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Israel was not founded by religious Jews idiot. And the species have disappeared and appeared as the climate has changed throughout history...no wonder Illinois is so screwed up
Species have never vanished as quickly as they have in the modern era... but I know you wingnuts are challenged by the whole "Science" thing...
Fact is, when Jews are citizens and Muslims aren't, that's aparthied jsut as much as if Whites are citizens and blacks aren't.
If you are talking about the palestinians as the indigenous people, they are not. The migrated to Israel who was kind enough to give them land. Israel has been payed back with violence for years. Idiots need to stop feeling sorry for the satan worshiping palestinians. Israel needs to kick them out of Israel, the jews land.
Ahhhh, I see you've bought into the retarded lie, that Palestine was a vast, empty space (despite it being occuppied for thousands of years) until the Zionists showed up, and then those mean old Palestinian Arabs showed up from somewhere, to spite them, I guess.
I don't know, it's really hard to follow the logic of Zionist apologists. But I think that's what you are claiming here.
REALITY. Palestinian Arabs have occuppied that land since ancient times. It's the Zionists who are the invaders.
And in case you missed the whole lesson of the Crusaders, they usually end up getting pushed into the sea.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIdCsMufIY]This Land Is Mine - YouTube[/ame]
Okay... give you a chance. Convince me global warming isn't real, and isn't a threat.
Go ahead. This should be amusing.
Well, lets start with this - we've had two rounds of "Climate Gate" now where "scientists" were caught discussing in emails how they need to falsify their data.
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Second, you flat-earther's keep claiming "global warming" when in fact, the Earth is cooling. This is a 100% fact. It has been cooling and will continue to do so for another decade or so. It's not because of mankind, this is all part of a cycle that real scientists have tracked for over 100 years - they predicted the current cooling cycle before it started. After that decade or so, it will then begin to heat up - once again as part of a natural cycle and NOT because of people.[
Third, we're told about "global warming" and point to things like "ice caps melting" and "heat waves". And then, when we have a brutal winter like we experienced two years ago, we're then told this is part of "global warming"Uh.... if what we're doing is causing the planet to heat up and melt ice caps, how can you blame it on cold weather?!?! When you point that out, they then say "well, uh, you see, uh, it causes all kinds of crazy weather". Sad that we have to explain to dumbocrats that heat and cold are complete opposites.
Fourth - look up at the sky. Still see the clouds? Still see the sun? Still have rain? Yeah, things seem to be going just fine. Pretty much like they have been since the begining of man. A two year old can figure this out, but dumbocrats can't?!
Fifth - if you feel people are such a problem, lets start elliminating people to save the planet. Since dumbocrats care the most, will start by elliminating you first. Let's kill all dumbocrats to save the planet. Come on, you guys have to lead by example just ONCE. I know you're the party of hypocrisy and all, but this is the the existance of the planet for crying out loud!
Israel was not founded by religious Jews idiot. And the species have disappeared and appeared as the climate has changed throughout history...no wonder Illinois is so screwed up
Species have never vanished as quickly as they have in the modern era... but I know you wingnuts are challenged by the whole "Science" thing...
Fact is, when Jews are citizens and Muslims aren't, that's aparthied jsut as much as if Whites are citizens and blacks aren't.
Really? and you know this how exactly?
I'm still confused on why I'm supposed to care about Israel? Seems to me they're an angry little nation who causes a lot of problems for the world.
Well we're all confused as to why we're supposed to care about dumbocrats. They are a bunch of angry, envious little people who have caused a lot of problems for themselves and the world.
...How do the Democrats relate to Israel or anything I said? Or are you just that insane that you can't stay on a topic?
Species have never vanished as quickly as they have in the modern era... but I know you wingnuts are challenged by the whole "Science" thing...
Fact is, when Jews are citizens and Muslims aren't, that's aparthied jsut as much as if Whites are citizens and blacks aren't.
Really? and you know this how exactly?
Holocene extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Pleistocene-Holocene Event - Sixth Great Extinction
Really? and you know this how exactly?
Holocene extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Pleistocene-Holocene Event - Sixth Great Extinction
IF so it's is because of man caused global warming? there is no proof of that only theory ..We've found your religion Joe
That video almost made me spill my drink. Very funny and sadly true.
Wonder why no one ever asks a Canaanite what he thinks about Israel's 'right' to the land?
Oh. That's right. There are no more Canaanites.
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"I think it's also a bit disingenous (sic) to lump in "environmentalists" with "America haters".... Environmentalists have a valid point of view."
Well....let's explore that.
1. Is it possible that you don't see the most direct route to global governance is is the claim that the world is threatened if all nations don't give up sovereignty and follow the orders of some single world body?
And that means hating sovereign nations....e.g., America.
Again, only if you are a whackadoo who thinks that a black UN helicopter is going to land in her backyard.
As I said, Globalism is as much a goal of the right as the left. It's simply a fact of life. That has little to do with the fact the evidence of global warming caused by humans is pretty concrete to anyone who understands the science.
2. Do you know the origin of the 'movement'? It was a hate I mentioned in the OP: hate of religion. After all, how to find Utopia here if one is religious. Let me help:
a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In ‘monism,’ he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding.
J.W. Burrow, “The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914,” p. 218-19
Don't you love it when I teach you something new?
The only thing you've taught me is how easy it is to brainwash the young, which is what happens when people listen to too much hate radio.
I hate religion because I grew up with it, and saw what liars and phonies these folks are. Has little to do with some vast conspiracy. Either you are smart enough to realize there are no magic sky pixies, or you are too afraid of death to address the subject.
Me. I go with the evidence There is no evidence of a God.
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"I think it's also a bit disingenous (sic) to lump in "environmentalists" with "America haters".... Environmentalists have a valid point of view."
Well....let's explore that.
1. Is it possible that you don't see the most direct route to global governance is is the claim that the world is threatened if all nations don't give up sovereignty and follow the orders of some single world body?
And that means hating sovereign nations....e.g., America.
Again, only if you are a whackadoo who thinks that a black UN helicopter is going to land in her backyard.
As I said, Globalism is as much a goal of the right as the left. It's simply a fact of life. That has little to do with the fact the evidence of global warming caused by humans is pretty concrete to anyone who understands the science.
2. Do you know the origin of the 'movement'? It was a hate I mentioned in the OP: hate of religion. After all, how to find Utopia here if one is religious. Let me help:
a. One spin-off of the Enlightenment was the desire to find new myths that would transcend daily existence and take one to a higher level of purification. Proto-fascist, and founder of ecology, Ernst Haeckel, invested nature-worship with the belief that all matter was alive and possessed mental attributes. In monism, he brought together hostility to Christianity and propaganda for Darwinism, a nature cult and theories of hygiene and selective breeding.
J.W. Burrow, The Crisis of Reason: European Thought, 1848-1914, p. 218-19
Don't you love it when I teach you something new?
The only thing you've taught me is how easy it is to brainwash the young, which is what happens when people listen to too much hate radio.
I hate religion because I grew up with it, and saw what liars and phonies these folks are. Has little to do with some vast conspiracy. Either you are smart enough to realize there are no magic sky pixies, or you are too afraid of death to address the subject.
Me. I go with the evidence There is no evidence of a God.
That video almost made me spill my drink. Very funny and sadly true.
Wonder why no one ever asks a Canaanite what he thinks about Israel's 'right' to the land?
Oh. That's right. There are no more Canaanites.
Actually, the Israelites were Canaanites. They were the poor and downtrodden that eventually threw off the yoke of the 1%. They WERE in bondage, but not in Egypt. That was a later addition to the story for dramatic effect with no historical or archaeological evidence.
Who gives a shit?Now...get set to take notes:
In The Oxford History of the Biblical World, edited by Dr. Michael D. Coogan, director of publications for the Harvard Semitic Museum and expert in Near Eastern languages and literatures, we find the following. The book is excellent on Syria-Palestinian archeology.
The following will shed light on the question.
The end of the thirteenth century BCE saw major disruptions in the civilizations of the Near East, Cyprus and Greece for unclear reasons (possible major droughts). Many populations appear to have migrated .Egypt was attacked by groups called Sea Peoples. They were repelled from Egypt, but the Egyptians could not stop them from taking over the Canaan coast. The Philistines were among the Sea Peoples.
the Philistines did not occupy the coast of Canaan until the twelfth century BCE
Not long before, another group had appeared in the land of Canaan This group called itself Israel The Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE .[including] Canaanites, Egyptians, Israelites, and the mysterious Sea Peoples, of whom the Philistines are the best known. The settlement process in highland Israel began a generation or two before the Sea Peoples arrived on the coast The displacement and migration of the tribe of Dan from the central coast to the far north is symptomatic of this event.
This movement is documented by a variety of written sources in Akkadian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, and Hebrew, by Egyptian wall reliefs and by archeology.
The Philistines bequeathed their own name to Philistia (and later to all of Palestine).
Cypriot archaeologists invoke the Achaeans or Danaoi of Homeric epic as the agents of culture change in Cyprus; in the Levant, the same change is ascribed to the Sea Peoples. Both agents participated in the event recorded by Rameses III and should be related to the same confederacy of Sea Peoples, or Mycenaean Greeks, who invaded the coastlands of (Cyprus) around 1185-1175.
Further evidence of the origin of the Philistines can be seen in biblical texts, which indicate expert bowman, chariot-warriors, and chariots of iron, (I Samuel 31.3, Judg. 1.18-19) and pottery which show warriors armed like the Mycenaean warriors depicted on the famous Warrior Vase found in Mycenae. The description fits Goliatath, as in I Samuel 17.5-6.
Under King David, first quarter of the tenth century, the Philistines were driven back to their original coastal cities.
That video almost made me spill my drink. Very funny and sadly true.
Wonder why no one ever asks a Canaanite what he thinks about Israel's 'right' to the land?
Oh. That's right. There are no more Canaanites.
Actually, the Israelites were Canaanites. They were the poor and downtrodden that eventually threw off the yoke of the 1%. They WERE in bondage, but not in Egypt. That was a later addition to the story for dramatic effect with no historical or archaeological evidence.
Now...get set to take notes:
In The Oxford History of the Biblical World, edited by Dr. Michael D. Coogan, director of publications for the Harvard Semitic Museum and expert in Near Eastern languages and literatures, we find the following. The book is excellent on Syria-Palestinian archeology.
The following will shed light on the question.
The end of the thirteenth century BCE saw major disruptions in the civilizations of the Near East, Cyprus and Greece for unclear reasons (possible major droughts). Many populations appear to have migrated .Egypt was attacked by groups called Sea Peoples. They were repelled from Egypt, but the Egyptians could not stop them from taking over the Canaan coast. The Philistines were among the Sea Peoples.
the Philistines did not occupy the coast of Canaan until the twelfth century BCE
Not long before, another group had appeared in the land of Canaan This group called itself Israel The Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE .[including] Canaanites, Egyptians, Israelites, and the mysterious Sea Peoples, of whom the Philistines are the best known. The settlement process in highland Israel began a generation or two before the Sea Peoples arrived on the coast The displacement and migration of the tribe of Dan from the central coast to the far north is symptomatic of this event.
This movement is documented by a variety of written sources in Akkadian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, and Hebrew, by Egyptian wall reliefs and by archeology.
The Philistines bequeathed their own name to Philistia (and later to all of Palestine).
Cypriot archaeologists invoke the Achaeans or Danaoi of Homeric epic as the agents of culture change in Cyprus; in the Levant, the same change is ascribed to the Sea Peoples. Both agents participated in the event recorded by Rameses III and should be related to the same confederacy of Sea Peoples, or Mycenaean Greeks, who invaded the coastlands of (Cyprus) around 1185-1175.
Further evidence of the origin of the Philistines can be seen in biblical texts, which indicate expert bowman, chariot-warriors, and chariots of iron, (I Samuel 31.3, Judg. 1.18-19) and pottery which show warriors armed like the Mycenaean warriors depicted on the famous Warrior Vase found in Mycenae. The description fits Goliatath, as in I Samuel 17.5-6.
Under King David, first quarter of the tenth century, the Philistines were driven back to their original coastal cities.
Actually, the Israelites were Canaanites. They were the poor and downtrodden that eventually threw off the yoke of the 1%. They WERE in bondage, but not in Egypt. That was a later addition to the story for dramatic effect with no historical or archaeological evidence.
Now...get set to take notes:
In “The Oxford History of the Biblical World,” edited by Dr. Michael D. Coogan, director of publications for the Harvard Semitic Museum and expert in Near Eastern languages and literatures, we find the following. The book is excellent on Syria-Palestinian archeology.
The following will shed light on the question.
The end of the thirteenth century BCE saw major disruptions in the civilizations of the Near East, Cyprus and Greece for unclear reasons (possible major droughts). “Many populations appear to have migrated….Egypt was attacked by groups called ‘Sea Peoples.’ They were repelled from Egypt, but the Egyptians could not stop them from taking over the Canaan coast. The Philistines …were among the Sea Peoples.”
“…the Philistines did not occupy the coast of Canaan until the twelfth century BCE…”
“Not long before, another group had appeared in the land of Canaan…This group called itself Israel…The Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE….[including] Canaanites, Egyptians, Israelites, and the mysterious ‘Sea Peoples,’ of whom the Philistines are the best known. The settlement process in highland Israel began a generation or two before the Sea Peoples arrived on the coast…The displacement and migration of the tribe of Dan from the central coast to the far north is symptomatic of …this event.”
“This movement is documented by a variety of written sources in Akkadian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, and Hebrew, by Egyptian wall reliefs and by archeology.”
“The Philistines bequeathed their own name to Philistia (and later to all of Palestine).”
“Cypriot archaeologists invoke the Achaeans or Danaoi of Homeric epic as the agents of culture change in Cyprus; in the Levant, the same change is ascribed to the Sea Peoples. Both agents participated in the event recorded by Rameses III and should be related to the same confederacy of Sea Peoples, or Mycenaean Greeks, who invaded the coastlands of (Cyprus) around 1185-1175.”
Further evidence of the origin of the Philistines can be seen in biblical texts, which indicate expert bowman, “chariot-warriors,” and “chariots of iron,” (I Samuel 31.3, Judg. 1.18-19) and pottery which show warriors armed like the Mycenaean warriors depicted on the famous “Warrior Vase” found in Mycenae. The description fits Goliatath, as in I Samuel 17.5-6.
Under King David, first quarter of the tenth century, the Philistines were driven back to their original coastal cities.
None of that is evidence as I see it. The Bible cannot be used as evidence of its own veracity. Where is the evidence that the Exodus ever happened, that there was a large population of slaves in Egypt or that there was a war of conquest in Canaan at the time in question? Even Jewish archaeologists recognize that most of the Bible story were legends written down during the Babylonian captivity to keep the people together, but with little in the way of historical accuracy.
If you are talking about the palestinians as the indigenous people, they are not. The migrated to Israel who was kind enough to give them land. Israel has been payed back with violence for years. Idiots need to stop feeling sorry for the satan worshiping palestinians. Israel needs to kick them out of Israel, the jews land.
Wow. Just wow.
Umm, fyi before the influx of jewish immigrants after the turn of the Century the Jewish population was about 3% in Palestine. When they came they did bring much needed capital to the region and that improved the lot for many indigenous Palestinians as many of them flocked to the cities for the jobs.
Indigenous used loosely, especially if you were a bedouin. The population numbers are highly disputed, but I would not rely solely on Wikipedia which is somewhat exposed, its agenda that is. But to the greater points. There was no Palestine as a nation surely, nor even as a bordered territory. It was part of a far larger geographic area which included Jordan, Syria, Iraq, etc. all under the control of the Ottoman empire for a number of centuries. There were considerably more Jews than 3% in this region as well as Christians from many stripes, but there was no country, no capital, no formal standing that this was an Arab nation and others were "guests."
By and large, the jewish population that moved in at the turn of the century and leading on purchased land from the Ottoman Turks, and none of those purchases were land that was inhabited by someone else. It was unoccupied and in a majority of cases, not very arable. The Jews were the heroes of bringing a foresaken land back to life.
Population figures become more reliable 1914 forward and the number of Jews who moved in was in the hundreds of thousands only to be surpassed by the number of Arabs who moved into the land, specifically because the Jews offered them a way of living whichyou alluded to as well. So one large question which Golda Meir posed back in the sixties remains --- "What is a Palestinian?" Is it all those Egyptians and Lebanese and Syrians, et al. who moved in the same time the Jews did? Then what right do they have to say it is their nation? What right do they have to say they are a Palestinian?
It gets more complicated and unfair from there, of course.
Who gives a shit?Now...get set to take notes:
In The Oxford History of the Biblical World, edited by Dr. Michael D. Coogan, director of publications for the Harvard Semitic Museum and expert in Near Eastern languages and literatures, we find the following. The book is excellent on Syria-Palestinian archeology.
The following will shed light on the question.
The end of the thirteenth century BCE saw major disruptions in the civilizations of the Near East, Cyprus and Greece for unclear reasons (possible major droughts). Many populations appear to have migrated .Egypt was attacked by groups called Sea Peoples. They were repelled from Egypt, but the Egyptians could not stop them from taking over the Canaan coast. The Philistines were among the Sea Peoples.
the Philistines did not occupy the coast of Canaan until the twelfth century BCE
Not long before, another group had appeared in the land of Canaan This group called itself Israel The Egyptians maintained some control over parts of Canaan until just after the death of Rameses III in 1153 BCE .[including] Canaanites, Egyptians, Israelites, and the mysterious Sea Peoples, of whom the Philistines are the best known. The settlement process in highland Israel began a generation or two before the Sea Peoples arrived on the coast The displacement and migration of the tribe of Dan from the central coast to the far north is symptomatic of this event.
This movement is documented by a variety of written sources in Akkadian, Ugaritic, Egyptian, and Hebrew, by Egyptian wall reliefs and by archeology.
The Philistines bequeathed their own name to Philistia (and later to all of Palestine).
Cypriot archaeologists invoke the Achaeans or Danaoi of Homeric epic as the agents of culture change in Cyprus; in the Levant, the same change is ascribed to the Sea Peoples. Both agents participated in the event recorded by Rameses III and should be related to the same confederacy of Sea Peoples, or Mycenaean Greeks, who invaded the coastlands of (Cyprus) around 1185-1175.
Further evidence of the origin of the Philistines can be seen in biblical texts, which indicate expert bowman, chariot-warriors, and chariots of iron, (I Samuel 31.3, Judg. 1.18-19) and pottery which show warriors armed like the Mycenaean warriors depicted on the famous Warrior Vase found in Mycenae. The description fits Goliatath, as in I Samuel 17.5-6.
Under King David, first quarter of the tenth century, the Philistines were driven back to their original coastal cities.
This claim to lands in the ME based on ancient history might have appeal to people who support the idea for other reasons,
but such types of claims suddenly lose their charm in other contexts,
such as the Aztlan movement's claim to a large swath of the American Southwest, or the many and varied land claims of other Native Americans across the US.
Is your home located on the ancient homeland of an American Indian tribe? Would you happily hand it over to the survivors of that tribe in deference to the long past conditions of the ancient world?
This claim to lands in the ME based on ancient history might have appeal to people who support the idea for other reasons,
but such types of claims suddenly lose their charm in other contexts,
such as the Aztlan movement's claim to a large swath of the American Southwest, or the many and varied land claims of other Native Americans across the US.
Is your home located on the ancient homeland of an American Indian tribe? Would you happily hand it over to the survivors of that tribe in deference to the long past conditions of the ancient world?
"Native Americans" is a misnomer.
"The 9000-year-old skeleton called Kennewick Man, found last year in the bank of the Columbia River in a park in Kennewick, Washington, can speak to us of this Indo-European past so we can understand our future. Kennewick Man connects worlds, living and dead. Forensic anthropologists have said this skeleton's features are more like ancient Europeans' rather than Native Americans'."
Kennewick Man, an Ancestor
So much for your post.
This claim to lands in the ME based on ancient history might have appeal to people who support the idea for other reasons,
but such types of claims suddenly lose their charm in other contexts,
such as the Aztlan movement's claim to a large swath of the American Southwest, or the many and varied land claims of other Native Americans across the US.
Is your home located on the ancient homeland of an American Indian tribe? Would you happily hand it over to the survivors of that tribe in deference to the long past conditions of the ancient world?
"Native Americans" is a misnomer.
"The 9000-year-old skeleton called Kennewick Man, found last year in the bank of the Columbia River in a park in Kennewick, Washington, can speak to us of this Indo-European past so we can understand our future. Kennewick Man connects worlds, living and dead. Forensic anthropologists have said this skeleton's features are more like ancient Europeans' rather than Native Americans'."
Kennewick Man, an Ancestor
So much for your post.
Is that supposed to be relevant?
