Hello my fellow "EASTER WORSHIPPERS" [Obama and Hillary won't say "Christians".]

[B. Kidd]

WTF is an Easter worshipper???

Someone who believes that rabbits lay chocolate eggs?

What fuckwits!!!

An Easter worshiper is someone who attends an Easter service to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In other words, a Christian.

Then why didn't they just say that?

 

[daveman]

What in God's name is an Easter Worshipper? I know these scum are all anti-Christian, but really , not to be able even to say the word...

It's pathetic how the anti-Christian idiots, bend themselves into knots trying to avoid just saying "christian".

What do they care? Seriously, who cares? Say Christian! Saying the word, doesn't make you one, anymore than saying 747 makes me a jet.

This is like "Happy Turkey Day!".... it's not a turkey day. There have been some Thanksgivings we didn't even have Turkey.

You know what we've never had? A Thanksgiving, where we didn't give thanks.

Pagans are so pathetic.

These are the same people who believe the word "god" has no business being uttered in public -- unless, of course, it's followed by "damn America".

They have no problem with that.

 

[Darkwind]

What in God's name is an Easter Worshipper? I know these scum are all anti-Christian, but really , not to be able even to say the word...

They are fucking morons.

No one worships Easter. They worship Christ and celebrate his resurrection.

 

[ABikerSailor]

WTF is an Easter worshipper???

Someone who believes that rabbits lay chocolate eggs?

What fuckwits!!!

An Easter worshiper is someone who attends an Easter service to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In other words, a Christian.

Then why didn't they just say that?

Probably because they wanted to bring attention to the fact that it was done during Easter services. Besides, Christian Easter Worshipers is kinda redundant, because only Christians celebrate Easter.

 

[daveman]

What in God's name is an Easter Worshipper? I know these scum are all anti-Christian, but really , not to be able even to say the word...

To all these people who are claiming this is a self-explanatory term, you might note that it's never been used before this incident. Search the date range on Google.

Easter Rebellion (a/k/a Easter Rising) - uprising against colonial rule by Britain in Ireland named for the week it took place --- Easter Week in 1916. Easy time reference.

Easter Island - in the south Pacific (Spanish: Isla de Pascuca, which means the same thing), politically part of Chile, ethnically Polynesian, home of the Moai (see below), named by a Dutch navigator who discovered it on Easter Sunday in 1722. Again, easy time reference.

The Moai:

So yeah, it's been used as an adjective for centuries. And there's also a Christmas Island, named the same way.

Didn't need Da Googles for this. They're fairly well known.

Nice attempt, but no go. The term "Easter worshipper" is unprecedented, and doesn't appear in either of your references.

Or are you claiming the issue is the use of "Easter" as an adjective? If that's your "bail-out", then duh - "Easter Sunday", and no need for your inane deflection. Keep trying, it is funny!

I noted the grammatical function when the question was first asked. The above was a reprise.

Your premise was that that usage had not been done before. It has. Three hundred years ago.

Again, ever heard of for example Christmas cactus? Named for the season when it blossoms, and named the same way in French, German and Spanish for the same reason (and sometimes in the US called "Thanksgiving cactus" when horticulturalists vend it early), while in the southern hemisphere in Brazil it's called the "May flower". Plus it sounds nicer than ""Schlumbergera" to the non-Teutonic ear.

Again, a time marker. Adjective qualifying "when". Christmas cactus don't climb down no chimneys and Christmas Island is not where Santa goes for vacation.

Same with "Easter Sunday" for that matter. Which Sunday? Easter Sunday. Specific. You can denote anything to be scheduled to happen on "Easter Sunday" without it being worship.

At the same time "Easter worshiper" is a bit clumsy as its first implication is that somebody is worshiping Easter.

Easter Parade...
Fourth of July picnic....
Halowe'en candy....

One other aspect that hasn't been mentioned -- the images in the OP are of Twits, which limit their space to (I think) 140 characters. That means things have to be abbreviated. "Easter worshiper" denotes both the time and what the people were doing. It's more specific than "churchgoers" and shorter than "people who went to church for Easter". It sets both the time and the action, ergo developing sympathy. That such worshipers would be "Christian" is already a given; the phrase identifies what they were specifically doing -- meaning a high level of vulnerability.

"Easter worshiper" -- 16 characters.

"Christians" -- 10 characters.

You fail.

 

[B. Kidd]

WTF is an Easter worshipper???

Someone who believes that rabbits lay chocolate eggs?

What fuckwits!!!

An Easter worshiper is someone who attends an Easter service to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. In other words, a Christian.

Then why didn't they just say that?

Probably because they wanted to bring attention to the fact that it was done during Easter services. Besides, Christian Easter Worshipers is kinda redundant, because only Christians celebrate Easter.

You really overthought this!

 

[daveman]

Imagine their posts if this had happened in a mosque.

Holy crap. A little different, I'd guess.

Are you aware it did not just happen at a church but also hotels and shops...and Sri Lanka is less than 8% Christian.


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Yes, I am aware of that.
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Yet your continue to perpetrate the idea that not mentioning Christians is an attack on Christianity itself.


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Nope, never said that.

What I have said, many times, is that the Left has adopted Islam as its pet constituent oppressed victim religion, and that the hypocrisies and inconsistencies in the way they treat the two religions are blatantly transparent and obvious.
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Exactly and I'm sure when Ramadan rolls around Obama and Hillary will give a shout out to Ramadan worshipers... It's also interesting there is no mention of who committed the attacks.

Ramadan isn't a day, Einstein. Easter is.

Wait -- do you think the "Easter rebellion" was when the bunnies protested the church taking their holiday away?

Ever heard of "Christmas cactus"?
How 'bout "Christmas Island"? Guess what day it was when that place was "discovered".
Bonus points --- guess what day it was when "Easter Island" was sighted by Europeans.

"Hallowe'en candy"? Ever hear of that?

What does the length of days have to do with my comment? The point is Obama and Hillary used a phrase to slight Christians while also refusing to acknowledge a terrorist attack injuring hundreds and killing over 200 Christian was committed by Muslim jihadist.

The point is, you appear to be a drone following parrot orders instead of breaking a brain sweat.

Also interesting that you have motivations while no one else does.

There is something called Easter Worship which refers to a service celebrating Easter, the people who attend Easter Worship are called Christians not Easter Worshipers.

It is clear Obama and Hillary used a coordinated made up phrase of Easter Worshipers to avoid identifying Christians as victims of an Islamic terrorist attack.

What is clear is that you people are playing the religion card. You can't point to any discrimination so you make it up. Your intent is to divide people for cheap political gains. Neither of you are Christians.

There is no discrimination against Christians?

I know a baker who would disagree. More seriously, I know there are a lot of Christians who have been killed for the faith -- some of them last Sunday.

 

[daveman]

Why should they say 'Christians'?

Christians - like all major, God Clud followers - are either weak and/or ignorant and/or desperate.

I mean...you have to be pretty, fucking stupid to base your life on some old book that espouses slavery, murder, rape, mass pedophelia and a whole bunch of other shit.

God is a piece of shit. I am not mad at him...I just think he is a piece of excrement. And if I am wrong...I dare the fucker to strike me dead in the next 10 seconds.

...

Nope...still here.

What a loser this fraud is.

Maybe because that's what they WERE, and refusing to say it just reveals a similar level of nasty bigoted hatred to what your post just did.

You have my pity. It must suck to be such a bitter, negative, miserable human being, and yet to be plagued with an outsized and utterly undeserved ego.

While you're suffering a shoulder separation from patting yourself on the back for self-infatuated unequalled snark-brilliance where as usual you get to put others down nine ways from Easter Sunday, consider this all-too-simple fact, maybe so simple lt flew over your hookah:

Everybody who is a Christian is a Christian. That's a given. ONLY those who were in Sri Lanka in houses of worship on Easter Sunday however qualify as "that's what they were", and of them, only those present where bombs went off. Hence the term is what we call "specific". Which means 99.99repeating% of the set called "Christians" cannot be applied here. In smaller words, they were not the body of "Christians" --- they were a very specific set of that body.

That'll be $758.55. Make the check out to "Captain Obvious". And get that shoulder looked at.

Maybe you can use that money to find the first use of the phrase "Easter worshippers".

Hint: It's been less than a week.

 

[daveman]

What a crazy thread. Obama and Hillary are real practicing Christians. Trump is the first atheist president in a long. long time.

I can't imagine what makes you think either Obama or Hillary are "real practicing Christians", other than blind, slavish devotion. Can't say what either of them thinks or believes in their own minds and hearts; I'm not God. But certainly nothing about their actions ever indicates such a thing. Perhaps you're one of those drones who thinks any word out of the mouths of your idols must automatically be true. If so, I pity you.

And there DEFINITELY is no reason to believe Trump is an atheist, other than similarly blind, mindless hatred. You might want to look into cult deprogramming, so that you can finally think for yourself like real people do.

So on one hand you admit you can't say what's in people's minds and hearts, and before you even take a breath you're declaring what's in people's minds and hearts.

This is why you have me on ignore. You know I'll bust your ass. Wid a quickness. And you can't handle it.

Good Gaea, you're so full of yourself, you pompous moron. LOL!

 

[daveman]

Imagine their posts if this had happened in a mosque.

Holy crap. A little different, I'd guess.

Are you aware it did not just happen at a church but also hotels and shops...and Sri Lanka is less than 8% Christian.


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"In a statement carried Tuesday by the Islamic State’s Amaq News Agency, the extremist group said Sunday’s attacks targeted Christians and “coalition countries” and were carried out by fighters from its organization."

Sri Lanka Easter bombings retaliation for Christchurch mosque shootings, says official

muslim terrorist: we killed christians on purpose

white american liberal: no you didnt

 

[Mac1958]

We can depend on the illiberal, authoritarian Regressive Left to always put forth a passionate, spirited defense of the most illiberal, authoritarian religion on the planet. To look for any reason to excuse each other for watching their words to avoid offending that religion, at any expense; including directly after the latest atrocity by fundamentalists of that religion.

That one religion. Mention the religion that begins with "C", and suddenly they're significantly less willing to do the very same thing.

I guess being dependable is a good thing, huh?
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[Ambivalent1]

You new to Engrish?

Obviously "Easter" here is a time reference. If it had been May Day they would have been "May Day worshipers". Wouldn't even involve a Maypole.

'Christians' worship/celebrate Jesus' resurrection on Easter. There is no such thing as 'Easter Worshipers.'

Sure there is, depending on how the adjective is used.

Just as there's such a thing as "Fourth of July picnickers". That tells you WHEN they were picnicking.
Just as "Tax Day mailers" tells us WHEN they were mailing.
Just as "Easter Island" tells us when it was 'discovered'.

As mentioned it is kind of clumsy in that --- if taken alone out of its context --- it seems to imply people worshiping Easter itself. But it did have context to focus it. And again, Easter Island isn't decorated with eggs and bunnies soooooooo......there ya go. Context is crucial.

As you correctly note, Easter is a specifically Catholic/Christian observance. Therefore those worshiping because the day is Easter, are obviously Christians. Who else could they be? Shintoists?

Poor Pogo, as I have shown "Easter" is a noun.

 

[daveman]

What in God's name is an Easter Worshipper? I know these scum are all anti-Christian, but really , not to be able even to say the word...

Ēostre - Wikipedia Another pagan holiday stolen by christians.

I've never understood this "argument".

So there was a pagan holiday in the what... 2nd century that was possibly the precursor to what we now have as Easter.

So what? Who cares? What is your point? And why should any Christian on the Earth today, give a crap about your point?

*sigh*.....

Well if that makes you feel better because you could win some money on Jeopardy with your tidbit of irrelevant history... knock yourself out.

Do you see any Christians caring about this? No.

Never ceases to amaze me at what lengths a hate filled Pagan will go to, to ignore Christians being murdered.

And don't tell me that isn't the purpose of your post, because the topic of the thread is Christians being murdered, and how pagans respond to it, and this was your post. So spare me your excuses that this wasn't your point.

So, that's where the name comes from. As well as all the fertility symbols. Rabbits, eggs and such. Nothing to do with Christianism and nothing to do with murders or "hate". Much like Christmas trees, lights, evergreens etc coming from ancient observations of the sun's seasonal movements.

It's not an "argument', it's simple history.

And no, the topic isn't about "how pagans responded to" anything. The OP quotes Hillary Clinton, Barack O'bama and Harry Khachatrian. Admittedly I don't know who the last one is.

Easter is a pagan, idolatrous celebration. Resurrection Day is associated with the resurrection of Jesus. Would you call a chocolate sundae a shit sandwich? Words matter stupid.

Would like to develop this a bit, since it's mostly been left out in the cold with the hidden "Easter eggs"....

>> Most major holidays have some connection to the changing of seasons. This is especially obvious in the case of Christmas. The New Testament gives no information about what time of year Jesus was born. Many scholars believe, however, that the main reason Jesus’ birth came to be celebrated on December 25 is because that was the date of the winter solstice according to the Roman calendar.

Since the days following the winter solstice gradually become longer and less dark, it was ideal symbolism for the birth of “the light of the world”as stated in the New Testament’s Gospel of John.

Similar was the case with Easter, which falls in close proximity to another key point in the solar year: the vernal equinox (around March 20), when there are equal periods of light and darkness. For those in northern latitudes, the coming of spring is often met with excitement, as it means an end to the cold days of winter.

Spring also means the coming back to life of plants and trees that have been dormant for winter, as well as the birth of new life in the animal world. Given the symbolism of new life and rebirth, it was only natural to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus at this time of the year.

The naming of the celebration as “Easter” seems to go back to the name of a pre-Christian goddess in England, Eostre, who was celebrated at beginning of spring. The only reference to this goddess comes from the writings of the Venerable Bede, a British monk who lived in the late seventh and early eighth century. As religious studies scholar Bruce Forbes summarizes:

“Bede wrote that the month in which English Christians were celebrating the resurrection of Jesus had been called Eosturmonath ("Eostre month") in Old English, referring to a goddess named Eostre. And even though Christians had begun affirming the Christian meaning of the celebration, they continued to use the name of the goddess to designate the season.”
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Bede was so influential for later Christians that the name stuck, and hence Easter remains the name by which the English, Germans and Americans refer to the festival of Jesus’ resurrection. <<​

(but not the Romance languages or the other Germanic ones; see post 190)

Connection with Passover

>> In the Hebrew Bible, Passover is a festival that commemorates the liberation of the Jewish people from slavery in Egypt, as narrated in the Book of Exodus. It was and continues to be the most important Jewish seasonal festival, celebrated on the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

At the time of Jesus, Passover had special significance, as the Jewish people were again under the dominance of foreign powers (namely, the Romans). Jewish pilgrims streamed into Jerusalem every year in the hope that God’s chosen people (as they believed themselves to be) would soon be liberated once more.

On one Passover, Jesus traveled to Jerusalem with his disciples to celebrate the festival. He entered Jerusalem in a triumphal procession and created a disturbance in the Jerusalem Temple. It seems that both of these actions attracted the attention of the Romans, and that as a result Jesus was executed around the year A.D. 30.

Some of Jesus’ followers, however, believed that they saw him alive after his death, experiences that gave birth to the Christian religion. As Jesus died during the Passover festival and his followers believed he was resurrected from the dead three days later, it was logical to commemorate these events in close proximity.

.... By choosing this date, they put the focus on when Jesus died and also emphasized continuity with the Judaism out of which Christianity emerged. Some others instead preferred to hold the festival on a Sunday, since that was when Jesus’ tomb was believed to have been found.

In A.D. 325, the Emperor Constantine, who favored Christianity, convened a meeting of Christian leaders to resolve important disputes at the Council of Nicaea. The most fateful of its decisions was about the status of Christ, whom the council recognized as “fully human and fully divine.” This council also resolved that Easter should be fixed on a Sunday, not on day 14 of Nisan. As a result, Easter is now celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon of the vernal equinox.
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(Poster NB: this Council actually voted Jesus into divinity, and not unanimously, to settle regional differences on whether or not Jesus was the Son-o-God, whereupon all known previous bibles were destroyed)

... In early America, the Easter festival was far more popular among Catholics than Protestants. For instance, the New England Puritans regarded both Easter and Christmas as too tainted by non-Christian influences to be appropriate to celebrate. Such festivals also tended to be opportunities for heavy drinking and merrymaking.<<​

(Indeed celebrating Christmas was actually illegal in early Massachusetts)

>> From the 17th century onward, there was an increasing recognition of childhood as as time of life that should be joyous, not simply as preparatory for adulthood. This “discovery of childhood” and the doting upon children had profound effects on how Easter was celebrated.

It is at this point in the holiday’s development that Easter eggs and the Easter bunny become especially important. Decorated eggs had been part of the Easter festival at least since medieval times, given the obvious symbolism of new life. A vast amount of folklore surrounds Easter eggs,and in a number of Eastern European countries, the process of decorating them is extremely elaborate. Several Eastern European legends describe eggs turning red (a favorite color for Easter eggs) in connection with the events surrounding Jesus’ death and resurrection.

... Yet it was only in the 17th century that a German tradition of an “Easter hare” bringing eggs to good children came to be known. Hares and rabbits had a long association with spring seasonal rituals because of their amazing powers of fertility.

When German immigrants settled in Pennsylvania in the 18th and 19th centuries, they brought this tradition with them. << --- source link here​

So there it is, a celebration of Nature's fecundity.

Or as some wags would have it, "EEEEBIL!"

Aside from elaborately decorated eggs mentioned above here's another interesting custom:

>> The Czech Republic has a rather unusual tradition on Easter Monday. Boys get willow branches, braid them together into whips and decorate them with ribbons to whip girls with for luck and fertility. The word for this whip in Czech is pomlázka, which has also become the name of the tradition itself. To learn more about pomlázka I interviewed three Czechs. The first is a 17 year-old-girl with several brothers, the second is an active feminist and the third is an expert on Czech folklore. << ---- audio feature at the link

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Odd. The phrase "Easter worshippers" is not in there anywhere.

 

[daveman]

So the right here get all worked up about using a factually correct word...

But the President clearly doesn’t know the Bible and lies about it... sure that’s a pass...

This thread shows GOP is gone tribal... it is not about being right or wrong, loyalty to the tribe what matters

Nope, when Trump screws up religion, it gets mentioned. YOU may not notice or remember, but that's remarkably meaningless.

The right is worked up because they didn't just not mention it; they both deliberately used the same weird, awkward phrasing to try to mention it without actually mentioning it. Had they simply generically said "these attacks", as so many other people did, it wouldn't have been noticeable.

Once AGAIN ---- using the term "worshipers" denotes vulnerability. Which makes the crime more heinous.

So the non-Christians who were killed are less tragic?

Dood. You've dug yourself in a deep enough hole. You should probably stop now.

 

[daveman]

Easter is not Christian. It's a damned pagan fertility celebration of the goddess Ishtar. No self respecting Christian should be hunting for eggs or celebrating the 'Easter bunny'.

Okay, look, dimwit. Let me see if I can put this in words you can understand.

Oklahoma became a state on November 16, 1907. I was born on the same day, decades later. Does that mean that every birthday celebration I have is ACTUALLY a celebration of Oklahoma becoming a state? No. A day of celebration is in celebration of whatever the fuck the people celebrating it are celebrating it for. It does not matter what OTHER occasions OTHER people are celebrating, and it sure as shit doesn't matter what other occasions other people USED to celebrate that day so many fucking centuries ago that your stupid ass had to look it up on the Internet in order to piss and moan and attack people over.

And if I like bunny rabbits and eggs filled with candy, then I will frigging HAVE bunny rabbits and candy-filled eggs, and unless you're my pastor or God, I don't answer to you about how I practice my religion.

Hope we've cleared that up.

You are confused. Please seek help.

I just heard, "I can't refute you, but I'm too big an asshole to admit you're right." Was that what you intended to say, or did it just come out accidentally?

Which sounds amazingly similar to "I see how you just smashed my argument into little pieces but I'm gonna put you on Ignore and go so that I don't see it".

You really suck at this.

 

[francoHFW]

What in God's name is an Easter Worshipper? I know these scum are all anti-Christian, but really , not to be able even to say the word...

They were in church or restaurant buffets for Easter, and you are an idiot anyway.....

 

[daveman]

Yes, I am aware of that.
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Yet your continue to perpetrate the idea that not mentioning Christians is an attack on Christianity itself.


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Nope, never said that.

What I have said, many times, is that the Left has adopted Islam as its pet constituent oppressed victim religion, and that the hypocrisies and inconsistencies in the way they treat the two religions are blatantly transparent and obvious.
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What does the length of days have to do with my comment? The point is Obama and Hillary used a phrase to slight Christians while also refusing to acknowledge a terrorist attack injuring hundreds and killing over 200 Christian was committed by Muslim jihadist.

The point is, you appear to be a drone following parrot orders instead of breaking a brain sweat.

Also interesting that you have motivations while no one else does.

There is something called Easter Worship which refers to a service celebrating Easter, the people who attend Easter Worship are called Christians not Easter Worshipers.

It is clear Obama and Hillary used a coordinated made up phrase of Easter Worshipers to avoid identifying Christians as victims of an Islamic terrorist attack.

What is clear is that you people are playing the religion card. You can't point to any discrimination so you make it up. Your intent is to divide people for cheap political gains. Neither of you are Christians.

What is clear is that YOU people only object to "playing the religion card" - or whatever card - when it's not you doing it. YOU can't acknowledge any discrimination that isn't against one of your own pet groups, so you try to pretend it doesn't exist. Your intent is to divide people for cheap political gains. If you were the Christian you pretend to be when it suits you, you would know that you just committed a sin.

It's worth re-noting here that the idea that the two Twits in the OP were actively AVOIDING using the term "Christian" ---- is nothing more than the trolling of an obvious troll. It has Zero evidence.

Why anybody would run with something an entity who calls himself "White MAGAman" pulled out of his own ass as gospel, pun intended (and then ran away) is a question for psychologists.

You found the first use of the phrase "Easter worshippers" yet?

 

[daveman]

Yet your continue to perpetrate the idea that not mentioning Christians is an attack on Christianity itself.


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Nope, never said that.

What I have said, many times, is that the Left has adopted Islam as its pet constituent oppressed victim religion, and that the hypocrisies and inconsistencies in the way they treat the two religions are blatantly transparent and obvious.
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The point is, you appear to be a drone following parrot orders instead of breaking a brain sweat.

Also interesting that you have motivations while no one else does.

There is something called Easter Worship which refers to a service celebrating Easter, the people who attend Easter Worship are called Christians not Easter Worshipers.

It is clear Obama and Hillary used a coordinated made up phrase of Easter Worshipers to avoid identifying Christians as victims of an Islamic terrorist attack.

What is clear is that you people are playing the religion card. You can't point to any discrimination so you make it up. Your intent is to divide people for cheap political gains. Neither of you are Christians.

The point is to show the hypocrisy by those on the left when it comes to terror attacks committed by Muslims.

They know it. This is how they avoid discussing it - putting others on the defensive.

Deflect/Pivot/Attack.

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Once AGAIN --- the only suggestion that anybody was "avoiding" anything is from the troll who started this Checkers-speech thread and then bravely ran away. He rang a bell, y'all obediently salivated.

If you're that gullible that you'll swallow whole whatever suggestion a "White MAGAman" suggests, then I have a whole SERIES of bridges on which I'll make you a package deal.

I'm sorry, it's hard to understand you with Hillary's entire ass in your mouth.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You new to Engrish?

Obviously "Easter" here is a time reference. If it had been May Day they would have been "May Day worshipers". Wouldn't even involve a Maypole.

'Christians' worship/celebrate Jesus' resurrection on Easter. There is no such thing as 'Easter Worshipers.'

Sure there is, depending on how the adjective is used.

Just as there's such a thing as "Fourth of July picnickers". That tells you WHEN they were picnicking.
Just as "Tax Day mailers" tells us WHEN they were mailing.
Just as "Easter Island" tells us when it was 'discovered'.

As mentioned it is kind of clumsy in that --- if taken alone out of its context --- it seems to imply people worshiping Easter itself. But it did have context to focus it. And again, Easter Island isn't decorated with eggs and bunnies soooooooo......there ya go. Context is crucial.

As you correctly note, Easter is a specifically Catholic/Christian observance. Therefore those worshiping because the day is Easter, are obviously Christians. Who else could they be? Shintoists?

Poor Pogo, as I have shown "Easter" is a noun.

https://www.myenglishteacher.eu/blog/what-does-the-word-easter-mean/

Easter is usually used as a noun to describe the holiday, but can also be used as an adjective. The adjective form of the word is the same (Easter)

Have you never been to an Easter buffet?

Or an Easter Sunrise Service?

 

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