Heavy Precipitation Over the US: Has it Increased as Some have Predicted it Should?

[waltky]

possum wonderin'...

.. den how do ya `splain...

... the drought we been havin'?

 

[Saigon]

possum wonderin'...

.. den how do ya `splain...

... the drought we been havin'?

It depends where you live.

Some parts of the US are seeing more and more intense droughts than they would have 50 years ago.

Other parts of the US are seeing more floods than they would have 50 years ago.

As Editec commented earlier, it is not a single uniform trend right around the world.

The link I posted earlier in this thread has some decent maps and explanation on this.

 

[Katzndogz]

Weather is not static. There are times of drought, and we have had them in the past. There are times of flood and we have had them in the past. Every country has. We aren't special.

 

[daveman]

...and world socialism is the only thing that can save us.

What on earth are you talking about?

What the hell has socialism got to do with anything?

btw. Exactly WHO is recommenfing "world socialism"? Let's see the names.

Ottmar Edenhofer of the IPCC.

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy' | NewsBusters.org

(NZZ AM SONNTAG): The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.

(OTTMAR EDENHOFER, UN IPCC OFFICIAL): That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.

(NZZ): That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.

(EDENHOFER): Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet - and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 - there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

(NZZ): De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

(EDENHOFER): First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.​

And others not directly involved say it's necessary:

Rendezvous in Copenhagen

You want to succeed in Copenhagen? Proclaim that we must redistribute wealth and put a ceiling on income by establishing a maximum allowable income.​

The UN supports it:

U.N. Proposes Global Taxes to Fund

(CNSNews.com) – Prompting warnings of a “global governance” push, the United Nations released a report Thursday proposing mechanisms including a global carbon tax, currency transaction tax and a “billionaire’s tax,” to finance development and global needs such as combating climate change.

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(CNSNews.com) – Prompting warnings of a “global governance” push, the United Nations released a report Thursday proposing mechanisms including a global carbon tax, currency transaction tax and a “billionaire’s tax,” to finance development and global needs such as combating climate change.​

You really should start paying attention.

 

[daveman]

And to answer the OP's question...

Climate Change Already Having Impact On U.S., Expected To Worsen

ScienceDaily (June 17, 2009) — Extreme weather, drought, heavy rainfall and increasing temperatures are a fact of life in many parts of the US as a result of human-induced climate change, researchers report. These and other changes will continue and likely increase in intensity into the future, the scientists found. For the southwest region of the United States, which includes California, the report forecasts a hotter, drier climate with significant effects on the environment, agriculture and health.

Your article is three years old, and does not refute the OP.

 

[daveman]

Asterism -

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

If you have evidence to present that the IPCC are all socialists (guffaw!), then by all means lets see it.

Obviously that would be nonsense and nonsensical, but still....you did say it.

You're moving the goalposts.

My claim was that AR4 claimed that world socialism is the solution to global climate change.

Here's a glimpse into what this body proposed in AR4.

E. Policies, measures and instruments to mitigate climate change - AR4 WGIII Summary for Policymakers

"Taxes or carbon charges on fossil fuels "

"Mandatory fuel economy, biofuel blending and CO2 standards for road transport "

"Taxes on vehicle purchase, registration, use and motor fuels, road and parking pricing "

"Demand-side management programmes"



Please explain a structure of government that would allow such propositions to be realized world wide if not a world socialist government.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......oh my god, just when I think that these denier cult fools couldn't possibly get any more retarded, one like this comes along. This one seems to be as brainwashed and living-in-a-fantasy-world as a loyal North Korean, and even more ignorant about the real world outside of rightwingnutdom.

Hey, dumbass: He proved his case with direct quotes.

The denier fool is you.

 

[daveman]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL......oh my god, just when I think that these denier cult fools couldn't possibly get any more retarded, one like this comes along. This one seems to be as brainwashed and living-in-a-fantasy-world as a loyal North Korean, and even more ignorant about the real world outside of rightwingnutdom.

I agree totally.

My first reaction was that Asterism was being ironic...but then it didn't really seem that funny.

On the one hand I doubt he believes it, but on the other hand - he did say it.

Speaking of denier fools...

 

[Saigon]

Daveman -

OK. So what has anything you posted got to do with this evil global socialist plot?

All I see is one guy suggesting wealthier countries might give some aid to Africa to help protect those countries from floods or drought.

Haven't countries been giving aid for one reason or another for seveal hundred years without it being evil?

 

[Saigon]

Dave -

You must admit that Rolling Thunder's comments were laugh-out-loud funny....!

 

[Katzndogz]

The government is paying scientists to come to a predetermined result. Of course they are going to support the climate change hoax.

 

[Saigon]

The government is paying scientists to come to a predetermined result. Of course they are going to support the climate change hoax.

Right. Damn those Conservative governments and their socialist hoaxes!!

Honestly, man, when you post stuff like this - what possible response can you expect but laughter?

 

[Katzndogz]

The East Anglia memos proved that it was a hoax. James Hansen, NASA scientist and leading voice for global warming, is a major investor in companies formed to combat the dangers of climate change. Why do we have climate change instead of global warming? Because there is winter. There is winter where it's referred to as climate change and summer where it's called global warming.

We went through this before. In the 70s. Only then it was global cooling. It had never gotten cold before? Historically the planet has been much hotter and it has been much colder. These are natural cycles. There are more hurricanes today, not because of global warming, but because there were more hurricanes in the 40s and 50s.

Instead of realizing that these are natural occurrences, we have to find reasons and reasons based on circumstances that we, in monumental arrogance imagine we can control.

 

[Saigon]

Why do we have climate change instead of global warming? Because there is winter. There is winter where it's referred to as climate change and summer where it's called global warming.

Um....what?

 

[daveman]

Daveman -

OK. So what has anything you posted got to do with this evil global socialist plot?

All I see is one guy suggesting wealthier countries might give some aid to Africa to help protect those countries from floods or drought.

Like all leftists, you see what you want to see. And that rarely bears any resemblance to reality.

Haven't countries been giving aid for one reason or another for seveal hundred years without it being evil?

Voluntarily, yes.

Can you see the difference?

I bet you can't.

 

[daveman]

Dave -

You must admit that Rolling Thunder's comments were laugh-out-loud funny....!

Sure, if you like the pointless, mindless, childish screeching of baseless insults.

And I guess you do.

 

[Saigon]

Daveman -

Again, I am not a "leftist", and I think you are on fairly thin ice to say I see what I want to see when you are the one claiming there is a massive international conspiracy to create global socialist government.

Where is the evidence of this conspiracy?

Surely it must involve thousands upon thousands of people, not one of whom has ever breathed a word.

You must realiss yourself this makes no more sense that faking the Holocaust or the CIA bringing down the Twin Towers.

One guy talking about aid payments to Africa and doesn't add up much.

 

[daveman]

Daveman -

Again, I am not a "leftist", and I think you are on fairly thin ice to say I see what I want to see when you are the one claiming there is a massive international conspiracy to create global socialist government.

Where is the evidence of this conspiracy?

One guy talking about aid payments to Africa and doesn't add up much.

The UN is working to the goal of world socialism. I just showed you that.

You don't see it because you don't want to -- or you agree with it and see nothing wrong with it.

Which is it? Because to deny it's their goal is to deny reality.

 

[Saigon]

The UN is working to the goal of world socialism. I just showed you that.

Where did you show me that? Give me the post # and I'll check it out.

Just out of curiosity, can you explain why the 150 countries in the UN which are NOT socialist are backing this plan?

 

[Katzndogz]

Millions of dollars depend on global warming. If they aren't socialist, these countries still have their hand out to the UN for money to combat climate change and pay them to not industrialize. People have asked for penalties imposed on scientists who deny global warming. Al Gore has an entire company that trades carbon credits, something that does not exist. This is big money, and world wide money. Dissenters are destroyed, not with credible scientific arguments, but with a kind of pogrom of environmental McCarthyism.

The last time I saw this kind of manufactured hysteria it was ALAR. ALAR was a poison and apples would kill you. It was a total hoax. There was a fake organization with an official sounding name that set out to create a massive hoax and it worked for awhile. But then, it did not involve the kind of money global warming does.


Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it
http://www.sustainableoregon.com/Climate-FollowTheMoney.PDF
‘New McCarthyism’ Described by Climate Scientist Michael Mann - ABC News

Alar: The Great Apple Scare | Heartlander Magazine

 

[Saigon]

Katz -

these countries still have their hand out to the UN for money to combat climate change and pay them to not industrialize

Um...what?

Why would the UN pay a country not to industrialize? Where are these plans? Any links?

Do you ever post anything that makes a lick of sense?