifically asked OUR muslim person because he
commented that non muslims cannot talk about islam.
Try to focus. I have worked with muslims for decades and did socialize with them when I was a young adult. In fact I worked with lots of foreign nationals who had come to the USA for professional training---since I was 19 years old (long ago) -----I even got invited to visit mosques. Of all people----muslims KNOW the most
of any other people about both Christianity and Judaism---they even talk about it in mosques. Generally the muslims are KNOW the most are those from places where there are very few Christians and no jews. I was interested in that which our "muslim" "knows" What he "knows" would be the stuff taught in
mosques

 

[Coyote]

While Christians and Islamists are both proselytizing there is a difference between the methods of peaceful and forced attempts of converting.
You need to do some historical research before you blindly quote stupidity in some of the points.

1/ Crusades: True, it was a religious war but if you look at the dates when they took place it should reveal to you that Christianity was well established in the region before the Saracen occupation of the "Holy Land" and crusades were aiming to retake Jerusalem and stop Saracen expansion. You got Hussein Obama fever on this one, at least seems like it.

From: Crusades - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Some historians see the Crusades as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest. Crusading attracted men and women of all classes. The massacres involved were mainly attributed as being caused by disorder, an epidemic of ergotism and economic distress.[2]

The crusaders often pillaged the countries through which they travelled in the typical medieval manner of supplying an army on the move. Nobles often retained much of the territory gained rather than returning it to the Byzantines as they had sworn to do.[9][10] The Peoples' Crusade prompted Rhineland massacres and the murder of thousands of Jews.[11] The Fourth Crusade resulted in the sack of Constantinople by the Roman Catholics, effectively ending the chance of reuniting the Christian church by reconciling the East–West Schism and leading to the weakening and eventual fall of the Byzantine Empire to the Ottomans. Nevertheless, some crusaders were merely poor people trying to escape the hardships of medieval life in an armed pilgrimage leading to Apotheosis at Jerusalem.[12]​

3/ Inquisition. Again if you look at it with open eyes you can see that the "Holy Inquisition" did not target Blow Joe the serf tilling the dirt on the Feudal Lord's land but influential persons who actually could damage the authority of the Church of Rome while Islamists persecute everybody - even Blow Joe - who is "infidel" and does not convert to Islamism.

No....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition....Joe Blow was targeted too. The Inquisitions were plural events resulting in quite a bit of brutality and blood shed.

8/ Ku Klux Klan:
KKK was not a Christian movement in a sense that it could be categorized as such, apart from that its members may have been Christians. For instance not all Americans of Sicilian descent are Mafioso.

Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
"Though most members of the KKK saw themselves as holding to American values and Christian morality, virtually every Christian denomination officially denounced the Ku Klux Klan."

The KKK is considered one of a number of "Christian Identity Movements". It's Christian.

 

[defcon4]

No....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition....Joe Blow was targeted too. The Inquisitions were plural events resulting in quite a bit of brutality and blood shed.

If Joe Blow practiced so called "witchcraft" or joined a movement threatening the oligarchy, then yes he was targeted also.

The KKK is considered one of a number of "Christian Identity Movements". It's Christian.

Since virtually all denominations officially denounced the movement I do not consider it a Christian Identity Movement even if Ontario Consultants based on FBI reports classify it as such. From the start up it was created to "restore the Confederacy" then followed by the two other major "revival" periods it became more of a hate group than anything else.

 

[PratchettFan]

Islam has never been a peaceful religion. It's peaceful only after it kills or enslaves all non muslims. Here;s the truth if you've got the honor and honesty to watch it.

None of the big 3 religions are peaceful.

Religions are made up of people, and people are people. Put them in the right conditions and they will be peaceful. Put them in other conditions and they will be violent. Christian, Muslim, Jew, right wing, left wing, etc. are just labels and they make no difference at all.

are you over the age of 12 years?

Yes. Are you?

yes----well over In the course of my long life----I have learned that people can be VERY different in their beliefs and more's. The differences are based on the ideologies to which they have been exposed in childhood.--------for insight-----read Erik Erikson's
"CHILDHOOD AND SOCIETY"----it is an excellent book.
Have you had much interaction with persons of various
religions and from various parts of the world?

Islam has never been a peaceful religion. It's peaceful only after it kills or enslaves all non muslims. Here;s the truth if you've got the honor and honesty to watch it.

None of the big 3 religions are peaceful.

Religions are made up of people, and people are people. Put them in the right conditions and they will be peaceful. Put them in other conditions and they will be violent. Christian, Muslim, Jew, right wing, left wing, etc. are just labels and they make no difference at all.

are you over the age of 12 years?

Yes. Are you?

yes----well over In the course of my long life----I have learned that people can be VERY different in their beliefs and more's. The differences are based on the ideologies to which they have been exposed in childhood.--------for insight-----read Erik Erikson's
"CHILDHOOD AND SOCIETY"----it is an excellent book.
Have you had much interaction with persons of various
religions and from various parts of the world?

I've lived a few years myself. I've lived, not visited - lived, on four continents. During the course of my long life I have learned that people are the same and things like beliefs and mores are just the veneer. If you go into a city and you visit the richer section you will feel one way and if you go into the poor section you will feel entirely different. That is because people act according to their circumstances, not their beliefs. In a land torn by warfare and drought, violence is to be expected and it doesn't matter a whit whether the population is Muslim, Christian or Buddhist.

For insight I would suggest you read Christopher Browning's "Ordinary Men", which is not a psychological analysis but straight history about real people who did real things. It isn't theory, it's hard fact. Good Christian family men who were just doing their duty. That is a true glimpse into the nature of humanity.

 

[irosie91]

None of the big 3 religions are peaceful.

Religions are made up of people, and people are people. Put them in the right conditions and they will be peaceful. Put them in other conditions and they will be violent. Christian, Muslim, Jew, right wing, left wing, etc. are just labels and they make no difference at all.

are you over the age of 12 years?

Yes. Are you?

yes----well over In the course of my long life----I have learned that people can be VERY different in their beliefs and more's. The differences are based on the ideologies to which they have been exposed in childhood.--------for insight-----read Erik Erikson's
"CHILDHOOD AND SOCIETY"----it is an excellent book.
Have you had much interaction with persons of various
religions and from various parts of the world?

None of the big 3 religions are peaceful.

Religions are made up of people, and people are people. Put them in the right conditions and they will be peaceful. Put them in other conditions and they will be violent. Christian, Muslim, Jew, right wing, left wing, etc. are just labels and they make no difference at all.

are you over the age of 12 years?

Yes. Are you?

yes----well over In the course of my long life----I have learned that people can be VERY different in their beliefs and more's. The differences are based on the ideologies to which they have been exposed in childhood.--------for insight-----read Erik Erikson's
"CHILDHOOD AND SOCIETY"----it is an excellent book.
Have you had much interaction with persons of various
religions and from various parts of the world?

I've lived a few years myself. I've lived, not visited - lived, on four continents. During the course of my long life I have learned that people are the same and things like beliefs and mores are just the veneer. If you go into a city and you visit the richer section you will feel one way and if you go into the poor section you will feel entirely different. That is because people act according to their circumstances, not their beliefs. In a land torn by warfare and drought, violence is to be expected and it doesn't matter a whit whether the population is Muslim, Christian or Buddhist.

For insight I would suggest you read Christopher Browning's "Ordinary Men", which is not a psychological analysis but straight history about real people who did real things. It isn't theory, it's hard fact. Good Christian family men who were just doing their duty. That is a true glimpse into the nature of humanity.

I have had far more than a glimpse into the nature of Humanity-----I have digitalized its ANI------the ani of all of
humanity

 

[PratchettFan]

do you think that muslims are capable of discussing Christianity or Judaism or even Hinduism?

I believe you are talking to a Muslim. Why don't you discuss them with him?

I do not grasp your reason for suggesting that I talk to
"muslim" about various religions. In the course of
my own life I have had EXTENSIVE discussions with
muslims about religion------I do not feel a need for more

If you already knew they were capable of such discussions, why did you ask if they were?

I specifically asked OUR muslim person because he
commented that non muslims cannot talk about islam.
Try to focus. I have worked with muslims for decades and did socialize with them when I was a young adult. In fact I worked with lots of foreign nationals who had come to the USA for professional training---since I was 19 years old (long ago) -----I even got invited to visit mosques. Of all people----muslims KNOW the most
of any other people about both Christianity and Judaism---they even talk about it in mosques. Generally the muslims are KNOW the most are those from places where there are very few Christians and no jews. I was interested in that which our "muslim" "knows" What he "knows" would be the stuff taught in
mosques

I am focused. He didn't say anything that even vaguely resembled your description of his comment. But perhaps I am mistaken. Can you show me in his post where he said non-Muslims cannot talk about Islam? Let me help, this is what he said: "I hae not watched the video, unfortunately. But why would anyone pay attention to the argumentative of someone foreign to Islam, about the realities of Islam ? Do not insult people."

 

[irosie91]

do you think that muslims are capable of discussing Christianity or Judaism or even Hinduism?

I believe you are talking to a Muslim. Why don't you discuss them with him?

I do not grasp your reason for suggesting that I talk to
"muslim" about various religions. In the course of
my own life I have had EXTENSIVE discussions with
muslims about religion------I do not feel a need for more

If you already knew they were capable of such discussions, why did you ask if they were?

I specifically asked OUR muslim person because he
commented that non muslims cannot talk about islam.
Try to focus. I have worked with muslims for decades and did socialize with them when I was a young adult. In fact I worked with lots of foreign nationals who had come to the USA for professional training---since I was 19 years old (long ago) -----I even got invited to visit mosques. Of all people----muslims KNOW the most
of any other people about both Christianity and Judaism---they even talk about it in mosques. Generally the muslims are KNOW the most are those from places where there are very few Christians and no jews. I was interested in that which our "muslim" "knows" What he "knows" would be the stuff taught in
mosques

I am focused. He didn't say anything that even vaguely resembled your description of his comment. But perhaps I am mistaken. Can you show me in his post where he said non-Muslims cannot talk about Islam? Let me help, this is what he said: "I hae not watched the video, unfortunately. But why would anyone pay attention to the argumentative of someone foreign to Islam, about the realities of Islam ? Do not insult people."

"why would anyone pay attention to the 'argumentative' of
someone foreign to islam, about the realities of islam"
I will translate for you------he said-- "WHY WOULD ANYONE ATTEND TO THE WORDS OF A NON MUSLIM REGARDING THAT WHICH IS ISLAM"
I do English quite well-----and have interacted with so
many muslims from "other countries" that I understand
how THEY use english

 

[PratchettFan]

I believe you are talking to a Muslim. Why don't you discuss them with him?

I do not grasp your reason for suggesting that I talk to
"muslim" about various religions. In the course of
my own life I have had EXTENSIVE discussions with
muslims about religion------I do not feel a need for more

If you already knew they were capable of such discussions, why did you ask if they were?

I specifically asked OUR muslim person because he
commented that non muslims cannot talk about islam.
Try to focus. I have worked with muslims for decades and did socialize with them when I was a young adult. In fact I worked with lots of foreign nationals who had come to the USA for professional training---since I was 19 years old (long ago) -----I even got invited to visit mosques. Of all people----muslims KNOW the most
of any other people about both Christianity and Judaism---they even talk about it in mosques. Generally the muslims are KNOW the most are those from places where there are very few Christians and no jews. I was interested in that which our "muslim" "knows" What he "knows" would be the stuff taught in
mosques

I am focused. He didn't say anything that even vaguely resembled your description of his comment. But perhaps I am mistaken. Can you show me in his post where he said non-Muslims cannot talk about Islam? Let me help, this is what he said: "I hae not watched the video, unfortunately. But why would anyone pay attention to the argumentative of someone foreign to Islam, about the realities of Islam ? Do not insult people."

"why would anyone pay attention to the 'argumentative' of
someone foreign to islam, about the realities of islam"
I will translate for you------he said-- "WHY WOULD ANYONE ATTEND TO THE WORDS OF A NON MUSLIM REGARDING THAT WHICH IS ISLAM"
I do English quite well-----and have interacted with so
many muslims from "other countries" that I understand
how THEY use english

I do English as well and don't need translating. That is not what he said. He said foreign to Islam. That has an entirely different meaning. If you were a specialist in a field and I knew nothing about it, would you argue with me about it or just ignore me? That is what he meant. But that isn't what you want him to mean, is it?

And I notice that while you consistently capitalize Christianity, you consistently fail to do so with Islam. Should I "interpret" that for you? No..., I think not. Instead I shall just wish you a nice day.

 

[Coyote]

No....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition....Joe Blow was targeted too. The Inquisitions were plural events resulting in quite a bit of brutality and blood shed.

If Joe Blow practiced so called "witchcraft" or joined a movement threatening the oligarchy, then yes he was targeted also.

Or if he was Jewish or if he was Muslim....and so-called witches were just Joe Blows. In fact, for many of the same reasons as a lot of religious violence.

The KKK is considered one of a number of "Christian Identity Movements". It's Christian.

Since virtually all denominations officially denounced the movement I do not consider it a Christian Identity Movement even if Ontario Consultants based on FBI reports classify it as such. From the start up it was created to "restore the Confederacy" then followed by the two other major "revival" periods it became more of a hate group than anything else.

[/QUOTE]

So? The majority of Muslims denounce ISIS

KKK certainly considered themselves Christian and did not care for non-Christians nor were any involved in their movement.

 

[pismoe]

I think that most muslims are fence sitters ready to go whatever way the wind blows Coyote . Just a comment !!

 

[pismoe]

same thing happened in Germany with the minority group of Nazis that ruled over the mass of the German people . Germans simply kept their mouths shut rather than fight or be killed by the minority of Nazis . Quiet Muslims are the same or similar in my opinion .

 

[irosie91]

I do not grasp your reason for suggesting that I talk to
"muslim" about various religions. In the course of
my own life I have had EXTENSIVE discussions with
muslims about religion------I do not feel a need for more

If you already knew they were capable of such discussions, why did you ask if they were?

I specifically asked OUR muslim person because he
commented that non muslims cannot talk about islam.
Try to focus. I have worked with muslims for decades and did socialize with them when I was a young adult. In fact I worked with lots of foreign nationals who had come to the USA for professional training---since I was 19 years old (long ago) -----I even got invited to visit mosques. Of all people----muslims KNOW the most
of any other people about both Christianity and Judaism---they even talk about it in mosques. Generally the muslims are KNOW the most are those from places where there are very few Christians and no jews. I was interested in that which our "muslim" "knows" What he "knows" would be the stuff taught in
mosques

I am focused. He didn't say anything that even vaguely resembled your description of his comment. But perhaps I am mistaken. Can you show me in his post where he said non-Muslims cannot talk about Islam? Let me help, this is what he said: "I hae not watched the video, unfortunately. But why would anyone pay attention to the argumentative of someone foreign to Islam, about the realities of Islam ? Do not insult people."

"why would anyone pay attention to the 'argumentative' of
someone foreign to islam, about the realities of islam"
I will translate for you------he said-- "WHY WOULD ANYONE ATTEND TO THE WORDS OF A NON MUSLIM REGARDING THAT WHICH IS ISLAM"
I do English quite well-----and have interacted with so
many muslims from "other countries" that I understand
how THEY use english

I do English as well and don't need translating. That is not what he said. He said foreign to Islam. That has an entirely different meaning. If you were a specialist in a field and I knew nothing about it, would you argue with me about it or just ignore me? That is what he meant. But that isn't what you want him to mean, is it?

And I notice that while you consistently capitalize Christianity, you consistently fail to do so with Islam. Should I "interpret" that for you? No..., I think not. Instead I shall just wish you a nice day.

Oh what does "foreign to islam" mean to you? To me it means ----NOT MUSLIM It has an alternate meaning to YOU? How do you interpret "foreign to islam"???

 

[Teddy Pollins]

What should we think about the religion the Prophet of which stated his teaching with killings and persecutions? Islam is a religion of war which they call "jihad". How long will this war continue in your country? It is up for you to decide.

 

[Muslim75]

Irosie91,

I don't discuss, for instance, the concept of Lent in Christianity, because I am foreign to Christianity. I can only discuss about its core topics. If I studied Christianity, still I would not give my opinions on how to worship, for instance, during Lent. I saw that someone replied for me, I thank him for that.

 

[pismoe]

check out the muslim concepts of 'House of War' and 'House of Peace' to see how muslims think about the world . Its easy to do on google!!

 

[irosie91]

Irosie91,

I don't discuss, for instance, the concept of Lent in Christianity, because I am foreign to Christianity. I can only discuss about its core topics. If I studied Christianity, still I would not give my opinions on how to worship, for instance, during Lent. I saw that someone replied for me, I thank him for that.

your personal preferences are interesting, muslim----I believe I asked you if consider it ok for muslims to
discuss other religions or teach their children about
other religions?. I do have a reason for asking----now that GOOD FRIDAY is coming up. The very first time I stepped into a mosque-----MANY MANY decades ago
at the invitation of colleagues-----it was on a GOOD FRIDAY. I was told that the IMAM was a visiting genius
from some terrific Islamic university----I believe it might have been AL AZHAR. The genius spoke in English with what seemed to me to be an Egyptian accent----nothing like the accents of my Pakistani and Indian hosts----who---btw were Shiites. The genius that day
gave a lecture ABOUT GOOD FRIDAY-----to be brief----
I had to take deep breaths to avoid vomiting on the
carpet. He simply ranted on that "CHRISTIANS ARE
PERVERSE LIARS"-------and "THE ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM" I was offended. My hosts could not understand my objection since the filthy slob Imam had not even mentioned jews. Over the years, I did discover that muslim children learn lots about----Christianity, Judaism and even Hinduism ----via the well known filth known as "khutbah jumaat", In my entire life, I have never heard the word------"muslim" "Koran"
"muhummad" etc etc -----in a synagogue or in a lecture
on "jewish" subjects.----but pakistanis and muslims from India SHOW up in the USA ----with what they seem to
consider some sort of COMPREHENSIVE insight into
both Judaism and Christianity-----information they are happy to SHARE. Over the years I learned if I want to know the mosque shit on Judaism----I say I am Christian and if I want to know the mosque shit on Christianity ---I say I am jewish------your reticence regarding these issues is remarkable