Hillary says NRA needs a "rival" organization of responsible gun owners

[Kondor3]

...All to have to do is succeed in passing a constitutional amendment...

No need for a new Constitutional Amendment.

The verbiage of the Second Amendment itself will do very nicely.

That's the beauty of it... all that's actually required is...

Interpreting the Second to facilitate the 'regulated' ( 'well' ) aspect of the ultimate National Militia - its citizenry - with respect to firearms

...Or win the civil war you are so treasonously waging...

Advocating for a reinterpretation of a provision of the US Constitution, in accordance with American law and tradition, is not treasonous... it's righteous.

Threatening to fail to abide by appropriate and lawful judicial interpretation of the US Constitution, on the other hand, more closely approximates treason.

...No one, except you Communists, who are shitting on the first and second amendments in your war to end all civil rights.

1. I am a Centrist who votes Republican as often as he votes Democrat; siding with the (R)s on some things; siding with the (D)s on others.

2. My political sympathies have zero bearing - zero - on whether The Militia needs to be 'well regulated', or whether you will obey US law.

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You'll get to keep your guns; unless you're unqualified to have them; by way of felony conviction, mental instability or similar legal and defensible barrier to ownership.

But you'll have to apply-for and be vetted-for and issued a periodically renewable owner's license...

And you'll be obliged to register each firearm you own, and periodically renew that registration.

Not to mention mandatory training (including refresher training once every 5 or 10 years) for each type of firearm you own...

Limits on the number of firearms you may own at one time and limits on the amount of ammo you can buy...

Extremely tight controls on firearm sales, transfers and disposals - subject to audit by law enforcement - with severe penalties for improper secure storage or failing to report a theft or loss in a timely manner.

You (owners, and the industry, and advocates) have had decades to fix this yourselves, and you've failed miserably; failing to adapt the exercising of your (our) right to bear arms, to the public safety needs and firearms technology advances of our present age.

Too many innocents have died because of your negligence and recalcitrance, because access has been so easy and because control has been so lax, that the worst of our society can use firearms to wreak havoc upon the rest of us.

And, this suffering has accelerated, and continues to worsen with each passing mass shooting and with each passing mortality milestone in inner-city $hitholes.

The Nation has reached a tipping point.

The next time the (D)s gain control - and that may be a while, given that the little pansies are running-about clue-less at this point - they are going to take care of this; compelled to succeed rather than fail, as they have so oftentimes failed in the past, as their constituencies force them to rediscover their balls and actually get something done in this context.

The matter is going to be taken out of your hands, and the solution is going to be shoved down your throat - all within a legal framework and making reliance upon the US Constitution.

Enjoy your present 'majority' while it lasts, in this context, because it could very well be your last gasp, defending an unregulated firearms playing field.

Much of the rest of The Nation is determined that we 'grow up' in this respect, and, if need-be, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming and pissing and moaning, into the New Age.

Enjoy contemplating that prospect, because it's coming, whether you like it or not... a matter of "when", not "if".

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

I meant tens of millions. There are approximately 55 million gun owners who own 150 million guns. Id have to say most of those 10's of millions won't give it up. The people that do will be mostly from the NE.

If you are an American citizen, living within its boundaries, then you will submit to American Law - no exceptions - and 99.99999% of Americans will do just that. Sorry.

It’s just great to know we have a second mmendmwnt that makes it very difficult for government to create a strict ban that takes firearms away from resoonsible citizens. I’s Like to see how far Democrats think they can get, without the clear written constitutional process of repealing the second annendment.

Had Hillary been elected, the second (and first) Amendment would already be part of past never to return.

The Stalinists use judicial activism to repeal the Constitution. One more Elena Kagan on the court and the Constitution is done, over, gone forever. This is the goal of the left.

That would only show they don’t know how to follow Constitutional provided direction nor have a knowledgeable interpretation of it. I doubt the progressive judges would like to show themselves as that much of an idiot in doing away with the second amendment.

Immaterial... if the United States decides to regulate its militia - well - you will conform to its laws - all within the boundaries of the Constitution.

All your hopes and belief in regulations to forbid the people their right to own guns is irrelevant ... without going through the clear instructions of the Constitutional process of amending the second amendment.

After all ... “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed” is written in pure simple English, not Greek

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

I meant tens of millions. There are approximately 55 million gun owners who own 150 million guns. Id have to say most of those 10's of millions won't give it up. The people that do will be mostly from the NE.

If you are an American citizen, living within its boundaries, then you will submit to American Law - no exceptions - and 99.99999% of Americans will do just that. Sorry.

It’s just great to know we have a second mmendmwnt that makes it very difficult for government to create a strict ban that takes firearms away from resoonsible citizens. I’s Like to see how far Democrats think they can get, without the clear written constitutional process of repealing the second annendment.

Had Hillary been elected, the second (and first) Amendment would already be part of past never to return.

The Stalinists use judicial activism to repeal the Constitution. One more Elena Kagan on the court and the Constitution is done, over, gone forever. This is the goal of the left.

That would only show they don’t know how to follow Constitutional provided direction nor have a knowledgeable interpretation of it. I doubt the progressive judges would like to show themselves as that much of an idiot in doing away with the second amendment.

Have Kagan and Ginsburg not already shown themselves this openly hostile to the Constitution? It is not "ignorance" that leads these Marxists to openly shit on the Constitution, it is contempt.

Not without enacting Article III Section 1 which Republicans can do. Trust me, there are plenty of citizens that would protest Washington DC if the progressives decided to infringe upon the people’s rights.

There is also Article V which is an Amendments Convention, called for by two-thirds (currently 34) of the states legislatures. This is one of two processes authorized by Article 5 of the United States Constitution, whereby through the Constitution the nation's frame of government may be altered. Currently Republicans are VERY close in securing 2/3s of the states among the state legislatures, as a lot of the states went Republican.

I understand there will be progressives who believe the legislature or the Supreme Court has a right to take away the rights of citizens to bear arms. However there is nowhere in the Constitution that supports that. That is why the people, as well as the majority of states have the Constitutional power and control over the Federal government as outlined and proven above. I wouldn’t expect your far left liberal to be well versed in the United States Constitution.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No need for a new Constitutional Amendment.

The verbiage of the Second Amendment itself will do very nicely.

That's the beauty of it... all that's actually required is...

Interpreting the Second to facilitate the 'regulated' ( 'well' ) aspect of the ultimate National Militia - its citizenry - with respect to firearms

The right of the people shall not be infringed, Comrade.

Further my little Stalinist buddy, "well regulated" in fact means "well armed."

Advocating for a reinterpretation of a provision of the US Constitution, in accordance with American law and tradition, is not treasonous... it's righteous.

Threatening to fail to abide by appropriate and lawful judicial interpretation of the US Constitution, on the other hand, more closely approximates treason.

We have a republic and Constitution, not the dictatorship you advocate for. Further, you failed to get the Marxist in the SCOTUS you sought. You will not have the court declaring the Bill of Rights "unconstitutional" as you dreamed.

1. I am a Centrist who votes Republican as often as he votes Democrat; siding with the (R)s on some things; siding with the (D)s on others.

Yes, and elephants fly.

2. My political sympathies have zero bearing - zero - on whether The Militia needs to be 'well regulated', or whether you will obey US law.

You are a Marxist seeking to revoke civil liberties and crush the American Republic - fact.

You'll get to keep your guns; unless you're unqualified to have them; by way of felony conviction, mental instability or similar legal and defensible barrier to ownership.

But you'll have to apply-for and be vetted-for and issued a periodically renewable owner's license...

And you'll be obliged to register each firearm you own, and periodically renew that registration.

Not to mention mandatory training (including refresher training once every 5 or 10 years) for each type of firearm you own...

Limits on the number of firearms you may own at one time and limits on the amount of ammo you can buy...

Extremely tight controls on firearm sales, transfers and disposals - subject to audit by law enforcement - with severe penalties for improper secure storage or failing to report a theft or loss in a timely manner.

You (owners, and the industry, and advocates) have had decades to fix this yourselves, and you've failed miserably; failing to adapt the exercising of your (our) right to bear arms, to the public safety needs and firearms technology advances of our present age.

Too many innocents have died because of your negligence and recalcitrance, because access has been so easy and because control has been so lax, that the worst of our society can use firearms to wreak havoc upon the rest of us.

And, this suffering has accelerated, and continues to worsen with each passing mass shooting and with each passing mortality milestone in inner-city $hitholes.

The Nation has reached a tipping point.

The next time the (D)s gain control - and that may be a while, given that the little pansies are running-about clue-less at this point - they are going to take care of this; compelled to succeed rather than fail, as they have so oftentimes failed in the past, as their constituencies force them to rediscover their balls and actually get something done in this context.

The matter is going to be taken out of your hands, and the solution is going to be shoved down your throat - all within a legal framework and making reliance upon the US Constitution.

Enjoy your present 'majority' while it lasts, in this context, because it could very well be your last gasp, defending an unregulated firearms playing field.

Much of the rest of The Nation is determined that we 'grow up' in this respect, and, if need-be, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming and pissing and moaning, into the New Age.

Enjoy contemplating that prospect, because it's coming, whether you like it or not... a matter of "when", not "if".

I assume Comrade that "unqualified" are those who voted for Donald Trump, or who hold religious faith, or are white?

You will have to take up arms and win a civil war, the treason you engage in will have to go beyond words Comrade. You have underestimated we normals at every turn. You think we will say "yep, you can burn the bill of rights because you're just so cool."

Not going to happen Comrade. Americans are MORE, not less dedicated to preserving the second amendment, and the rest of the bill of rights which you seek to crush.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

 

[Uncensored2008]

All your hopes and belief in regulations to forbid the people their right to own guns is irrelevant ... without going through the clear instructions of the Constitutional process of amending the second amendment.

After all ... “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed” is written in pure simple English, not Greek

Yeah, but Al Franken wrote on DailyKOS that "NUHN UYNH, Americans aren't either the people." And you know, a moral giant like that is always right...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

Adopted? You said the .223 was created for the M16?

Edit: Comrade, your WIKI link specifically states the round is .22 caliber.

 

[BULLDOG]

No need for a new Constitutional Amendment.

The verbiage of the Second Amendment itself will do very nicely.

That's the beauty of it... all that's actually required is...

Interpreting the Second to facilitate the 'regulated' ( 'well' ) aspect of the ultimate National Militia - its citizenry - with respect to firearms

The right of the people shall not be infringed, Comrade.

Further my little Stalinist buddy, "well regulated" in fact means "well armed."

Advocating for a reinterpretation of a provision of the US Constitution, in accordance with American law and tradition, is not treasonous... it's righteous.

Threatening to fail to abide by appropriate and lawful judicial interpretation of the US Constitution, on the other hand, more closely approximates treason.

We have a republic and Constitution, not the dictatorship you advocate for. Further, you failed to get the Marxist in the SCOTUS you sought. You will not have the court declaring the Bill of Rights "unconstitutional" as you dreamed.

1. I am a Centrist who votes Republican as often as he votes Democrat; siding with the (R)s on some things; siding with the (D)s on others.

Yes, and elephants fly.

2. My political sympathies have zero bearing - zero - on whether The Militia needs to be 'well regulated', or whether you will obey US law.

You are a Marxist seeking to revoke civil liberties and crush the American Republic - fact.

You'll get to keep your guns; unless you're unqualified to have them; by way of felony conviction, mental instability or similar legal and defensible barrier to ownership.

But you'll have to apply-for and be vetted-for and issued a periodically renewable owner's license...

And you'll be obliged to register each firearm you own, and periodically renew that registration.

Not to mention mandatory training (including refresher training once every 5 or 10 years) for each type of firearm you own...

Limits on the number of firearms you may own at one time and limits on the amount of ammo you can buy...

Extremely tight controls on firearm sales, transfers and disposals - subject to audit by law enforcement - with severe penalties for improper secure storage or failing to report a theft or loss in a timely manner.

You (owners, and the industry, and advocates) have had decades to fix this yourselves, and you've failed miserably; failing to adapt the exercising of your (our) right to bear arms, to the public safety needs and firearms technology advances of our present age.

Too many innocents have died because of your negligence and recalcitrance, because access has been so easy and because control has been so lax, that the worst of our society can use firearms to wreak havoc upon the rest of us.

And, this suffering has accelerated, and continues to worsen with each passing mass shooting and with each passing mortality milestone in inner-city $hitholes.

The Nation has reached a tipping point.

The next time the (D)s gain control - and that may be a while, given that the little pansies are running-about clue-less at this point - they are going to take care of this; compelled to succeed rather than fail, as they have so oftentimes failed in the past, as their constituencies force them to rediscover their balls and actually get something done in this context.

The matter is going to be taken out of your hands, and the solution is going to be shoved down your throat - all within a legal framework and making reliance upon the US Constitution.

Enjoy your present 'majority' while it lasts, in this context, because it could very well be your last gasp, defending an unregulated firearms playing field.

Much of the rest of The Nation is determined that we 'grow up' in this respect, and, if need-be, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming and pissing and moaning, into the New Age.

Enjoy contemplating that prospect, because it's coming, whether you like it or not... a matter of "when", not "if".

I assume Comrade that "unqualified" are those who voted for Donald Trump, or who hold religious faith, or are white?

You will have to take up arms and win a civil war, the treason you engage in will have to go beyond words Comrade. You have underestimated we normals at every turn. You think we will say "yep, you can burn the bill of rights because you're just so cool."

Not going to happen Comrade. Americans are MORE, not less dedicated to preserving the second amendment, and the rest of the bill of rights which you seek to crush.

Regulated and armed aren't the same thing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

Adopted? You said the .223 was created for the M16?

No need for a new Constitutional Amendment.

The verbiage of the Second Amendment itself will do very nicely.

That's the beauty of it... all that's actually required is...

Interpreting the Second to facilitate the 'regulated' ( 'well' ) aspect of the ultimate National Militia - its citizenry - with respect to firearms

The right of the people shall not be infringed, Comrade.

Further my little Stalinist buddy, "well regulated" in fact means "well armed."

Advocating for a reinterpretation of a provision of the US Constitution, in accordance with American law and tradition, is not treasonous... it's righteous.

Threatening to fail to abide by appropriate and lawful judicial interpretation of the US Constitution, on the other hand, more closely approximates treason.

We have a republic and Constitution, not the dictatorship you advocate for. Further, you failed to get the Marxist in the SCOTUS you sought. You will not have the court declaring the Bill of Rights "unconstitutional" as you dreamed.

1. I am a Centrist who votes Republican as often as he votes Democrat; siding with the (R)s on some things; siding with the (D)s on others.

Yes, and elephants fly.

2. My political sympathies have zero bearing - zero - on whether The Militia needs to be 'well regulated', or whether you will obey US law.

You are a Marxist seeking to revoke civil liberties and crush the American Republic - fact.

You'll get to keep your guns; unless you're unqualified to have them; by way of felony conviction, mental instability or similar legal and defensible barrier to ownership.

But you'll have to apply-for and be vetted-for and issued a periodically renewable owner's license...

And you'll be obliged to register each firearm you own, and periodically renew that registration.

Not to mention mandatory training (including refresher training once every 5 or 10 years) for each type of firearm you own...

Limits on the number of firearms you may own at one time and limits on the amount of ammo you can buy...

Extremely tight controls on firearm sales, transfers and disposals - subject to audit by law enforcement - with severe penalties for improper secure storage or failing to report a theft or loss in a timely manner.

You (owners, and the industry, and advocates) have had decades to fix this yourselves, and you've failed miserably; failing to adapt the exercising of your (our) right to bear arms, to the public safety needs and firearms technology advances of our present age.

Too many innocents have died because of your negligence and recalcitrance, because access has been so easy and because control has been so lax, that the worst of our society can use firearms to wreak havoc upon the rest of us.

And, this suffering has accelerated, and continues to worsen with each passing mass shooting and with each passing mortality milestone in inner-city $hitholes.

The Nation has reached a tipping point.

The next time the (D)s gain control - and that may be a while, given that the little pansies are running-about clue-less at this point - they are going to take care of this; compelled to succeed rather than fail, as they have so oftentimes failed in the past, as their constituencies force them to rediscover their balls and actually get something done in this context.

The matter is going to be taken out of your hands, and the solution is going to be shoved down your throat - all within a legal framework and making reliance upon the US Constitution.

Enjoy your present 'majority' while it lasts, in this context, because it could very well be your last gasp, defending an unregulated firearms playing field.

Much of the rest of The Nation is determined that we 'grow up' in this respect, and, if need-be, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming and pissing and moaning, into the New Age.

Enjoy contemplating that prospect, because it's coming, whether you like it or not... a matter of "when", not "if".

I assume Comrade that "unqualified" are those who voted for Donald Trump, or who hold religious faith, or are white?

You will have to take up arms and win a civil war, the treason you engage in will have to go beyond words Comrade. You have underestimated we normals at every turn. You think we will say "yep, you can burn the bill of rights because you're just so cool."

Not going to happen Comrade. Americans are MORE, not less dedicated to preserving the second amendment, and the rest of the bill of rights which you seek to crush.

Regulated and armed aren't the same thing.

{

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.}

Meaning of the phrase

Communism is a perversion of thought, insofar as you Stalinists actually engage in such.

Your fellow Bolsheviks have tried for eons to strip Americans of rights, do you honestly think Soros and your other rulers are more clever liars than the scum of your party who preceded them?

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

Hillary says a lot of crazy shit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The democrats already have their own rival to the NRA....

ISIS

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

Adopted? You said the .223 was created for the M16?

Edit: Comrade, your WIKI link specifically states the round is .22 caliber.

If you want to believe the ammunition below is the same, then go ahead.

 

[Kondor3]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

Adopted? You said the .223 was created for the M16?

No need for a new Constitutional Amendment.

The verbiage of the Second Amendment itself will do very nicely.

That's the beauty of it... all that's actually required is...

Interpreting the Second to facilitate the 'regulated' ( 'well' ) aspect of the ultimate National Militia - its citizenry - with respect to firearms

The right of the people shall not be infringed, Comrade.

Further my little Stalinist buddy, "well regulated" in fact means "well armed."

Advocating for a reinterpretation of a provision of the US Constitution, in accordance with American law and tradition, is not treasonous... it's righteous.

Threatening to fail to abide by appropriate and lawful judicial interpretation of the US Constitution, on the other hand, more closely approximates treason.

We have a republic and Constitution, not the dictatorship you advocate for. Further, you failed to get the Marxist in the SCOTUS you sought. You will not have the court declaring the Bill of Rights "unconstitutional" as you dreamed.

1. I am a Centrist who votes Republican as often as he votes Democrat; siding with the (R)s on some things; siding with the (D)s on others.

Yes, and elephants fly.

2. My political sympathies have zero bearing - zero - on whether The Militia needs to be 'well regulated', or whether you will obey US law.

You are a Marxist seeking to revoke civil liberties and crush the American Republic - fact.

You'll get to keep your guns; unless you're unqualified to have them; by way of felony conviction, mental instability or similar legal and defensible barrier to ownership.

But you'll have to apply-for and be vetted-for and issued a periodically renewable owner's license...

And you'll be obliged to register each firearm you own, and periodically renew that registration.

Not to mention mandatory training (including refresher training once every 5 or 10 years) for each type of firearm you own...

Limits on the number of firearms you may own at one time and limits on the amount of ammo you can buy...

Extremely tight controls on firearm sales, transfers and disposals - subject to audit by law enforcement - with severe penalties for improper secure storage or failing to report a theft or loss in a timely manner.

You (owners, and the industry, and advocates) have had decades to fix this yourselves, and you've failed miserably; failing to adapt the exercising of your (our) right to bear arms, to the public safety needs and firearms technology advances of our present age.

Too many innocents have died because of your negligence and recalcitrance, because access has been so easy and because control has been so lax, that the worst of our society can use firearms to wreak havoc upon the rest of us.

And, this suffering has accelerated, and continues to worsen with each passing mass shooting and with each passing mortality milestone in inner-city $hitholes.

The Nation has reached a tipping point.

The next time the (D)s gain control - and that may be a while, given that the little pansies are running-about clue-less at this point - they are going to take care of this; compelled to succeed rather than fail, as they have so oftentimes failed in the past, as their constituencies force them to rediscover their balls and actually get something done in this context.

The matter is going to be taken out of your hands, and the solution is going to be shoved down your throat - all within a legal framework and making reliance upon the US Constitution.

Enjoy your present 'majority' while it lasts, in this context, because it could very well be your last gasp, defending an unregulated firearms playing field.

Much of the rest of The Nation is determined that we 'grow up' in this respect, and, if need-be, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming and pissing and moaning, into the New Age.

Enjoy contemplating that prospect, because it's coming, whether you like it or not... a matter of "when", not "if".

I assume Comrade that "unqualified" are those who voted for Donald Trump, or who hold religious faith, or are white?

You will have to take up arms and win a civil war, the treason you engage in will have to go beyond words Comrade. You have underestimated we normals at every turn. You think we will say "yep, you can burn the bill of rights because you're just so cool."

Not going to happen Comrade. Americans are MORE, not less dedicated to preserving the second amendment, and the rest of the bill of rights which you seek to crush.

Regulated and armed aren't the same thing.

{

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.}

Meaning of the phrase

Communism is a perversion of thought, insofar as you Stalinists actually engage in such.

Your fellow Bolsheviks have tried for eons to strip Americans of rights, do you honestly think Soros and your other rulers are more clever liars than the scum of your party who preceded them?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

Adopted? You said the .223 was created for the M16?

Edit: Comrade, your WIKI link specifically states the round is .22 caliber.

If you want to believe the ammunition below is the same, then go ahead.

Comrade; which of these is not a .45

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes, I understand diameter. Your lying implication was that there was no difference between a ,22 which is just a small varmint shell and a .223 which was specifically designed to be used in combat with an M16.

The only one lying is you Comrade. A .223 IS a .22 - fact.

That you and your fellow Maoists seek to create a fantasy in your war on civil rights is irrelevant. An AR15 fires a .22 caliber slug, simple fact. That it doesn't fit with the demagoguery you spread means nothing.,.

And no Comrade, the .223 was not created for the M16, which fires a NATO 5.56 mm round. The .223 is and always was a civilian round, a small caliber round.

In 1964 the .223 Rem cartridge was adopted for use in the Colt M16 riflewhich became an alternate standard rifle of the U.S. Army. The military version of the cartridge uses a 55 gr full metal jacket boattail design and was designated M193. In 1980 NATO modified the .223 Remington into a new design which is designated 5.56×45mm NATO type SS109.[5]
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

Adopted? You said the .223 was created for the M16?

No need for a new Constitutional Amendment.

The verbiage of the Second Amendment itself will do very nicely.

That's the beauty of it... all that's actually required is...

Interpreting the Second to facilitate the 'regulated' ( 'well' ) aspect of the ultimate National Militia - its citizenry - with respect to firearms

The right of the people shall not be infringed, Comrade.

Further my little Stalinist buddy, "well regulated" in fact means "well armed."

Advocating for a reinterpretation of a provision of the US Constitution, in accordance with American law and tradition, is not treasonous... it's righteous.

Threatening to fail to abide by appropriate and lawful judicial interpretation of the US Constitution, on the other hand, more closely approximates treason.

We have a republic and Constitution, not the dictatorship you advocate for. Further, you failed to get the Marxist in the SCOTUS you sought. You will not have the court declaring the Bill of Rights "unconstitutional" as you dreamed.

1. I am a Centrist who votes Republican as often as he votes Democrat; siding with the (R)s on some things; siding with the (D)s on others.

Yes, and elephants fly.

2. My political sympathies have zero bearing - zero - on whether The Militia needs to be 'well regulated', or whether you will obey US law.

You are a Marxist seeking to revoke civil liberties and crush the American Republic - fact.

You'll get to keep your guns; unless you're unqualified to have them; by way of felony conviction, mental instability or similar legal and defensible barrier to ownership.

But you'll have to apply-for and be vetted-for and issued a periodically renewable owner's license...

And you'll be obliged to register each firearm you own, and periodically renew that registration.

Not to mention mandatory training (including refresher training once every 5 or 10 years) for each type of firearm you own...

Limits on the number of firearms you may own at one time and limits on the amount of ammo you can buy...

Extremely tight controls on firearm sales, transfers and disposals - subject to audit by law enforcement - with severe penalties for improper secure storage or failing to report a theft or loss in a timely manner.

You (owners, and the industry, and advocates) have had decades to fix this yourselves, and you've failed miserably; failing to adapt the exercising of your (our) right to bear arms, to the public safety needs and firearms technology advances of our present age.

Too many innocents have died because of your negligence and recalcitrance, because access has been so easy and because control has been so lax, that the worst of our society can use firearms to wreak havoc upon the rest of us.

And, this suffering has accelerated, and continues to worsen with each passing mass shooting and with each passing mortality milestone in inner-city $hitholes.

The Nation has reached a tipping point.

The next time the (D)s gain control - and that may be a while, given that the little pansies are running-about clue-less at this point - they are going to take care of this; compelled to succeed rather than fail, as they have so oftentimes failed in the past, as their constituencies force them to rediscover their balls and actually get something done in this context.

The matter is going to be taken out of your hands, and the solution is going to be shoved down your throat - all within a legal framework and making reliance upon the US Constitution.

Enjoy your present 'majority' while it lasts, in this context, because it could very well be your last gasp, defending an unregulated firearms playing field.

Much of the rest of The Nation is determined that we 'grow up' in this respect, and, if need-be, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming and pissing and moaning, into the New Age.

Enjoy contemplating that prospect, because it's coming, whether you like it or not... a matter of "when", not "if".

I assume Comrade that "unqualified" are those who voted for Donald Trump, or who hold religious faith, or are white?

You will have to take up arms and win a civil war, the treason you engage in will have to go beyond words Comrade. You have underestimated we normals at every turn. You think we will say "yep, you can burn the bill of rights because you're just so cool."

Not going to happen Comrade. Americans are MORE, not less dedicated to preserving the second amendment, and the rest of the bill of rights which you seek to crush.

Regulated and armed aren't the same thing.

{

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.}

Meaning of the phrase

Communism is a perversion of thought, insofar as you Stalinists actually engage in such.

Your fellow Bolsheviks have tried for eons to strip Americans of rights, do you honestly think Soros and your other rulers are more clever liars than the scum of your party who preceded them?

Comrade, you live in a fantasy gulag.

 

[Kondor3]

Comrade, you live in a fantasy gulag.

Please continue to delude yourself that nationwide standards and enforcement are not in your future... that'll make your Wake-Up all the more hilarious.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Comrade, you live in a fantasy gulag.

Please continue to delude yourself that nationwide standards and enforcement are not in your future... that'll make your Wake-Up all the more hilarious.

You Stalinists have pushed this for 50 years, and instead of confiscation and the crushing of civil rights, what have you achieved?


Concealed carry firearm permits hit new all-time high



Your evil intent is real, but your competence is lagging.

Sorry son, no cultural revolution for you, not right now.

 

[Kondor3]

...You Stalinists have pushed this for 50 years, and instead of confiscation and the crushing of civil rights, what have you achieved?...

Sit down, clown.

Nobody is talking about confiscation; at least, not outside the boundaries of violations of law or exceeding of sensible limits on the number of weapons one person can own.

...Concealed carry firearm permits hit new all-time high ...

That's odd... so have gun-related deaths.

...Your evil intent is real...

There is no evil in advocating to work within a Constitutional framework to regulate firearms licensing and registration and ownership in order to curb out-of-control violence.

...but your competence is lagging....

Incorrect... it's not competence that Gun Control Advocates lack... it's (1) a Majority and (2) the balls to do something WITH that Majority, once re-acquired.

...Sorry son, no cultural revolution for you, not right now.

The crafting and implementation and enforcement of appropriate Gun Control standards and measures on a national basis is not a 'cultural revolution'.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sit down, clown.

Nobody is talking about confiscation; at least, not outside the boundaries of violations of law or exceeding of sensible limits on the number of weapons one person can own.
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Lying again, huh?

Boston Globe: It's Time To Consider Gun Confiscation

Well, you are a Communist, hence you are devoid of even a shred of integrity.

That's odd... so have gun-related deaths.

Have what? Are you lying that per capita gun deaths have increased?

You may well be a stupid liar, you are a Communist, but still..

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

You lying pile of shit.

There is no evil in advocating to work within a Constitutional framework to regulate firearms licensing and registration and ownership in order to curb out-of-control violence

How does one revoke the constitution whilst working "within a Constitutional framework ?"

The Constitution is clear Comrade, "shall not be infringed."

Incorrect... it's not competence that Gun Control Advocates lack... it's (1) a Majority and (2) the balls to do something WITH that Majority, once re-acquired.

Again, you Marxist scum have waged war on civil rights for 50 years. You have NEVER won legislative victories, and have depended on scofflaw judges to create illegal laws that the legislature would never dare attempt.\

The crafting and implementation and enforcement of appropriate Gun Control standards and measures on a national basis is not a 'cultural revolution'.

"appropriate" revocation of Constitutional rights is an oxymoron, Comrade.

You do a touch down dance, despite your flawless record of losses. You have no grasp of reality.