Hickenlooper blows it in CA, gets booed

[Mac1958]

Capitalism has turned a lot of people off, and is in trouble, in part because today's conservatives have wrecked it with their goofy, ignorant, simplistic pseudo-libertarian approach to it. The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked out socio-economics. Thanks, wingers.

You're welcome traitor.

Yes, I know. If I'm not a Trumpster, I'm a radical pinko commie Stalinist Marxist Nazi socialist Hitler commie commie traitor.

How simple your world is! That's cool!

And thanks for self-identifying for me like that!
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[dblack]

Capitalism has turned a lot of people off, and is in trouble, in part because today's conservatives have wrecked it with their goofy, ignorant, simplistic pseudo-libertarian approach to it. The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked out socio-economics. Thanks, wingers.

You're welcome traitor.

Yes, I know. If I'm not a Trumpster, I'm a radical pinko commie Stalinist Marxist Nazi socialist Hitler commie commie traitor.

How simple your world is! That's cool!

And thanks for self-identifying for me like that!

The partisan mind is a simple place.

 

[miketx]

Capitalism has turned a lot of people off, and is in trouble, in part because today's conservatives have wrecked it with their goofy, ignorant, simplistic pseudo-libertarian approach to it. The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked out socio-economics. Thanks, wingers.

You're welcome traitor.

Yes, I know. If I'm not a Trumpster, I'm a radical pinko commie Stalinist Marxist Nazi socialist Hitler commie commie traitor.

How simple your world is! That's cool!

And thanks for self-identifying for me like that!
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A deranged parrot.

 

[Mac1958]

And thanks for self-identifying for me like that!

A deranged parrot.

Um, agreed.


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[JoeB131]

And thanks for self-identifying for me like that!

A deranged parrot.

Um, agreed.


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Mike, you are getting this all wrong. You need to tell Vichy Mac he is the smartest, bestest guy in the room, so much smarter than all you mean old partisans.

 

[miketx]

And thanks for self-identifying for me like that!

A deranged parrot.

Um, agreed.


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Mike, you are getting this all wrong. You need to tell Vichy Mac he is the smartest, bestest guy in the room, so much smarter than all you mean old partisans.

You need to pound sand.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Works for me.

I kind of want to know if the person I'm dealing with is trying to cheat me, and I want recourse if he tries.

That's why you have government, at least in part, to enforce standards and contracts.

You completely ignored the consequences, and the fact that it doesn't work. I suppose that's the only way for you to stay true to your inconsistent and nonsensical ideology.

The Government does not enforce standards, it writes opinions on paper then sends road pirates after you for not following said opinions. I also already demonstrated that regulations just promote monopolies, something you continue to ignore because you're a dishonest, illiterate snake.

Businesses are already incentivized to follow through on contracts and to provide honest service, there's no demand for dishonest service, and in the absence of Government, they'd be at the mercy of their consumers. This is one of the reasons I mentioned regulations, barring entry into the market, and regulations, those all subvert consumer choice in order to protect dishonest business practices, which would cause a business to go under due to nobody wanting to be cheated or given poor service. You only need ask yourself if you'd purchase service from a business that has cheated people.

But again, did consumers make that decision, or was that decision made for us? The real problem was that with VHS and DVD, people could make copies of movies and just distribute them to their friends. That's why the movie companies have worked so hard to put them out of business.

People made that decision, you probably didn't notice because of your blinders, but no business took its place. Because no business took its place to offer stores for movie rentals, there was no demand. Aside from the Government barring entry into the market through regulations, there's nothing making COMPLETELY impossible, just almost impossible, to start up such a business. If there was a demand for Block Buster, there would have been a new business to take its place, people otherwise would have been leaving money on the table.

False, people can make copies, yes, however if that were enough to make movies unprofitable, there would have been no movie industry OR video game industry. There has always been a way to pirate games and movies, such as the Magic Slide, Mod Chip, R4, Emulators, Roms, and for PC people can literally just pirate the game by torrenting it. The problem with assuming that this eliminates the market is that you're overlooking the fact that there is still a demand for such things. People still, after choosing to pirate a game and enjoying it, will support the business if they want more games like it. Kickstarter shows this, as well as Steam. Anything on Steam can be pirated, yet businesses still put their products on Steam for people to buy, because they support it if they enjoyed it, and will want more.

In fact, Kickstarter showed that even before people have had a chance to play a game, they will still support it. Mighty Number 9 was trash-tier, and people still dumped money into it to have it made.

Um, yeah, we were talking about the tobacco industry, which formulated their products to be more addictive and then marketed them to children. Putting a stop to that was ethical, but the market forces weren't going to do it. It took big ass lawsuits and regulation.

Citation needed.

Studies showed that Tobacco marketed INFLUENCED kids, not that it was geared towards kids. Even if they were marketing to kids, once again, people are free to stop purchasing the products at any time, and there are entire industries to help people stop smoking. Not only this, but people are fully aware, by now, that it's unhealthy, so they're completely free to hurt themselves if they desire.

You must have missed the part where people still smoke regardless of regulations, and their kids still obtain them from their parents. Regulations do not stop people from doing drugs, as you can see from the thriving black market on drugs. Or are you totally blind? Also, the government files lawsuits against businesses regardless of whether the action is "ethical" or not, as can be seen from FDR filing numerous lawsuits against businesses for not hiring enough people, while he was regulating and taxing them to hell.

Lastly, the Government can not, and has never, done anything ethical, because their actions are all fueled by coercion. Even if, hypothetically, the Government would have been ethical in attacking the Tobacco industry, preventing paying customers from voluntarily exchanging the fruits of their labor with a willing distributor, which is not ethical at all, their actions are coercive and fueled by coercion.

Fetuses aren't children, and as long as they are in a woman's body, it's HER choice.

Fetuses are human, as they can't be any other species, they are a stage in human development, just like Toddler and Adult are. Saying they're not children is Special Pleading, making your argument objectively wrong, but dishonest and fallacious at best.

Secondly, one person cannot own another person, therefor it's not her choice whether the child lives or dies, the child owns itself and it's therefor its own choice whether it wants to live or die. Since the child is not old enough to consent to being killed, it would need to make that choice when it is developed enough to understand the decision.

Also, as I said, since the mother is the active party, as being born is passive, the mother must prove wrongdoing on the part of the child. The child cannot commit wrongdoing, therefor the mother cannot prove wrongdoing on the part of the child. Abortion is, therefor, completely unethical.

Actually, it works just fine in all the Western Democracies.... We Americans haven't gotten with the program because we've let people like the Koch Brothers fill empty heads like yours with stupid ideas about "Freedom", which usually means those with money abusing those of us with less money.

Apparently everything I said went over your head, and the best you have is 'It works because I said so'. Government on its own is already unsustainable, inherently, Socialism only makes the Government collapse faster due to Social Programs and the increasing population size. I also already pointed out earlier that Social Programs encourage people to do less, and discourages failure, while also driving off businesses. Which part of this Paragraph is bouncing off your thick skull?

Koch Brothers? Which part of "I'm an Anarchist, I support no parties or rulers" is so confusing to you? I hate Politicians, Government, and Political Parties of all kinds, and I support none of them. This is the nature of Agorism.

Freedom isn't a stupid idea, and in fact, Nations with more economic freedom tend to do better, across the board.

Just to be clear, your paragraph here is; Blanket statement with no explanatory power, Appeal to Popularity, and Appeal to Emotion.

 

[JoeB131]

You completely ignored the consequences, and the fact that it doesn't work. I suppose that's the only way for you to stay true to your inconsistent and nonsensical ideology.

The Government does not enforce standards, it writes opinions on paper then sends road pirates after you for not following said opinions. I also already demonstrated that regulations just promote monopolies, something you continue to ignore because you're a dishonest, illiterate snake.

Hey, Hentai-wanker, your Libertarian stupidity is getting kind of boring. "Road Pirates"? Really, this is what keeps you up, that cops and bureaucrats do their jobs?

Fetuses are human, as they can't be any other species, they are a stage in human development, just like Toddler and Adult are. Saying they're not children is Special Pleading, making your argument objectively wrong, but dishonest and fallacious at best.

No, they aren't viable, therefore not children... Done. This wasn't complicated.

Secondly, one person cannot own another person, therefor it's not her choice whether the child lives or dies, the child owns itself and it's therefor its own choice whether it wants to live or die.

People have owned other people for most of human history. As long as a fetus is a parasite in a woman's womb, it's her choice to get rid of it.

 

[JoeB131]

Koch Brothers? Which part of "I'm an Anarchist, I support no parties or rulers" is so confusing to you? I hate Politicians, Government, and Political Parties of all kinds, and I support none of them. This is the nature of Agorism.

Okay, whatever... some of us live in the real world. I mean, it's nice to be a parasite and live on someone else's couch... but most of us have to get about doing business.

 

[miketx]

Koch Brothers? Which part of "I'm an Anarchist, I support no parties or rulers" is so confusing to you? I hate Politicians, Government, and Political Parties of all kinds, and I support none of them. This is the nature of Agorism.

Okay, whatever... some of us live in the real world. I mean, it's nice to be a parasite and live on someone else's couch... but most of us have to get about doing business.

Disgusting animal.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Hey, Hentai-wanker, your Libertarian stupidity is getting kind of boring. "Road Pirates"? Really, this is what keeps you up, that cops and bureaucrats do their jobs?

Saying that someone is "doing their job" doesn't mean anything. A Mafioso who murders someone has still committed an unethical act. Likewise, theft, murder, and kidnapping are still unethical, regardless of who is doing it, because the action itself is what's unethical.

City Rules Cops Who Executed Sleeping Man, Shooting Him 55 Times in 3 Seconds, 'Acted Reasonably'
So when something like this happens, it's not considered totally fine because someone who is working for Government, or who calls themselves Government, is the one who took that action.

Also, the term "Road Pirates" is completely accurate, they pull people over on a whim and steal their money.

No, they aren't viable, therefore not children... Done. This wasn't complicated.

No, it's not complicated, making it more amazing that you're unable to comprehend it. Whether or not someone can live without assistance does not determine personhood, that's ALSO Special Pleading. It would also mean anyone on life support is not a person. All humans are self-owning agents, thus the child owns itself.

People have owned other people for most of human history. As long as a fetus is a parasite in a woman's womb, it's her choice to get rid of it.

Appeal to tradition fallacy, even if that were correct. Someone having owned slaves before does not mean they were ethical in doing so. Besides, people demonstrate self-ownership with every single action they take with their bodies. For example, you demonstrate self-ownership by typing your objectively dishonest and blatantly false information, even if you do refuse to think for yourself. I demonstrate self-ownership by typing this post. Humans all demonstrate self-ownership, which makes all humans self-owning agents, and likewise, the child being human as it can't be any other species, is also a self-owning agent, thus subject to the same ethics as all of the rest of us, therefor the mother who is taking the active position in choosing to terminate the child holds the burden of proof. The action is objectively unethical, and objectively murder.

If this is still flying over your head, as it likely is, I can attempt to use smaller words, I understand your english comprehension skills are that of a first grader.

Okay, whatever... some of us live in the real world. I mean, it's nice to be a parasite and live on someone else's couch... but most of us have to get about doing business.

Pure projection. In this very discussion, you stated that you support literal theft through the Government, and poorly reallocating that stolen property to other people.

 

[Mac1958]

A little more for those who are stuck pretending that the Meltdown was caused by the CRA.

This is one of the hearings that took place afterwards, in which the CEO's of the big banks were compelled to explain what the hell happened.

You'll notice that none of them tried to blame the CRA. They knew they wouldn't get away with it. They all admit that their risk management was lousy, that they were over-leveraged to a comical degree, that they had to put the brakes on the shit they were pushing.

How did they get away with the horrific shit they pulled? They were under-regulated. It was the Wild West and they ran with it. They created shit, blackmailed the ratings agencies to give those shit securities AAA ratings, and even bet against the shit they were selling. And Greenspan and the others refused to regulate them.

Educate yourself. Watch this. This is reality. Talk radio is not.
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