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Explain how Nazism and Communism are almost identical please. Also I would like your input on our debate about McCarthyism.


Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.

Nazis & Communists: Ideological Bedfellows

Your link is from a right wing site.

Its bullshit.

I agree with Truth on this one.
If you have read Mien Kompf you would know.
The only thing Hitler admired about communism was Stalin's control over his population.
His social policies were not communisim.
The means of population control were the same though- killing.
 
So both of you are Beck fans? Wow! Some of your past posts now make much much more sense to me now.

I've been defending Beck since the day you arrived at this board. Are you so stupid that you are just figuring out that I like him? Seriously, how many months have we been doing this?
 
Explain how Nazism and Communism are almost identical please. Also I would like your input on our debate about McCarthyism.


Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.

Nazis & Communists: Ideological Bedfellows





Hitler was CATHOLIC and the CATHOLIC church did NOT condemn his attrocities.
 
Explain how Nazism and Communism are almost identical please. Also I would like your input on our debate about McCarthyism.


Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.

Nazis & Communists: Ideological Bedfellows





Hitler was CATHOLIC and the CATHOLIC church did NOT condemn his attrocities.

Well, to be fair, the pope did apologize-----in the 1990's!
 
Does hi bring up how Che hated blacks and made TONS of comments about how they should be killed?
Does he bring up the 10's of millions of chinese that Mao, Anita Dunn's hero, starved to death?
Does he bring up stalin's ethnic cleansing where he killed more jews and poor people than hitler ever could have even dreamed of?
Does he bring up the fact that Nazism and Communism are almost identical in their origins and their behaviors?
Just adding my
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to the effect that I watched the special and saw him cover all the above.
 
People who get degrees in History aren't even taught the truth about these bloodthirsty "progressives" in our liberal colleges today...

It's no wonder ignorant kids buy posters of Mao and and wear T-shirts of Che...
Revolutionary Holocaust airs Friday, January 22 at 5p ET on the Fox News Channel...

A groundbreaking hour long special where Glenn Beck takes us back in time to examine the roots of socialism and communism and the evil that followed. We all know about the horrors of the holocaust where the pure evil Hitler inspired claimed the lives of millions of innocent people. But most do not know about the millions upon millions of lives lost in a different genocide of the Ukrainian people under the Stalin regime. This special also takes a look behind the iconic fashion symbol of Che Guevara showing that the myth doesn't tell the story of the man who was a blood thirsty killer. We meet a family who saw first hand what a monster the man was. They know the cost of communism and you will too when you hear their story, and who can forget about Mao Zedong? A leader responsible for 70-million deaths during his reign. All communist. All killers. We will show you things you've never seen but need to.

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Modeled after the statue created by Chinese students in 1989 before the Tiananmen Square massacre, the memorial stands at the intersection of Massachusetts Avenue NW and New Jersey Avenue NW. President George W. Bush helped dedicate it on June 12, 2007, saying that while we will never know the names of all who perished, "at this sacred place, communism's unknown victims will be consecrated to history and remembered forever."

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Prove Clowntoon commited a crime by lying to congress.
He was aquitted by congress.

I never made that claim, therefore I have nothing to prove. Nice try at redirecting the conversation. Just say you can't prove he committed a crime and I'll understand.

He was censured by congress I believe. They do that for no reason?

Not for a criminal act. You stated McCarthy committed a crime, now I'm asking what crime did he commit?
 
Damn there are a lot of dumbed-down idiot liberals on this board....obviously end-products of our liberal-biased school system...

IF you wish to know the real truth about McCarthy I would suggest that you read Stanton Evans book Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies. Another good read on the subject is by Ann Coulter called Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism.

The McCarthy period is the Rosetta stone of all liberal lies. It is the textbook on how they rewrite history -- the sound chamber of liberal denunciations, their phony victimhood as they demean and oppress their enemies, their false imputation of dishonesty to their opponents, their legalization of every policy dispute, their ability to engage in lock-step shouting campaigns, and the black motives concealed by their endless cacophony.

The true story of Joe McCarthy, told in meticulous, irrefutable detail in Blacklisted by History, is that from 1938 to 1946, the Democratic Party acquiesced in a monstrous conspiracy being run through the State Department, the military establishment, and even the White House to advance the Soviet cause within the U.S. government.

In the face of the Democrats' absolute refusal to admit to their fecklessness, fatuity and recklessness in allowing known Soviet spies to penetrate the deepest levels of government, McCarthy demanded an accounting.

Even if one concedes to on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand whiners like Ronald Radosh that Truman's Secretary of State Dean Acheson didn't like communism, his record is what it was. And that record was to treat Soviet spies like members of the Hasty Pudding Club.

Rather than own up to their moral blindness to Soviet espionage, Democrats fired up the liberal slander machine, which would be deployed again and again over the next half century to the present day. In hiding their own perfidy, liberals were guilty of every sin they lyingly imputed to McCarthy. There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along.

Blacklisted by History proves that every conventional belief about McCarthy is wrong, including:

-- That he lied about his war service: He was a tailgunner in World War II;

-- That he was a drunk: He would generally nurse a single drink all night;

-- That he made the whole thing up: He produced loads of Soviet spies in government jobs;

-- That he just did it for political gain: He understood perfectly the godless evil of communism.

Ironically, for all of their love of conspiracy theories -- the rigging of the 2000 election, vote suppression in Ohio in 2004, 9/11 being an inside job, oil companies covering up miracle technology that would allow cars to run on dirt, Britney Spears' career, etc., etc. -- when presented with an actual conspiracy of Soviet spies infiltrating the U.S. government, they laughed it off like world-weary skeptics and dedicated themselves to slandering Joe McCarthy.

Then as now, liberals protect themselves from detection with wild calumnies against anybody who opposes them. They have no interest in -- or aptitude for -- persuasion. Their goal is to anathematize their enemies. Blacklisted by History removes the curse from one of the greatest patriots in American history.

McCarthyism: The Rosetta Stone of Liberal Lies - HUMAN EVENTS
 
Explain how Nazism and Communism are almost identical please. Also I would like your input on our debate about McCarthyism.


Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.

Nazis & Communists: Ideological Bedfellows

Your link is from a right wing site.

Its bullshit.

In other words you can't argue the points that were made. You simply dismiss them because of the website it came from. At least no one can accuse you of being close-minded.
 
Explain how Nazism and Communism are almost identical please. Also I would like your input on our debate about McCarthyism.


Communists and Nazis were viewed as twins by authors writing in the 1930s. Both implemented collectivism, hated Christians and Jews, used racism when it helped them (but not when it did not), and centralized government power. There was once a popular term used to describe the common evil of Bolshevism and Nazism: the Commu-Nazi. It is curious how easily Bolsheviks became Nazis and Nazis became Bolsheviks — but that is just what one would expect if the two evil movements were identical.

Nazis & Communists: Ideological Bedfellows





Hitler was CATHOLIC and the CATHOLIC church did NOT condemn his attrocities.

You're point is?
 
The hijack of this thread from the ever-controversial Glenn Beck to McCarthy proves that even today, after almost 60 years, McCarthy remains a controversial figure in American History.
Like I said before in this thread, my grandfather always maintained that Mccarthy was railroaded.
Even in the 1960's, that didn't match what I was taught in school.
I believe, that like most figures in history, there is good and bad in McCarthy.
One thing to consider is that the winners in any conflict are the ones that write history.
McCarthy lost.
 
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Does hi bring up how Che hated blacks and made TONS of comments about how they should be killed?
Does he bring up the 10's of millions of chinese that Mao, Anita Dunn's hero, starved to death?
Does he bring up stalin's ethnic cleansing where he killed more jews and poor people than hitler ever could have even dreamed of?
Does he bring up the fact that Nazism and Communism are almost identical in their origins and their behaviors?
Just adding my
twocents.gif
to the effect that I watched the special and saw him cover all the above.

Really?!?!?

Oh i gotta search youtube, i'd rather see it full screen though.

If anyone hears of it coming on again let me know please, VIA PM, so I can TIVO it :D
 
Explain how Nazism and Communism are almost identical please. Also I would like your input on our debate about McCarthyism.

is that one for me cold fusion?

I'll make a thread and try to compare them if you want. It will take me a day or so to do it though.

I rushed it but tried to give you an answer. I'll actually put some personal insight into something and post it up for you soon

http://www.usmessageboard.com/educa...sim-all-share-a-common-bond-collectivism.html
 
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Hitler was CATHOLIC and the CATHOLIC church did NOT condemn his attrocities.

If Hitler was truly a Catholic then why did he kill 3 million Catholics along with 6 million Jews?

The Catholic Church did condemn Hitler and was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps.

The Israeli consul, Pinchas E. Lapide, in his book, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 1967) critically examines Pope Pius XII. According to his research, the Catholic Church under Pius XII was instrumental in saving 860,000 Jews from Nazi death camps (p. 214). Could Pius have saved more lives by speaking out more forcefully? According to Lapide, the concentration camp prisoners did not want Pius to speak out openly (p. 247). As one jurist from the Nuremberg Trials said on WNBC in New York (Feb. 28, 1964), "Any words of Pius XII, directed against a madman like Hitler, would have brought on an even worse catastrophe... [and] accelerated the massacre of Jews and priests." (Ibid.) Yet Pius was not totally silent either. Lapide notes a book by the Jewish historian, Jenoe Levai, entitled, The Church Did Not Keep Silent (p. 256). He admits that everyone, including himself, could have done more. If we condemn Pius, then justice would demand condemning everyone else. He concludes by quoting from the Talmud that "whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world." With this he claims that Pius XII deserves a memorial forest of 860,000 trees in the Judean hills (pp. 268-9). It should be noted that six million Jews and three million Catholics were killed in the Holocaust.

We must remember that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian. After Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him. Even the famous Albert Einstein testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said:

Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.


Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust
 
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He didn't just ACCUSE he MIS-used his power for political WITCH HUNTS! I can't BELIEVE you are here DEFENDING McCarthy. WOW just WOW!

How is investigating the extent of communism in America and more importantly, in political office, a misuse of power? Most sane people would realize that Congress should be investigating corruption, espionage, and national security issues. In fact, I think it's part of their job description to UPHOLD the Constitution.

But I suppose youd prefer the political witch hunts into Major League Baseballs steriod use. Because the Senate should be focused on issues such as drug use in baseball and not national security issues for some odd reason.
 
McCarthy made his own issue. At a time when the US went from soviet allies to fear of communism, he was elected as the senator from Wisconsin. he was very popular, and was asked to speak at many public events, republican and democrat. At a speech before a republican women's organization, it is claimed he produced a list of communist sympathizers that worked for the us state dept. There is no know transcript or recording of this speech. The speech went over so well that the rest of the senate wanted to jump on the bandwagon for political gain and put McCarthy in charge of a senate commitee to investigate unamerican activities. He, as chairmen, allowed the hearings to be televised, something that a senator that really believed there was threat to national security would not do. The televised hearings were so successful that many large employers at the time complained they suffered more absenteism than usual because people were staying home from work to watch.
In the end, because of his questioning tv and movie stars, the screen actors guild went after him in the press, even setting him up to fail in the popular view. Reagan played a role in opposing McCarthy.
In the end, McCarthy was censured by the US Senate for conduct violations, and lost his next bid for reelection.
He died of hepatitus in 1957, and his name is used now to describe someone who makes accusations without proof.
Incidently, one of McCarthy's favorite justifications for his actions was the statement, "If you have nothing to hide then you don't have any reason to fear being questioned by my committee."

That statement, or a variation thereof, is the one thing that anyone on any side of the political spectrum can say that will get them labeled a "mcCarthyist".
Actually, slack, it was the House Un-American Activities committee (HUAC) that did the number on Hollywood.

McCarthy's undoing came once he went after the United States Army.
 
Is this special on again soon? I want to watch it and see what he is talking about.

Does hi bring up how Che hated blacks and made TONS of comments about how they should be killed?
Does he bring up the 10's of millions of chinese that Mao, Anita Dunn's hero, starved to death?
Does he bring up stalin's ethnic cleansing where he killed more jews and poor people than hitler ever could have even dreamed of?
Does he bring up the fact that Nazism and Communism are almost identical in their origins and their behaviors?

If he doesn't then his video is lame, if he does i MUST see it.

The video is on youtube and posted in another thread on this topic.
 

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