Here's a new way to approach the ACA

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    Just because it's in the bill doesn't make it a fact. Here's a fact: increasing the number of people covered by government healthcare will increase the amount of tax money allocated toward government healthcare.

    Who has to pay for that? Taxpayers.

    It's as simple as that.
     
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    The facts of ACA are the problem, luddly. It's a corporatist horse-deal that trades guaranteed customers for guaranteed issue.

    ACA was formed around the contradictory desires of voters and leaders. We (some of us at least) want socialized medicine, but we don't want to call it socialized medicine (it might scare the old folks). So we've come up with a half-assed "compromise" that is essentially the worst both worlds. It indulges the authoritarian, centralized control of a socialist solution to herd us all into one pen, and then hands us over to capitalist corporations as mandated 'cash cows'.
     
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    Here's a fact: decreasing or ignoring the number of UNinsured, increases the amount that tax payers/insured have to pay in the form of higher doctor/hospital bills and lowers the quality of care.

    It also increases the amount needed to help those who don't get the health care they need.

    Any way you look at it - Americans pay for health care. Do you want to get more for your money, or less?

    Or should Americans not have to pay anything at all?
     
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    American's should have to pay for the care they receive. From where I stand, increasing qualifications for Medicaid to 133% of the poverty level will increase the number of people on Medicaid by 50%. That's 20 million more people having their healthcare given to them courtesy of the taxpayers.

    People just need to realize that healthcare is expensive. It's expensive because every pill you swallow or exam you receive is only possible because of dozens of people making it possible. You don't just pay the doctor. If the government wants to force people to get insurance, that's fine. The invisible hand will quickly provide affordable options. But ask any doctor who the hardest organization to work with is. They will tell you it's Medicaid. Expanding Medicaid will not be cost effective and it will no be successful.
     
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    You don't make sense.

    Links?

    Evidence?

    FACTS!
     
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    For most Medicaid beneficiaries, the organization a provider works with is a private insurance company--often one that's competing with other private insurers for Medicaid enrollees at least in part based on the strength of that provider network they've built and are maintaining.
     
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    :lol:

    I hope this one's just very young... 'cause that can be fixed.
     

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