Here is what Dems, Unions and WI teachers are in a near riot over

[edthecynic]

Hope the picture attaches.

Combined package for Wisconsin teachers: $89,500.
$51,000 in salary. The rest in benefits.

90% of cops in America don't make that. They aren't rioting in the streets. Neither are the majority of American's, a country in which the average income is about $40,000 a year. In this economy, a group of people whose average salary is 25% higher than the national average are protesting for having to pay for their own benefits. Mind boggling.

Starting salary is $25,222 and average salary is $46,390.
Single teachers get health benefits of $4,356 per year and families get $9,612 per year.

How exactly do you get $89,500, other than parroting the lies of the CON$ervative Brotherhood???

Starting salary for WI police is $34,452

How do Wages Stack up Nation Wide? - ABC News

And how exactly does that link show a YEARLY benefit of $38,500 for teachers?????

Sheesh, the supporters of the CON$ervative Brotherhood are dumb!

 

[Trajan]

Hope the picture attaches.

Combined package for Wisconsin teachers: $89,500.
$51,000 in salary. The rest in benefits.

90% of cops in America don't make that. They aren't rioting in the streets. Neither are the majority of American's, a country in which the average income is about $40,000 a year. In this economy, a group of people whose average salary is 25% higher than the national average are protesting for having to pay for their own benefits. Mind boggling.

Starting salary is $25,222 and average salary is $46,390.
Single teachers get health benefits of $4,356 per year and families get $9,612 per year.

How exactly do you get $89,500, other than parroting the lies of the CON$ervative Brotherhood???

Starting salary for WI police is $34,452

its called TC...Total Compensation and operating burden....do you know what that is?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Starting salary is $25,222 and average salary is $46,390.
Single teachers get health benefits of $4,356 per year and families get $9,612 per year.

How exactly do you get $89,500, other than parroting the lies of the CON$ervative Brotherhood???

Starting salary for WI police is $34,452

How do Wages Stack up Nation Wide? - ABC News

And how exactly does that link show a YEARLY benefit of $38,500 for teachers?????

Sheesh, the supporters of the CON$ervative Brotherhood are dumb!

You really make this easy for the dumb people, don't you?

U.S. Census figures released this month showed that Wisconsin spent $10,190 per pupil to operate public schools in 2006. A new report from the Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance (WISTAX) analyzed these data in greater detail and found that school expenditures here ranked 14th highest among the states and 8.5% above the U.S. average ($9,390). The main reason for the above-average ranking was fringe benefits that exceeded national averages by more than 50%.... Examining specifically instruction-related expenses, WISTAX calculated that, in 2006, salaries ($3,939 per pupil) were 2.7% above the U.S. ($3,835) and 16th highest nationally. Benefits were 52.5% above the U.S. mean ($1,854 vs. $1,216) and sixth highest. Instructional costs for items other than compensation ($364), e.g., books and supplies, were 39.7% below average ($583) and ranked 44th in the U.S....

THE TEACHER FRINGE BENEFIT BOOM | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

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You want to keep trying, or will you just admit you are wrong?

 

[edthecynic]

How do Wages Stack up Nation Wide? - ABC News

And how exactly does that link show a YEARLY benefit of $38,500 for teachers?????

Sheesh, the supporters of the CON$ervative Brotherhood are dumb!

You really make this easy for the dumb people, don't you?

U.S. Census figures released this month showed that Wisconsin spent $10,190 per pupil to operate public schools in 2006. A new report from the Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance (WISTAX) analyzed these data in greater detail and found that school expenditures here ranked 14th highest among the states and 8.5% above the U.S. average ($9,390). The main reason for the above-average ranking was fringe benefits that exceeded national averages by more than 50%.... Examining specifically instruction-related expenses, WISTAX calculated that, in 2006, salaries ($3,939 per pupil) were 2.7% above the U.S. ($3,835) and 16th highest nationally. Benefits were 52.5% above the U.S. mean ($1,854 vs. $1,216) and sixth highest. Instructional costs for items other than compensation ($364), e.g., books and supplies, were 39.7% below average ($583) and ranked 44th in the U.S....

THE TEACHER FRINGE BENEFIT BOOM | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

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Flashback: WI Teacher Union Outraged Over No Viagra Benefits (UPDATED) « The Prudence Paine Papers

You want to keep trying, or will you just admit you are wrong?

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

 

[Trajan]

And how exactly does that link show a YEARLY benefit of $38,500 for teachers?????

Sheesh, the supporters of the CON$ervative Brotherhood are dumb!

You really make this easy for the dumb people, don't you?

U.S. Census figures released this month showed that Wisconsin spent $10,190 per pupil to operate public schools in 2006. A new report from the Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance (WISTAX) analyzed these data in greater detail and found that school expenditures here ranked 14th highest among the states and 8.5% above the U.S. average ($9,390). The main reason for the above-average ranking was fringe benefits that exceeded national averages by more than 50%.... Examining specifically instruction-related expenses, WISTAX calculated that, in 2006, salaries ($3,939 per pupil) were 2.7% above the U.S. ($3,835) and 16th highest nationally. Benefits were 52.5% above the U.S. mean ($1,854 vs. $1,216) and sixth highest. Instructional costs for items other than compensation ($364), e.g., books and supplies, were 39.7% below average ($583) and ranked 44th in the U.S....

THE TEACHER FRINGE BENEFIT BOOM | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

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Flashback: WI Teacher Union Outraged Over No Viagra Benefits (UPDATED) « The Prudence Paine Papers

You want to keep trying, or will you just admit you are wrong?

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

who pays for the defined benefits? Pension, medical? Does the gov. pay ECI tax?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

With an average class size of 28 and a cost per pupil of $1854 for the benefits alone that comes out to just over $51,000 per year for each teacher. Is it my fault you did not pay attention in school? Maybe your teachers were too busy protesting their lack of benefits to actually teach you simple arithmetic.

As for the Viagra, you obviously missed the point.

 

[edthecynic]

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

With an average class size of 28 and a cost per pupil of $1854 for the benefits alone that comes out to just over $51,000 per year for each teacher. Is it my fault you did not pay attention in school? Maybe your teachers were too busy protesting their lack of benefits to actually teach you simple arithmetic.

As for the Viagra, you obviously missed the point.

First of all, the $1854 in benefits are not paid only to active teachers, it would also include payments to retired teachers too which you left out of your calculation. But even using your ridiculous "logic" the average class size is 14.7 students, not 28, which would come to $27,253.80 in benefits, still over $11,000 short of the original $38,500 lie no matter how you cook the numbers.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

With an average class size of 28 and a cost per pupil of $1854 for the benefits alone that comes out to just over $51,000 per year for each teacher. Is it my fault you did not pay attention in school? Maybe your teachers were too busy protesting their lack of benefits to actually teach you simple arithmetic.

As for the Viagra, you obviously missed the point.

First of all, the $1854 in benefits are not paid only to active teachers, it would also include payments to retired teachers too which you left out of your calculation. But even using your ridiculous "logic" the average class size is 14.7 students, not 28, which would come to $27,253.80 in benefits, still over $11,000 short of the original $38,500 lie no matter how you cook the numbers.

14.7? Not according to the NEA

NEA - Great Public Schools Criteria for Wisconsin

I would also like to point out that the website for Madison Metropolitan School District puts class size in the range from 12 students to 50 in each class. I would need more information to work out the average, but I seriously doubt your figure is accurate.

Something you seem to be missing is the data I supplied on cost per student is 3 years old. If you have more up to date data I will be glad to show you how it can reach $51,000 per teacher using simple math, a claim I never made by the way. I just enjoy pointing out the number is not that hard to reach.

 

[edthecynic]

With an average class size of 28 and a cost per pupil of $1854 for the benefits alone that comes out to just over $51,000 per year for each teacher. Is it my fault you did not pay attention in school? Maybe your teachers were too busy protesting their lack of benefits to actually teach you simple arithmetic.

As for the Viagra, you obviously missed the point.

First of all, the $1854 in benefits are not paid only to active teachers, it would also include payments to retired teachers too which you left out of your calculation. But even using your ridiculous "logic" the average class size is 14.7 students, not 28, which would come to $27,253.80 in benefits, still over $11,000 short of the original $38,500 lie no matter how you cook the numbers.

14.7? Not according to the NEA

NEA - Great Public Schools Criteria for Wisconsin

I would also like to point out that the website for Madison Metropolitan School District puts class size in the range from 12 students to 50 in each class. I would need more information to work out the average, but I seriously doubt your figure is accurate.

Something you seem to be missing is the data I supplied on cost per student is 3 years old. If you have more up to date data I will be glad to show you how it can reach $51,000 per teacher using simple math, a claim I never made by the way. I just enjoy pointing out the number is not that hard to reach.

You have yet to give even one accurate number and you doubt my figures!!!

Madison is not the whole state, but you knew that already. And that is how the CON$ervative Brotherhood operates, they always cherry-pick the most deliberately deceptive stats they can find.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

Number of Teachers: 59,552
Number of Students: 875,414
Students per Teacher: 14.7

 

[Two Thumbs]

They gave some dumb **** the mic on FOX and she started screaming they were doing it for the children so they wouldn't lose their weekends.

Like if the union becomes reasonable and the members pay and not just the taxpayer the world will suddenly change and we will be back to 7 day a week 20 hours a day.

And people wonder why I hate unions.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

First of all, the $1854 in benefits are not paid only to active teachers, it would also include payments to retired teachers too which you left out of your calculation. But even using your ridiculous "logic" the average class size is 14.7 students, not 28, which would come to $27,253.80 in benefits, still over $11,000 short of the original $38,500 lie no matter how you cook the numbers.

14.7? Not according to the NEA

NEA - Great Public Schools Criteria for Wisconsin

I would also like to point out that the website for Madison Metropolitan School District puts class size in the range from 12 students to 50 in each class. I would need more information to work out the average, but I seriously doubt your figure is accurate.

Something you seem to be missing is the data I supplied on cost per student is 3 years old. If you have more up to date data I will be glad to show you how it can reach $51,000 per teacher using simple math, a claim I never made by the way. I just enjoy pointing out the number is not that hard to reach.

You have yet to give even one accurate number and you doubt my figures!!!

Madison is not the whole state, but you knew that already. And that is how the CON$ervative Brotherhood operates, they always cherry-pick the most deliberately deceptive stats they can find.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

Number of Teachers: 59,552
Number of Students: 875,414
Students per Teacher: 14.7

I doubt your figures because you did not reference them, and I found references that made them look erroneous. The interesting thing is that the data you provide does not match up with the data from the Wisconsin DPI.

Care to explain the discrepancies? Especially since you are whining about my data not being accurate?

Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data.

 

[DiveCon]

14.7? Not according to the NEA

NEA - Great Public Schools Criteria for Wisconsin

I would also like to point out that the website for Madison Metropolitan School District puts class size in the range from 12 students to 50 in each class. I would need more information to work out the average, but I seriously doubt your figure is accurate.

Something you seem to be missing is the data I supplied on cost per student is 3 years old. If you have more up to date data I will be glad to show you how it can reach $51,000 per teacher using simple math, a claim I never made by the way. I just enjoy pointing out the number is not that hard to reach.

You have yet to give even one accurate number and you doubt my figures!!!

Madison is not the whole state, but you knew that already. And that is how the CON$ervative Brotherhood operates, they always cherry-pick the most deliberately deceptive stats they can find.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

Number of Teachers: 59,552
Number of Students: 875,414
Students per Teacher: 14.7

I doubt your figures because you did not reference them, and I found references that made them look erroneous. The interesting thing is that the data you provide does not match up with the data from the Wisconsin DPI.

Care to explain the discrepancies? Especially since you are whining about my data not being accurate?

Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data.

maybe because he used a BIASED source????

no, that couldnt be, not edthemoron, he'd never do such a thing

 

[Trajan]

You really make this easy for the dumb people, don't you?

THE TEACHER FRINGE BENEFIT BOOM | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

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Flashback: WI Teacher Union Outraged Over No Viagra Benefits (UPDATED) « The Prudence Paine Papers

You want to keep trying, or will you just admit you are wrong?

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

who pays for the defined benefits? Pension, medical? Does the gov. pay ECI tax?

hello?

 

[rightwinger]

Shame on any so called American who has a job who refuses to help pay for his own retirement and his own health care.

They have already made that concession. They are fighting for the right to collectively bargain

Collective bargain vs individual bargain? Why do they want that?

Becuase then, they can give subpar performance at work, but as a group negotiate their deal. And by negotiating as a whole, the threat of a loss of the entire workforce will force the employer to accept the subpar work.

If they had to bargain as individuals, then the sorry ones wouldn't have leverage.

Hence the reason they love their union. Unions protect the lazy, sloppy, inefficient or incompetent worker through the threat of losing the entire workforce if the employer takes action against them.

Dissolve the unions. The national GDP and wealth has steadily risen over 50 years as union membership has steadily declined. That correlation means something.

Collective bargain because they have more strength as a group than as individuals. All employers want to be able to pick off individuals one by one. Force each teacher to stand up against the school system by themselves

You don't like how you are treated? Tough...love it or leave it

Makes a big difference when they all threaten to leave

 

[edthecynic]

14.7? Not according to the NEA

NEA - Great Public Schools Criteria for Wisconsin

I would also like to point out that the website for Madison Metropolitan School District puts class size in the range from 12 students to 50 in each class. I would need more information to work out the average, but I seriously doubt your figure is accurate.

Something you seem to be missing is the data I supplied on cost per student is 3 years old. If you have more up to date data I will be glad to show you how it can reach $51,000 per teacher using simple math, a claim I never made by the way. I just enjoy pointing out the number is not that hard to reach.

You have yet to give even one accurate number and you doubt my figures!!!

Madison is not the whole state, but you knew that already. And that is how the CON$ervative Brotherhood operates, they always cherry-pick the most deliberately deceptive stats they can find.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

Number of Teachers: 59,552
Number of Students: 875,414
Students per Teacher: 14.7

I doubt your figures because you did not reference them, and I found references that made them look erroneous. The interesting thing is that the data you provide does not match up with the data from the Wisconsin DPI.

Care to explain the discrepancies? Especially since you are whining about my data not being accurate?

Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data.

There is nothing in that link that contradicts what I linked to. You would have posted it if it did. There is nothing about class size and no statewide averages, only each district. You obviously didn't even bother to check your own link. No surprise there.

 

[edthecynic]

You keep making a fool of yourself, so yea let's keep going.

Your first link gives the cost per pupil, not per teacher. BRILLIANT!
The second shows the teachers PAY 5% into a retirement account, so on the claimed salary of $51,000 in the OP, the teachers PAY $2,550.
And your third link about Viagra says that 10,000 employees, dependents and retirees cost the district $207,000 for Viagra, that's $20.70 per teacher.

So to recap,
+$51,000 salary
+$ 9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers)
-$ 2,550 retirement contribution
+ $ 20.70 Viagra
-------------------------
= $ 89,500 salary and benefits per teacher in CON$ervative fuzzy math.

who pays for the defined benefits? Pension, medical? Does the gov. pay ECI tax?

hello?

Hey pinhead, the info is right in front of you!!!
The school pays the health benefit of $9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers) which is why it has a plus sign and the teachers pay 5% of their salary into a retirement fund which is why it has a minus sign.
I know the CON$ervative Brotherhood loves to play dumb, but this is ridiculous!!!

 

[edthecynic]

You have yet to give even one accurate number and you doubt my figures!!!

Madison is not the whole state, but you knew that already. And that is how the CON$ervative Brotherhood operates, they always cherry-pick the most deliberately deceptive stats they can find.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

Number of Teachers: 59,552
Number of Students: 875,414
Students per Teacher: 14.7

I doubt your figures because you did not reference them, and I found references that made them look erroneous. The interesting thing is that the data you provide does not match up with the data from the Wisconsin DPI.

Care to explain the discrepancies? Especially since you are whining about my data not being accurate?

Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data.

maybe because he used a BIASED source????

no, that couldnt be, not edthemoron, he'd never do such a thing

Any source that does not support the lies of the CON$ervative Brotherhood is biased to a major league .
The link I posted simply posts teacher information from every state for people who think they might want to become teachers. How exactly does that make it POLITICALLY biased???

 

[DiveCon]

I doubt your figures because you did not reference them, and I found references that made them look erroneous. The interesting thing is that the data you provide does not match up with the data from the Wisconsin DPI.

Care to explain the discrepancies? Especially since you are whining about my data not being accurate?

Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data.

maybe because he used a BIASED source????

no, that couldnt be, not edthemoron, he'd never do such a thing

Any source that does not support the lies of the CON$ervative Brotherhood is biased to a major league .
The link I posted simply posts teacher information from every state for people who think they might want to become teachers. How exactly does that make it POLITICALLY biased???

wrong again, moron
that is clearly a teachers support blog
it IS biased
now fuck off you pedantic moron

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You have yet to give even one accurate number and you doubt my figures!!!

Madison is not the whole state, but you knew that already. And that is how the CON$ervative Brotherhood operates, they always cherry-pick the most deliberately deceptive stats they can find.

Wisconsin Teacher Salary | Teaching Salaries in WI: $46,390

Number of Teachers: 59,552
Number of Students: 875,414
Students per Teacher: 14.7

I doubt your figures because you did not reference them, and I found references that made them look erroneous. The interesting thing is that the data you provide does not match up with the data from the Wisconsin DPI.

Care to explain the discrepancies? Especially since you are whining about my data not being accurate?

Statistical Information Center - School Staff and Salary Data.

There is nothing in that link that contradicts what I linked to. You would have posted it if it did. There is nothing about class size and no statewide averages, only each district. You obviously didn't even bother to check your own link. No surprise there.

Really? So the fact that the average salary is higher on the DPI link than it is on the link you provided does not contradict your link? Does the fact that Wisconsin teachers received a 4.6% pay raise since the last year that the DPI has figures for make their figures high or low? How can my figures not be accurate if different numbers do not contradict each other?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

who pays for the defined benefits? Pension, medical? Does the gov. pay ECI tax?

hello?

Hey pinhead, the info is right in front of you!!!
The school pays the health benefit of $9,612 family health benefit ($4,356 for single teachers) which is why it has a plus sign and the teachers pay 5% of their salary into a retirement fund which is why it has a minus sign.
I know the CON$ervative Brotherhood loves to play dumb, but this is ridiculous!!!

Where does the school get the money? Do they print it themselves, or extort it from taxpayers?