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Canada May Be 3rd Nation to OK Gay Unions
By BETH DUFF-BROWN
Associated Press Writer

June 28, 2005, 2:51 PM EDT

TORONTO -- Canada is set to become the third country to legalize gay marriage, with Parliament likely to pass landmark legislation Tuesday despite strong opposition from Conservatives and religious leaders.

Although gay marriage already is legal in seven provinces, the bill would grant all same-sex couples in Canada the same legal rights as those in traditional heterosexual unions. The Netherlands and Belgium already allow gay marriage.

The legislation, drafted by Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority government, needs at least 155 members of the House of Commons to gain a majority of the 308-seat House. While some of his Liberal lawmakers have said they will not back the legislation, enough allies in other parties have indicated they would support the bill when it comes to a vote.

There are an estimated 34,000 gay and lesbian couples in Canada, according to government statistics.

"I think this is going to be a proud and exciting day to be a Canadian because we are, once again, affirming to the world that we are a country that is open, inclusive and welcoming," said Alex Munter, national coordinator of Canadians for Equal Marriage, a group that has led the debate for the legislation.

"This is a victory for Canadian values."

Martin, a Roman Catholic, has said that despite anyone's personal beliefs, all Canadians should be granted the same rights to marriage.

"I rise in support of a Canada in which liberties are safeguarded, rights are protected and the people of this land are treated as equals under the law," Martin told the House of Commons.

Churches have expressed concern that their clergy would be compelled by law to perform same-sex ceremonies, with couples taking them to court or human rights tribunals if refused. The legislation, however, states that the bill only covers civil unions, not religious ones, and no clergy would be forced to perform same-sex ceremonies unless they choose to do so.

"The facts are plain: Religious leaders who preside over marriage ceremonies must and will be guided by what they believe," Martin said. "If they do not wish to celebrate marriages for same-sex couples, that is their right."

The Roman Catholic Church, the predominant Christian denomination in Canada, has vigorously opposed the legislation.

"The most overlooked and disenfranchised group in the current debate about marriage is that of children," Calgary Bishop Frederick Henry said in a recent statement.

"The issue is not whether traditional marriage, as it stands, is a perfect institution, but whether society and especially children are better off with it than without. Families with both mothers and fathers are generally better for children than those with only mothers or only fathers. Biological parents usually protect and provide for their children more effectively than non-biological ones."

The debate in Canada began in December, when the Supreme Court ruled that passage of same-sex legislation would not violate the constitution.

A roster of right-wing groups under the banner Defend Marriage Canada headed to Parliament Hill on Tuesday to lobby legislators against the bill.

"I fear radical social change thrust upon a nation that is not asking for it," Charles McVety, a spokesman for Defend Marriage Canada and president of Canada Christian College, told Canadian Press.

According to most polls, a majority of Canadians supports the right for gays and lesbians to marry. In the United States, gay marriage is opposed by a majority of Americans, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken in November, shortly after constitutional amendments in 11 states to ban same-sex marriage were approved.

Massachusetts is the only state that allows gay marriages, although Vermont and Connecticut have approved same-sex civil unions.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...print.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
 
It's sad to see so many humans believe lies. :( It's sad to see intelligent people fall for the lies and rhetoric of the militant homosexuals.

:(
 
Said1 said:
Don't you guys have civil unions in some places?

As quoted from referenced article:

Massachusetts is the only state that allows gay marriages, although Vermont and Connecticut have approved same-sex civil unions.

3 states out of 50.

Canada = country.
 
GotZoom said:
As quoted from referenced article:

Massachusetts is the only state that allows gay marriages, although Vermont and Connecticut have approved same-sex civil unions.

3 states out of 50.

Canada = country.

I know Canada is a country. Why feel the need to point that out?
 
Said1 said:
I know Canada is a country. Why feel the need to point that out?

I wasn't trying to be a smart ass....

Just saying the 3 states in the U.S. compared to the whole country of Canada.

No worries.
 
GotZoom said:
I wasn't trying to be a smart ass....

Just saying the 3 states in the U.S. compared to the whole country of Canada.

No worries.

Sure, if you say so. :thup:

Edit to add smilie. Was not being sarcastic.....Really!
 
MrMarbles said:
It's official! Canada is the third country to allow equal rights to all of it's citizens. Go Canada! :thup:

Congratulations. My question is why is the government even sticking its hands at all in a religious institution? They act like rights come from the government, and not from the Creator. This goes for the US as well.
 
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I think the one on the right looks like Chirac. :D
 
no1tovote4 said:
Congratulations. My question is why is the government even sticking its hands at all in a religious institution? They act like rights come from the government, and not from the Creator. This goes for the US as well.

I've always thought this argument, and no offense to you of course, was weak.

Idealism of the seperation of church and state aside, for both "sides" of the issue routinely rally under its banner. Whether is be lefties removing religious historical monuments from courtyards or those on the right who provide "faith" based funding for social programs.

The inexorable truth is that the government's endorsement of any marriage, whether it be heterosexual, or now homosexual has always had its religious base.

A wiser move would be remove the mention of marriage from civil unions, and leave it like that. This way the government neither endorses heterosexual nor homosexual unions and leaves it to the wacky ethical playgroups which reside in the Churches, Mosques, Synagogues, Temples, Jedi Training Centres and Covens of our country.

On a day to day basis, does it affect me?

Hardly, but it does revive some of the old Kids in the Hall sketches! :thup:
 
Religous groups in Canada have the right to allow gay marriage or not. Nothing has changed for them. It's just that now, under the law, homosexuals have the same rights as hetrosexuals in terms of marriage.

Personally, it does not affect me, I don't care what they call it, it's just a word. The important thing is that whatever you call it, it's equal.

Said1, love the cartoon!
 
Why does every freakin thing on the planet have to be equal? Good grief.

You want equal pay, do equal work.
You want equal rights? You start OUT with them. Only YOU can decide whether you get to keep them.
 
Shattered said:
Why does every freakin thing on the planet have to be equal? Good grief.

You want equal pay, do equal work.
You want equal rights? You start OUT with them. Only YOU can decide whether you get to keep them.

Bravo! WELL SAID!!!!

:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
MrMarbles said:
Religous groups in Canada have the right to allow gay marriage or not. Nothing has changed for them. It's just that now, under the law, homosexuals have the same rights as hetrosexuals in terms of marriage.

Personally, it does not affect me, I don't care what they call it, it's just a word. The important thing is that whatever you call it, it's equal.

Said1, love the cartoon!

No...now they have 'special rights'...the restrictions were the same for all:

1) One cannot marry a relative
2) One cannot marry a minor
3) One cannot marry somebody of the same gender

Now...it's 'special' allowances made for people who simply like having sex with those of the same gender.

I'm really hoping a rapist gets a rape charge thrown out under the same argument homosexuals use to justify THEIR behavior...I really hope it happens.
 
-=d=- said:
No...now they have 'special rights'...the restrictions were the same for all:

1) One cannot marry a relative
2) One cannot marry a minor
3) One cannot marry somebody of the same gender

Now...it's 'special' allowances made for people who simply like having sex with those of the same gender.

I'm really hoping a rapist gets a rape charge thrown out under the same argument homosexuals use to justify THEIR behavior...I really hope it happens.

Don't say that. Rape is something completely different than two consenting adults choosing their future. :(
 
-=d=- said:
I'm really hoping a rapist gets a rape charge thrown out under the same argument homosexuals use to justify THEIR behavior...I really hope it happens.

You're comparing a rapists with two members of the same sex having consensual sex? I'm sure you're just using that as an extreme example of equal treatment for sexual deviants.
 
Said1 said:
You're comparing a rapists with two members of the same sex having consensual sex? I'm sure you're just using that as an extreme example of equal treatment for sexual deviants.


Rape and homosexual sex and speeding and murder are all behaviours. It's just homosexuals are the only group to get people to justify their actions because 'they are born that way' and 'cannot and should not control their urges'.

(shrug).

Rape and murder and homoseuxality all harm society.
 
-=d=- said:
Rape and homosexual sex and speeding and murder are all behaviours. It's just homosexuals are the only group to get people to justify their actions because 'they are born that way' and 'cannot and should not control their urges'.

(shrug).

Rape and murder and homoseuxality all harm society.

Don't forget NAMBLA. They are loving this.
 

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