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  1. emilynghiem
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    emilynghiem Constitutionalist / Universalist Supporting Member

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    Hey! Aren't you just in time!
    I was just berating a friend of mine on here
    for saying I was aligning too much with the rightwing
    for my Constitutional views. I ranted out a long msg
    about why can't I be a liberal progressive prochoice Democrat
    AND a Constitutionalist AND include left and right interests equally?

    And here you are, another Progressive and hopefully Constitutionalist.

    I hate being the only one as if only Conservative Christian Republicans
    have a monopoly on Constitutional law and authority to check govt.

    Thanks for joining in and may we see
    a successful peaceful reformation of our
    govt, economy and society by working together
    on effective sustainable solutions that meet
    the standards of ALL parties, not just our own.

    Why can we all unite on Constitutional values
    and use that as the umbrella to house all the other
    beliefs and visions we have collectively.

    Why can't we have unity and diversity both, without compromising either one?

    Thank you again!
    Enjoy your stay and I hope you will be
    one of those leading the people through
    the next stages of political reforms
    through Constitutional education and outreach.

    May the Spirit of the Laws find rebirth
    and unite all of us in our diverse roles
    and contributions to fulfill America's legacy.

    Yours truly,
    Emily

    Emily Nghiem
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    emilynghiem Constitutionalist / Universalist Supporting Member

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    Excuse me, please, but the couple who
    successfully sued the City of Tomball for violating 14th Amendment and civil rights laws regarding discrimination
    ARE self-proclaimed Marxists.

    They just don't go around IMPOSING their views on anyone else
    but respect the equal choice of beliefs of others. that doesn't mean you can't
    still be Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Anarchist or whatever.

    Their beliefs as Marxists did not stop them from using Constitutional laws and process
    to correct an unconstitutional problem.

    The city they sued had allowed the KKK to use a public facility for an event that unlawfully excluded
    members of the public on the basis of race. So this policy was successfully corrected going
    through the process by lawsuit, arguing that public facilities could not be used to discriminate.

    You can be an anarchist, communist, left or right activist, and
    still respect Constitutional laws, principles and process.

    If you are so selfish or so self-righteous to think that your beliefs are the
    ONE RIGHT WAY for ALL people that they should be imposed by govt,
    well, welcome to the human race. Why do you think Constitutional
    limits were set up -- because people will try to hijack govt and start imposing
    their own agenda. Big fat duh!

    So, Yes, there are people who ABUSE this process,
    and thus if you put PARTY interests or Political BELIEF
    BEFORE the Constitution, this violates Constitutional laws and ethics.
    It is a violation of the very laws or authority being invoked.

    It is contradictory for ANY person of ANY party to abuse govt
    to impose POLITICAL BELIEFS in violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments.

    We see this all the time, on both left and right, but
    * people only complain when the OTHER side does it
    * or people can't complain when they expect to benefit from the same practice of political bullying
    * and some people give up trying to stop it like trying to end war when it seems hopeless
    All the more reason we should stop this political bullying by forcing one set of beliefs
    down the next person's throat. We all know we don't want that done to us, WHY do we insist on
    cheering on when someone does it to someone else. Are we really unable to operate any other way?

    The Constitutional protections, respect and Inclusion of ALL people and ALL groups of all beliefs
    must come first, and then all other beliefs can be included equally under that Umbrella
    with no need to impose on each other. We can use our "free speech and press"
    "right to petition and due process" to resolve any conflict, grievance or objection that arises.
    We do not need to resort to bulldozing each other over every fault for political points.
    Why not correct the problems so that we all benefit from long term solutions.
    Are we even thinking about what is sustainable, and how we expect to solve
    all the problems and debts we face WITHOUT working together, with teams to cover
    all the ground that this entails to fix everything with our economy, govt and social systems.

    You CAN be a Constitutionalist AND any other label or group, religious or political,
    that is equally protected under free exercise of religion and equal protection
    from discrimination on the basis of CREED.

    The key is not to violate the same rights and beliefs of OTHERS,
    and that is where putting the Constitution first is so important.
     
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    emilynghiem Constitutionalist / Universalist Supporting Member

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    You can be a Constitutionalist first and a Communist second.
    You can be a Constitutioanlist first and a Progressive second.

    This is like saying you can be a Christian first, and a Catholic or Baptist second.
    or a Christian first and a Unitarian second, or even a Buddhist or Muslim.

    The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarians may not agree with each other
    over the Trinity, Baptism or Communion, etc.

    But if they put the central faith first, and their individual rituals and practices second,
    then their individual labels and denominational difference do not have to stand in the way
    of being united in Christ on the central policies that count so they can operate in unison.

    Uncensored2008 what I might say
    is you cannot say you defend equal Constitutional rights for all people including free exercise of
    BELIEF, "due process of the law" (ie innocence until proven guilty)
    and equal protection of the laws from discrimination by CREED,
    but then go around and violate DUE PROCESS by condemning, punishing and excluding people
    in advance, based on a label, before proving what that person did wrong.

    To do so would be invoking such "due process" for oneself, and equal protection of one's own beliefs and creed, while seeking to demolish the same rights of someone else based on your opinion of their beliefs. How does YOUR opinion of someone's label make THEM guilty of what YOU associate with that group? If our govt operated that way, and found us "guilty by association" we'd yell and scream. So why are we content to do this to our neighbor, when we would not want to be judged by the OPINION of someone else.

    We have too much of this destructive counterproductive behavior going on in the name of politics. If we are going to enforce Constitutional laws,
    and hold Govt accountable for "due process and equal protections"
    shouldn't we start with ourselves and make sure we respect the same standard principles.

    see also ethics-commission.net
     
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    I'm not sure how I missed this intro OP but... :lmao:
     
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    Statistikhengst תיקון עולם, this will never end Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    This is a pretty lively introduction thread....
     
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    I think the newbie needs a clown face.

    Can you help him with that Stat?

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    Statistikhengst תיקון עולם, this will never end Gold Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    I must say , you have added another, much needed intellectual level to this board! I'm just now getting around to reading and absorbing your excellent writing. Many people here, including myself can learn something from you. Unfortunately, certain people who need to learn the most, wont read it, will dismiss it as nonsense, or simply wont understand it. Thank you for being here.!
     
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    Thank YOU
    Now that there's a pair of us
    don't tell
    They banish us, you know!
    Ha ha wisdom from Emily Dickinson

    JK I am not denying you couldn't turn out to be a total fascist commie, the same way I've been pegged as a nazi bigot; it's just that so many ppl have worked so hard to destroy the country by imposing their beliefs as mandates, why give you all the credit for damage done by others?

    Not fair. You should at least prove what harm you've inflicted before earning any such reputation!

    Ppbbffftt Enjoy yourself here. Feel free to criticize and correct me if you think I'm going too far left or right and not staying centered where all paths agree.

    I can list for you the ppl here who can handle political diversity and the ones who can't, where you have to stay within their bounds or they go on the attack. Some ppl are not "bilingual" on here and can only speak rightwing or leftwing or they feel attacked and use namecalling and bullying to enforce their borders. If you can try not to take it personally, you can focus on ppl who arent so territorial and learn ALOT from ppl here. And in return I look forward to reading how you approach things and learn from you -- how to be a better leftwing Constitutional Nazi ! :)

    The Mods are generally reasonable and cool, too. Welcome aboard and go for it!

    If you get stuck unable to explain what you mean to someone making assumptions and projecting on you, PM me the msg or tag me with @ and I can try to help straighten out the language barrier. Either that or get us both labeled some new name for whatever we are!

    People here are generally workable with, even the ones deadset in their views who go on the attack to defend them. I find if we take the time and effort to finish talking out where the conflicts are really coming from, even if it takes other ppl stepping in, I believe consensus is possible by establishing true respect first, then any issues can be worked through instead of creating a political traffic jam, then yelling and screaming in road rage.

    Thanks in advance for your contributions here.
    We need more people to have full discussions in detail,
    to sort out what are beliefs that won't change from perceptions
    and information that can be changed, and not use shortcuts
    like insults or bullying to cut the exchange short.

    Change is going to take real deep internal work
    before we quit projecting outside ourselves and make
    huge political messes over differences we should not be afraid to confront.

    Thank you TheProgressivePatriot
    Hats off to you for reaching out and seeking
    to build bridges on common ground
    instead of more defensive walls for hiding behind.
     
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    I don't agree. The left is dedicated to top down control of the populace and the economy in the pursuit of "fairness." This is in direct conflict to the US Constitution and the guarantees of individual liberty.

    In a free society, people are free from discrimination BY THE GOVERNMENT. Where we go astray is when we dictate the thoughts and actions of individuals. I have no right to tell you who to like, who to make friends with. Free people decide who they will associate with and conduct business with.
     

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