Hey Lefties: Define "Clean Energy"

[Lonestar_logic]

Lonestar -

You easily ignore facts they don't fit your world view. Why is that?

Because there are no facts that don't fit my world view.If there were, I'd change my world view.

I came into this issue as a neutral. I don't see it as being political at all. I read the science, I listened to scientists. And that's still my position.

You have to use a little common sense here, Star. If there are 60 scientific organisations in the world and not one of them is in your corner, it's time to throw in the towel and accept that maybe they know something you don't. Just like the oil industry did 20 years or so ago.

Not one scientist is in my corner?

Thanks for admitting you ignore facts that don't fit your narrative.

 

[Saigon]

Lonestar -

There are around 60 major international scientific organisations. Not one is in your corner.

You might ask yourself at this point why you are ignoring not only all 60 of the 60 major scientific organisations on earth, but also the dozens of oil and automotive companies who you earlier claimed were the victims of all this.

As I mentioned earlier - you need to apply a little common sense here. If you go to 60 doctors and they all tell you the same thing - do you just accuse them of ignoring facts that don't fit their narrative, or are you going to listen to what they have to say?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Lonestar -

There are around 60 major international scientific organisations. Not one is in your corner.

You might ask yourself at this point why you are ignoring not only all 60 of the 60 major scientific organisations on earth, but also the dozens of oil and automotive companies who you earlier claimed were the victims of all this.

As I mentioned earlier - you need to apply a little common sense here. If you go to 60 doctors and they all tell you the same thing - do you just accuse them of ignoring facts that don't fit their narrative, or are you going to listen to what they have to say?

I've shown testimonies from scientist (climatologist) that claim the opposite but you ignore what they say. No matter how many times you can be shown the earth is cooling, you're going to buy into the global warming myth.

What Global Warming 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend CNS News

Scientist Predicts New Ice Age

Flurry Of Scientists Recent Peer-Reviewed Papers Warning Of Approaching Little Ice Age

 

[Saigon]

Lonestar -

During the past 10 years, 0.4% of all peer-reviewed scientific papers published (across all related fields of science) opposed the concept of human acitivity playing a role in climate change.

So that is your corner.

So I'm fairly comfortable agreeing with the 99.6% of scientists on this one, thanks.

It must be nice to know more than the entire global scientific community.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Lonestar -

During the past 10 years, 0.4% of all peer-reviewed scientific papers published (across all related fields of science) opposed the concept of human acitivity playing a role in climate change.

So that is your corner.

So I'm fairly comfortable agreeing with the 99.6% of scientists on this one, thanks.

It must be nice to know more than the entire global scientific community.

link?

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Sweetie Pie, you dumb fuck, we are creating those materials as we speak. Not only that, petroleum is far to valuable to be burning in the atmosphere. We should be using it for the industrial products, not as something to burn.

Jesus, that may be the first intelligent thing I've heard you say. Now about that "something to burn besides petroleum"...

Yet every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that state the AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. Are all of these, from all the different nations and political systems, in on a grand conspiracy? Or are you just a really dumb sucker for the energy corperations?

Substitute "global cooling" for AWG in the statement above to see how the hysteria read in 1980. There's a great deal of the lemming in academia, and a great deal of reticence to stand on one's principals...especially if a group or individual depends on government money. Go along to get along.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Sweetie Pie, you dumb fuck, we are creating those materials as we speak. Not only that, petroleum is far to valuable to be burning in the atmosphere. We should be using it for the industrial products, not as something to burn.

Jesus, that may be the first intelligent thing I've heard you say. Now about that "something to burn besides petroleum"...

Yet every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University has policy statements that state the AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. Are all of these, from all the different nations and political systems, in on a grand conspiracy? Or are you just a really dumb sucker for the energy corperations?

Substitute "global cooling" for AWG in the statement above to see how the hysteria read in 1980. There's a great deal of the lemming in academia, and a great deal of reticence to stand on one's principals...especially if a group or individual depends on government money. Go along to get along.

That's what these people don't get. The federal dollars these clowns get for their junk science.

In the 70's I remember the coming ice age predictions, every major climate organization endorsed the ice age scare, including NCAR, CRU, NAS, NASA – as did the CIA.

We all know how that turned out!

The 1970 8217 s Global Cooling Compilation 8211 looks much like today Watts Up With That

1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

 

[Saigon]

Lonestar -

Why is it that you think people don't "get it", when it is abundantly clear that virtually all scientists, companies, governments, experts and the public DO get what you don't?

Why are you the one person on earth who "gets" what scientists are obviously missing?!

At no point during this conversation have you admitted that you opinion on this is about as popular amongst scientists as the theory that the sun revolves around earth?

btw, The research in which it is claimed that 0.4% of scientific papers disagree with climate change is already linked somewhere on this site (which is where I read it) - I may try to find it later.