Hello, I am a conservative.

Well I am glad to see that there are some of them idiots like catzmeow that dream of being some sort of cosmos star pilot. To many movies clouded his mind, myself I would rather travel through the stargate. Much faster. LOL

I'm sad to see that there are people who would risk our bill of rights and historic freedoms for a temporary bogeyman. :( And then, have the audacity to call themselves conservative.

And still you have not proved at all where the Patriot Act has been used on an American Citizen. So it is you that simply don't understand the issue on how the Patriot Act has preserved freedom. It is you that would rather have the government lay down and let our enemies take over. It is you that is the Obama socialist ass kisser. It is you that is the liberal brain washed moron that don't understand what defending our shores is all about.:eusa_shifty: Watch them shifty eyes of the so called conservatives that act like the socialist in the closet. You can see how Cat Stevens turned out, now that cat is out of the cradle an is coming out.

There is another American with an arabic name I can't remember, but also Hose Padilla. Google his name. He was held indefinately without due process. He's an American citizen.

Bottom line is that they did to him what you don't think they can do to an American citizen. Bush used his "war powers" to do it.

And from what I heard lately, they just made it officially legal to do so. And Obama signed it. That's scary. So if you are an enemy of the state, whatever that means, then they can lock you up and not give you your day in court.

I don't want guys like Dick Chaney having that kind of power. He abused his power. He even had a guy arrested for telling him that he doesn't like him. It was in a mall. Later the charges were dropped but the guy was arrested right in front of his kid. Just for saying he doesn't approve of Chaney's policies. You don't remember this? American conservatives have short/selective memories.
 
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I am a conservative that wants to keep the rights that our forefathers fought for. There is a reason that this country of just over 200 years has become the country it has. It is because of the freedom the US Constitution has given us. We can't give up those freedoms that our forefathers bled and died for.

I don't like the way the country is headed, and feel we need to wake up and look at the history of the world. History shows us that the direction we are heading leads to a weak recovery to this nation.

The rich and the corporations have taken over our country. What "freedom" is being taken away? Do you mean the Patriot Act or the bill they passed just recently that allowed them to lock you up indefinately without due process if you are deemed an "enemy of the state"?

Do you mean how they can now spy on your phone calls?

How does any of this make you a conservative? Us liberals want to put a stop to this too. Maybe you are a liberal and don't even know it.

What do you do for a living? Are you retired now? If so, what did you do? How many hours a week did you work? How much money do you have saved up? Do you collect social security and medicare? Do you think corporations should be able to pit American workers against Chinese wages?

Are you Reagan conservative or Paul Ryan conservative? Do you like Boehner & Mitch McConnell? Do you watch Fox News? Was bailing out GM a good idea? Do you beleive we were lied into war with Iraq?
 
I am a conservative that wants to keep the rights that our forefathers fought for. There is a reason that this country of just over 200 years has become the country it has. It is because of the freedom the US Constitution has given us. We can't give up those freedoms that our forefathers bled and died for.

I don't like the way the country is headed, and feel we need to wake up and look at the history of the world. History shows us that the direction we are heading leads to a weak recovery to this nation.

The rich and the corporations have taken over our country. What "freedom" is being taken away? Do you mean the Patriot Act or the bill they passed just recently that allowed them to lock you up indefinately without due process if you are deemed an "enemy of the state"?

Do you mean how they can now spy on your phone calls?

How does any of this make you a conservative? Us liberals want to put a stop to this too. Maybe you are a liberal and don't even know it.

What do you do for a living? Are you retired now? If so, what did you do? How many hours a week did you work? How much money do you have saved up? Do you collect social security and medicare? Do you think corporations should be able to pit American workers against Chinese wages?

Are you Reagan conservative or Paul Ryan conservative? Do you like Boehner & Mitch McConnell? Do you watch Fox News? Was bailing out GM a good idea? Do you beleive we were lied into war with Iraq?

fuk u - with all your BS questions idiot troll

You no liberal.... your an overbearing asshole!
 
Yea, old FDR only brought us the greatest yearly increase in GDP, and the largest drop in unemployment in America history.

He probably should have kept on Andrew Mellon as his Treasury Secretary and followed the advice of the Austrian School like Herbert Hoover did.

You actually just said that Hoover was Austrian school?

:cuckoo::eek::cuckoo:

Clearly you're a partisan liar, so why would ANYONE pay heed to the bullshit you post?

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

Wow, depression has a drop in GNP? Damn, who would have guessed?

Since your post is cut&paste from the hate sites, I'm discarding it.

Economists judge the "New Deal Era" as being between 1933-39. Why? Because the war has it's own economy. Partisan hacks, who do your thinking for you, like to include the war as a New Deal policy.

In 1932, employment was 18% below 1929 peak. Between 1933 and 1939, employment averaged 23% below 1929 peak.

In 1939, the average American worker earned 27% LESS than they had in 1929. How do we rectify the the rise in GNP and the decline in average wealth? Simple, The National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA). NIRA created monopolies for well connected looters and used to the federal government to crush start up competitors. GNP growth was limited to the 1%: faithful party members and Roosevelt inner-circle members. NIRA organizations had to be Union by law, and the workers in NIRA industries enjoyed wages far beyond what average Americans did, after all, NIRA companies could charge anything they wanted for products, federal law prohibited any competition. The SCOTUS held NIRA unconstitutional and the law was struck down. FDR's cartel continued though, in a less open manner.

Every few years, leftists attempt to rewrite history, as those doing your thinking for you have done.
 
Yea, old FDR only brought us the greatest yearly increase in GDP, and the largest drop in unemployment in America history.

He probably should have kept on Andrew Mellon as his Treasury Secretary and followed the advice of the Austrian School like Herbert Hoover did.

You actually just said that Hoover was Austrian school?

:cuckoo::eek::cuckoo:

Clearly you're a partisan liar, so why would ANYONE pay heed to the bullshit you post?

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

Wow, depression has a drop in GNP? Damn, who would have guessed?

Since your post is cut&paste from the hate sites, I'm discarding it.

Economists judge the "New Deal Era" as being between 1933-39. Why? Because the war has it's own economy. Partisan hacks, who do your thinking for you, like to include the war as a New Deal policy.

In 1932, employment was 18% below 1929 peak. Between 1933 and 1939, employment averaged 23% below 1929 peak.

In 1939, the average American worker earned 27% LESS than they had in 1929. How do we rectify the the rise in GNP and the decline in average wealth? Simple, The National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA). NIRA created monopolies for well connected looters and used to the federal government to crush start up competitors. GNP growth was limited to the 1%: faithful party members and Roosevelt inner-circle members. NIRA organizations had to be Union by law, and the workers in NIRA industries enjoyed wages far beyond what average Americans did, after all, NIRA companies could charge anything they wanted for products, federal law prohibited any competition. The SCOTUS held NIRA unconstitutional and the law was struck down. FDR's cartel continued though, in a less open manner.

Every few years, leftists attempt to rewrite history, as those doing your thinking for you have done.

What 'hate sites' did I use as reference? Be specific. You post hard numbers without a link? Where is your reference? That is a violation that should be addressed by a moderator.
 
What 'hate sites' did I use as reference? Be specific.

ThinkProgress, democratic underground, etc.

You post hard numbers without a link? Where is your reference?

Son, I've posted this so many times it's off the top of my head.

How Government Prolonged the Depression - WSJ.com

UCLA Economists: FDR’s Policies Prolonged Great Depression by 7 Years : What's Best Next

That is a violation that should be addressed by a moderator.

ROFL

Your lack of content in your nutsack should be addressed by castration - oops, too late.
 
What 'hate sites' did I use as reference? Be specific.

ThinkProgress, democratic underground, etc.

You post hard numbers without a link? Where is your reference?

Son, I've posted this so many times it's off the top of my head.

How Government Prolonged the Depression - WSJ.com

UCLA Economists: FDR’s Policies Prolonged Great Depression by 7 Years : What's Best Next

That is a violation that should be addressed by a moderator.

ROFL

Your lack of content in your nutsack should be addressed by castration - oops, too late.

I asked you to be specific. You chose to LIE. Please show me where I used ThinkProgress or democratic underground?

You use the Wall Street Journal and THAT is not a partisan source? WOW, and then you call me 'son?

I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde
 
I asked you to be specific.

Who gives a fuck, you pompous little fairy?

You chose to LIE.

I don't lie, son.

Please show me where I used ThinkProgress or democratic underground?

Please go fuck a duck.

Your cut&paste originated with Berkley, as you cited, and was used on "The Burning Platform" (a leftist hate site) and "Keynesian Solutions," a site for leftist economics.

You use the Wall Street Journal and THAT is not a partisan source?

I didn't use a source at all. I did something you cannot grasp, I posted my own thoughts. You whined like a little bitch, so I offered a couple of supporting documents, moron.

WOW, and then you call me 'son?

Calling you "bitch" seemed rude, regardless of the accuracy in using the term.
 
I asked you to be specific.

Who gives a fuck, you pompous little fairy?

You chose to LIE.

I don't lie, son.



Please go fuck a duck.

Your cut&paste originated with Berkley, as you cited, and was used on "The Burning Platform" (a leftist hate site) and "Keynesian Solutions," a site for leftist economics.

You use the Wall Street Journal and THAT is not a partisan source?

I didn't use a source at all. I did something you cannot grasp, I posted my own thoughts. You whined like a little bitch, so I offered a couple of supporting documents, moron.

WOW, and then you call me 'son?

Calling you "bitch" seemed rude, regardless of the accuracy in using the term.

Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.
Thomas Jefferson

Your ridicule tell me you are losing badly.

Gee, my source originated with Berkley. So I guess we should throw that out and go with yours...

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.
 
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Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.
Thomas Jefferson

Your ridicule tell me you are losing badly.

Gee, my source originated with Berkley. So I guess we should throw that out and go with yours...

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

My ridicule just means that I think you're a pompous little fairy.

Once you declared Hoover "of the Austrian school," you couldn't be taken seriously.
 
Welcome. Now allow me to unload both barrels and say jeez, another whining conservative who has lost a world that never existed, but pines for it as if it were heaven on earth. So sad your loss, now cheer up and change coats, it's half time in America and America moves forward.

Think about this for a second, no nation was ever founded by a conservative, no conservative has ever been able to answer my simple question naming one accomplishment of a so called conservative that has helped America or the world, none nada never. So where does that leave you? Well the only answer is the obvious one, conservatives exist only to whine. Think about it? No accomplishments. Now look just a bit deeper, Coolidge/Hoover = Great depression; Reagan/Bush = S&L Bailout, It's the economy Stupid!; Bush Jr = Great Recession, an almost complete collapse of the economy, two unnecessary wars, and 911. All created massive deficits, all had negative or marginal job creation. Now tell me how anyone could ever claim to be a conservative?

If anyone wants to understand political conservatism, I suggest Albert O. Hirschman's brilliant 'The Rhetoric of Reaction.' "He argues that a triplet of 'rhetorical' criticisms--perversity, futility, and jeopardy--'has been unfailingly leveled' by 'reactionaries' at each major progressive reform of the past 300 years--those T. H. Marshall identified with the advancement of civil, political and social rights of citizenship...Charmingly written, this book can benefit a diverse readership." The Rhetoric of Reaction - Albert O. Hirschman - Harvard University Press.

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Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us.
Thomas Jefferson

Your ridicule tell me you are losing badly.

Gee, my source originated with Berkley. So I guess we should throw that out and go with yours...

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

My ridicule just means that I think you're a pompous little fairy.

Once you declared Hoover "of the Austrian school," you couldn't be taken seriously.

Then you need to ridicule yourself, because I never declared Hoover "of the Austrian school", I said he followed the advice of Mellon and the Austrian School.

Hoover himself laments taking the advice of the 'liquidationists' in his memoir.

HERE is what I said.

Yea, old FDR only brought us the greatest yearly increase in GDP, and the largest drop in unemployment in America history.

He probably should have kept on Andrew Mellon as his Treasury Secretary and followed the advice of the Austrian School like Herbert Hoover did.

Economic Policy Under Hoover

Throughout this decline—which carried real GNP per worker down to a level 40 percent below that which it had attained in 1929, and which saw the unemployment rise to take in more than a quarter of the labor force—the government did not try to prop up aggregate demand. The only expansionary fiscal policy action undertaken was the Veterans’ Bonus, passed over President Hoover’s veto. That aside, the full employment budget surplus did not fall over 1929–33.

The Federal Reserve did not use open market operations to keep the nominal money supply from falling. Instead, its only significant systematic use of open market operations was in the other direction: to raise interest rates and discourage gold outflows after the United Kingdom abandoned the gold standard in the fall of 1931.

This inaction did not come about because they did not understand the tools of monetary policy. This inaction did not come about because the Federal Reserve was constrained by the necessity of defending the gold standard. The Federal Reserve knew what it was doing: it was letting the private sector handle the Depression in its own fashion. It saw the private sector’s task as the “liquidation” of the American economy. It feared that expansionary monetary policy would impede the necessary private-sector process of readjustment.

Contemplating in retrospect the wreck of his country’s economy and his own presidency, Herbert Hoover wrote bitterly in his memoirs about those who had advised inaction during the downslide:

The ‘leave-it-alone liquidationists’ headed by Secretary of the Treasury Mellon…felt that government must keep its hands off and let the slump liquidate itself. Mr. Mellon had only one formula: ‘Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate’.…He held that even panic was not altogether a bad thing. He said: ‘It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent people’.


The Federal Reserve took almost no steps to halt the slide into the Great Depression over 1929–33. Instead, the Federal Reserve acted as if appropriate policy was not to try to avoid the oncoming Great Depression, but to allow it to run its course and “liquidate” the unprofitable portions of the private economy.

In adopting such “liquidationist” policies, the Federal Reserve was merely following the recommendations provided by an economic theory of depressions that was in fact common before the Keynesian Revolution and was held by economists like Friedrich Hayek, Lionel Robbins, and Joseph Schumpeter.


Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
 
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I am a conservative that wants to keep the rights that our forefathers fought for. There is a reason that this country of just over 200 years has become the country it has. It is because of the freedom the US Constitution has given us. We can't give up those freedoms that our forefathers bled and died for.

I don't like the way the country is headed, and feel we need to wake up and look at the history of the world. History shows us that the direction we are heading leads to a weak recovery to this nation.

The direction we are heading leads to total collapse of this nation.
 
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Then you need to ridicule yourself, because I never declared Hoover "of the Austrian school", I said he followed the advice of Mellon and the Austrian School.

That too is ignorant. Mellon wasn't an advocate of Menger. Von Mises and Hayek hadn't even published. Hell, Hayek was still in school.

Hoover himself laments taking the advice of the 'liquidationists' in his memoir.

Hoover was a socialist fool. His policies were the same as those of Roosevelt. Hoover and Roosevelt were thick as thieves. Fucking Woodrow Wilson asked Hoover to run as a DEMOCRAT to follow his term. Calvin Coolidge stated that Hoover would lead America down the path of Socialism, to ruin. (Coolidge was right.)

Hoover proposed Social Security, FDR got it passed, but it was a Hoover Plan. Hoover started the WPA, sending worker to build Hoover Damn as a government make-work project, FDR expanded the program. Hoover, not FDR, started FDIC, which was at the time named the national credit corporation (NCC.)

HERE is what I said.

Yea, old FDR only brought us the greatest yearly increase in GDP, and the largest drop in unemployment in America history.

He probably should have kept on Andrew Mellon as his Treasury Secretary and followed the advice of the Austrian School like Herbert Hoover did.



Repeating stupidity doesn't make it less stupid.

Mellon was an advocate of classical economics. Menger was at odds with classical. I doubt that Mellon had any clue who Menger was. Outside of Austria, no one did. It was Hayek in the 1950's who popularized Austrian economics.

Now, HAD Hoover followed the advice of Mellon, there would have been a short recession, rather than a great depression.

Cut the top income tax rate from 77 to 24 percent
Cut taxes on low incomes from 4 to 1/2 percent
Reduce the Federal Estate tax
Efficiency in government

What an idea...

But despite your distortion, Hoover publicly and vocally rejected the Mellon plan.
 

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