History of Israel/Palestine and the Jewish Presence in Israel/Palestine

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    2200BC - Canaanites Period - Abraham in Land of Canaan. Egypt conquers and enslaves the Jewish People.

    1200 BC - Israelites take the scene after the exodus from Egypt.
    During the conquest of Israel
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

    1000 - 586 BC: Jewish Rule: in Land of Israel and Judah

    722-586 BC: Assyrian Rule: Assyrians conquer Israel; Most Jews flee to the other Jewish Kingdom of Judah

    586 - 539 BC: Babylonian Rule: Babylonians Conquer the 2nd Jewish kingdom (Judah) - Destroy the 1st temple and expel the Jews
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

    539 - 333 BC: Persian Rule, with nearly automous Jewish soverignty - Cyrus the Great conquered the Babylonians and let the Jews return to Israel and Judah. The 2nd temple was build and the Jews were free to practice their religion. Jews were self-rule as a satrapie of Persia

    333-165 BC: Greek Rule - Alexander the Great conquered Israel, but the Israelites maintain semi self-rule

    165-63 BC: Jewish Golden Era - The Maccabean Revolt freed the Jews.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Roman_history_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

    63 BC - 333 AD: Roman Era:
    This is the most critical time in the history of Israel and the for the Jews. The events in this era lead to the excile of the Jews, mainly throughout Europe, Russia and the Middle East (hence the reason the pre-1900 why there were so many Jews is Europe and Russia) and the mass extermination of Jews. It has been estimated that 2-2.5 million Jews were killed during this time. I saw a special on the history channel a while back that it the Roman-Jewish wars never happened that there could have been 200-300 million Jews in the world today.
    63 BC - 4 AD: Herod the Great Rule (Jewish King) - The Jews ruled Israel (Judea) as as a a Roman Client King. They Jews had semi-automny.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great
    6 AD - 66 A: After Herod's death the Romans tightened their rule by establishing a Roman Procurator (Roman overlord) - who collected taxes.
    66 AD The First Great Jewish Revolt! The Jews revolted against the Procurator placing a Pagan Statute on top of the 2nd Great Temple. It was disastrous for the Jews. 600,000-1,300,00 were killed. The first Jewish Dispora throughout the Middle East, Europe and Russia occurred. The 2nd Temple was destroyed. The Jews official lost their State.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish-Roman_War
    70 AD - 132 AD: The Jews slowly came back to Israel
    132 AD: The 2nd Jewish Revolt started and was successful in expelling the Romans
    132 - 134 AD: Jewish Independent Israel
    135 AD: Roman took their revenge and brutally destroyed the revolt. 580K Jews were killed. The remaining ones were further exciled throughout Europe, M.E. and Russia. More salt on the wounds the Romans changed name of Israel/Judea to Palestina (later Palestine) after the Israelite's long extinct enemy the Philistines.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba%27s_revolt
    135-330 Rome Rule - Jews were completely exciled

    330 AD - 614 AD: Byzantine Rule:
    Jews were allowed to return and returned in numbers. There were occassional revolts, but the numbers increased.

    614 - 619 AD: Jewish Rule. After an alliance with the Persians the Jews and Persians took Palestina.

    617 - 625 AD: Persian Rule - Persian took Palestina as a colony, but Jews remained

    625 - 638 AD: Byzantine Rule - The Jews feeling betrayed by the Persian signed an alliance with the Byzantines in exchange for amnesty. After the Jews help the Byzantines expell the Persians, the Byzantines attacked the Jews killing many and exciling even more to Europe, Russian and the M.E.

    638 - 1099 AD: Muslim Rule - Arab Crusades - The newly found Islamic religion went on a quest to rule the world. Look at all the places that the Arab Crusades hit (except Spain - because of the inquisition) and you will see a predominate Muslim country. However, the Jews were not exciled. At times they were presecuted, but they were able to remain and set up Jewish villages and communities.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummayad
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid

    1099 - 1187 AD: Christian European Rule - The first crusade lead to the killing of nearly every Muslim, Jew and even Christian in Jerusalem. Mass-killings of Jews throughout Palestine and evern Europe.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crusades

    1187 - 1244 AD: Muslim Rule - Saladin conquered Jerusalem in 1187 and the rest Palestina by 1244
    1244 - 1517 AD: Muslim Rule:
    1517-1919 AD: Turkish Rule
    1917 - 1948: British Rule:
    The British Manddate promised the lands to both the Palestinian Arab inhabitants and Jews in a parition plan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine

    1948 - Present: Jewish Rule
    The Parition Plan was accepted by the Jews, but not the Arabs and War broke out in 1948-1949. With Egypt ruling over Gaza and Jordon ruling over West Bank. Although both countries had the power to grant the Palestinians an independent state, they never did. Then in the '67 after the six day war Israel acquired Gaza and the West Bank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_history
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Land_of_Israel
     
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    I tellya..


    nothing says historic primary source QUITE LIKE a jewish old testement!




    gosh.. I wonder what Mein Komph has to say about german superiority...


    Indeed, burning bush legends TOTALLY validate the total marginalization of the pals in 48! If only ole Andy Jackson had a burning bush to pretend was the mouth of a god who authorised the sacking of North Americas land of milk and honey..
     
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    First of all, how lovely that you chose wikipedia for your ONE source and why do you think they trump the ISRAELI govt documents that prove otherwise.

    Secondly, the european jews are not descended from that area, they descend from europe.

    They dont have to be an independent state according to our rules...any political community and entity is regarded as a nation and a cohesive culture. They have rights both as individuals and as a community.

    The population before the mass exodus was mostly non jewish BUT those jews who DID live there and had been living there were members of the palestinian community since RELIGION was not the determining factor for being palestinian. The problems started when the mass immigration flooded in with plans to expel the current residents and make a JEWISH homeland and thereby getting rid of the palestinians.

    Why should palestinians accept their own demise? Its a ridiculous thing to ask of them and no one in their right mind would EXPECT them to say yes.

    http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/jewsfjustice.cfm

    I think that sums it up. There was a minority of Jewish people there and they had the same rights palestinians had...rights were not doled out based on religion (as they are now since israel was created). What was WRONG was that their self determination was denied and a campaign of genocide was started by the zionists so that they take over the lands and make it a JEWISH homeland instead of a homeland for all those that actually lived there.

    Citing there has been jewish presence in the area throughout history is NO solid basis on which to say that european jews have a RIGHT to displace the palestinians who have lived there since the 7th century.

    Its RIDICULOUS. Just because europeans have adopted religions or parts of other regions cultures dosent give them the right to go claim the lands as their own and drive out the natives by force and via violence and genocide.
     
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    It really was a bunch of religious lore he seems to rely on as his proof. Nevermind the actual govt records, the military leaders papers and communications...nevermind the PUBLIC statements made by the zionists themselves. NO, ancient religious texts are what should guide us instead....nevermind the actual evidence to the contrary.

    Insane the lengths people will go to in order to defend horrific human rights abuses and genocide.
     
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    hey..

    as long as we treat muslims like zealots when they insist on validating behaviour with the dogma of the koran and let jews and christians off the hook...


    :eusa_whistle:



    funny how the room got real quiet when the andy jackson quotes appeared..
     
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    Hey smart guy a lot of the information has been validated through non-religious documents and artifacts. Try taking your head out of your ass for once! :cuckoo:
     
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    then post your evidence beyond the jewish old testement. claiming that "alot of stuff has been blah blah blah" just isnt as impressive as posting a non-biased source, ya cock mongoloid. Try taking you head out of the zionist clockwork orange video marathon. Sorry, jewish fairy tales just don't cut it.

    after all... youd be calling a muslm touting HIS dogma as fact a goddamn crazy zealot evil bastard...


    but hey.. as long as this kind of shit only works one way and all...
     
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    The UN approved of and endorsed the creation of Israel. I wonder why, when the UN does anything now adays it is good and right according to you Jew haters? The Palestinians had the right to create their own state as well, in fact they would have had a bigger slice and a more defensable slice as well. They chose NOT to. The Arab nations invaded to destroy Israel, not to create a new Arab state but to divide the land up amongst the nations already there.

    Further they ordered the Arabs out with a threat of murder if they did not leave. The Arab States also kept the so called refugees in squalid camps for 60 years rather then allow them to assimilate into their countries, most of them booted them out completely before 1990 because they were a direct threat to the Governments of those countries. Lebanon was in the throes of a civil war so never had the where with all to boot them out, and they are still paying for that mistake.
     
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    Wikipedia is fine source, which provides and require a reliable source for to going along with what the author is claiming. Besides much of this comes from my studies of ancient Israel from books, but you can't quote those with creditability over the internet.

    And don't just quote a blanket countering source without going into specifics. That is dishonest.

    Note: Don't attack wikipedia when you quote off of znet. The crazy far far leftist website of which the Noam Chomsky can spew his propaganda.

    Proof of your lies? The reason the very very very Jews are converts is because it's not a predatory religion and in fact makes it very difficult to convert. The reason many of the Jews have been scatter throughout Europe and the Middle East (before the Arabs expelled them that is) is because of the disporas by the Babloyian, Roman (especially them), Byzantines and later the Arabs. Your lies uncover your bias


    True, but that had been persecuted many times even before zionism was a known entity.

    Yet look at Palestine and the Palestinian people it is 95% Muslim (Sunni Muslim that is) and they are direct decendents of the Arab MUSLIM crusaders. I think religion has a lot to do with who the Palestinians are. Hamas rhetoric usually has Allah involved.

    No the problem started with the Roman conquest and the Jewish Revolts. Maybe the Jews should have just succumb to the Romans and waited the Roman empire out.

    You could direct that same question to the Jews and the Israelis! :eusa_think:
     
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    The parting of the red sea, the plagues are folklore, which I don't believe it. In fact I don't believe in religion or god. I believe in what science can tell me.

    There are ancient Jews artifacts and documents beyond the bible that lay proof to the Israel conquest of Canaan. The Jewish kingdoms of 1000-586 BC are documented. Cyrus the Greats and Alexander the Great's conquests are also well document. For the Roman period you have the Western wall and Mazada.

    I agree the folklore and religion are non-creditable sources, but I was quoting history. :eusa_clap:


    And please show alittle bit of respect and I will do the same. You can disagree with out the personal and racist attacks! :idea:
     

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